Reasons to open an investigation into the internal terrorist bombing of 9/11

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  • Rochard
    Jägermeister Test Pilot
    • Dec 2001
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    #151
    Originally posted by kandah
    To weaken steel you need to expose it to fire for long periods of time. Jet fuel does not burn at degrees high enough to even begin to melt steel. The fires where red, with black smoke which means they where lacking oxygen which in turn means they where even cooler than regular fires.

    There are examples of building who burned for 20 hours without failing. The fire melt / weaken steel does not make sense, it just doesnt if you look at it with an open mind.

    Check this video of the windsor tower in madrid which burned for more than 20 hours, engulfed in flames.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2_srNT8-Ow

    And another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th2bn...elated&search=

    The impact of the planes did little damage, tests have shown that the impact did not make more damage than high velocity winds which the towers where build to withstand, not to mention they where built to withstand multiple airplane impact.
    Fire alone did not bring down either WTC. The towers were hit by huge airplanes and there we multiple reasons the towers came down.

    You can't compare this to any other building that has ever caught fire because these buildings weren't slamed by huge airplanes and didn't have huge gaps open up in their side. Jesus Christ, I'm still stunned that the moment the planes hit the towers didn't fall done.

    It's been said that the WTC towers were built to withstand the impact of a airplane. Well, I'm sure they tested that a lot by building huge towers in the desert and slamming passenger airplanes into them. What I'm saying is they build them to withstand the impact of an airplane, but it was never tested in real life.

    Only once before has an airplane hit a building in a similar way. It was during WWII when a US bombed crashed into the Empire State building. The Empire State Building didn't fall. However, the differences are stagging - the plane was much smaller, the fuel was of a much lower grade, and the building itself was much more concrete than it was steel.

    The impact of the planes slamming into the towers, the resulting structural damage, and the fire combined to bring those buildings down.
    Herschel Savage
    Brooklyn, NY

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    • Phoenix
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      • Nov 2002
      • 35475

      #152
      damn it..lol
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      • stickyfingerz
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        • Oct 2005
        • 24984

        #153

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        • Phoenix
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          • Nov 2002
          • 35475

          #154
          Originally posted by stickyfingerz
          wow....nice input stickey

          we are all basking in the glow of your obvious superior intelligence
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          • Dirty F
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jul 2001
            • 59204

            #155
            Originally posted by Phoenix
            the planes the planes..lol

            give ma break..the planes smashed into a steel lattice

            they did fuck all to the over all integrity of the building
            You are fucking insane! As in really. Fucking amazing.

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            • Phoenix
              BACON BACON BACON
              • Nov 2002
              • 35475

              #156
              Originally posted by Dirty Franck
              You are fucking insane! As in really. Fucking amazing.
              i particularly enjoyed your example of a piece of shit chinese warehouse in china shaking to pieces...and comparing that to the wtc towers


              shows me you really got it all together
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              • Dirty F
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jul 2001
                • 59204

                #157
                Originally posted by Phoenix
                i particularly enjoyed your example of a piece of shit chinese warehouse in china shaking to pieces...and comparing that to the wtc towers


                shows me you really got it all together
                Stfu wacko, go seek professional help. Youre delusional.

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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204

                  #158
                  Like someone else said about you Phoenix, why the hell would anybody do business with you. Doing business with mentally unstable people is pretty damn stupid.

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                  • Dirty Dane
                    Sick Fuck
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 9491

                    #159
                    Originally posted by kandah
                    Care to back that smiley with some facts? I can give you some right now, the impact of the plane was as about as strong as constant hurricane winds. The towers where built to withstand it and more.
                    Dude, how can you compare winds, with a Boeing 767 - in high speed - filled up with jet fuel - penetrating a building and blowing up inside?

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                    • Dirty Dane
                      Sick Fuck
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 9491

                      #160
                      Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                      did that building that burned for 20 hours have a plane at high speeds fly into first? But that is just a little detail.
                      Not to mention, the high energy from the explosion ripped of the fire isolation in WTC.

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                      • Dirty F
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 59204

                        #161
                        Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                        Dude, how can you compare winds, with a Boeing 767 - in high speed - filled up with jet fuel - penetrating a building and blowing up inside?


                        Because he has the same logic as Phoenix. A total delusional one.

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                        • Dirty F
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2001
                          • 59204

                          #162
                          People are comparing wind to plane crashes...man, these threads always seperate the imbeciles from the normal people.

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                          • Tempest
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • May 2004
                            • 10217

                            #163
                            Originally posted by Rochard
                            This is a most interesting post.

                            It's not secret that Bush enjoys the lowest popularity rating of any recent president. Everyone is complaining about how we are still in Iraq. I don't think Bush ever intended in leaving Iraq - and maybe he's smarter than all of us think.

                            In the 1980s when Iraq invaded Iran, the ships in the Persian Gulf carrying our oil came under attack by Iran. The US military had to step in to "protect shipping in the Gulf". (It's also a little known fact that the US pretty much dstroyed Iran's navy in less than a week.)

                            Twenty years from now when the oil starts running out, when it becomes harder to find and more expensive to pull out of the ground, we could see WWIII. We'll be fighting all of the other countries who need the same oil we do. China will be involved, and make no mistake they are in fact a world power (and huge!). Japan too will be involved; They've already gone to war with us over oil in WWII.

                            The Middle East will be the battlefront.

                            Hopefully by then we'll still have a huge presence in the Middle East. And only then will we look at President Bush and his crowd in a different light.
                            Yes it is... and if you read the document "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" by the think tank "Project for the New American Century" (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) it begins to become clear why Bush went into Iraq. You'll recognise many of the names that were involved.

                            Now whether or not they actually masterminded 911, I don't know. But it sure was a gift from god for their agenda. i.e. they want permanent bases in the middle east so they can shift carriers into the pacific, i.e. China/Korea etc.

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                            • Phoenix
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                              • Nov 2002
                              • 35475

                              #164
                              Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                              Like someone else said about you Phoenix, why the hell would anybody do business with you. Doing business with mentally unstable people is pretty damn stupid.
                              what do you know about anything?
                              you are just a whiny bitch who comes into my biweekly thread and bats his head against the wall....i throughly enjoy it.

                              anyone taking business advice from you needs to examine themselves don't you think BATTUS?
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                              • baddog
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Apr 2001
                                • 107089

                                #165
                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                man i really want to believe we landed on the moon

                                cause we suck if we didnt
                                Then you suck as Canada has never been there.

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                                • BusterBunny
                                  perverted justice decoy
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 19291

                                  #166
                                  kinda late for a sig spot so i will just call it an epenis extension
                                  my sig caught gonoherpasyphilaids and died

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                                  • Phoenix
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                                    • Nov 2002
                                    • 35475

                                    #167
                                    Originally posted by BusterBunny
                                    kinda late for a sig spot so i will just call it an epenis extension
                                    come back in two weeks

                                    ill do one on why aliens were behind 9/11

                                    franck will probably shit his pants typing so hard on his keyboard..lol
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                                    • The Duck
                                      Adult Content Provider
                                      • May 2005
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                                      #168
                                      Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                                      People are comparing wind to plane crashes...man, these threads always seperate the imbeciles from the normal people.
                                      You are basing all your conclusions on visual input which makes you very suggestible to mind control and brainwashing, discussing with you is like trying to explain platos allegory of the cave to a 5-year old, impossible.
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                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 11913

                                        #169
                                        Originally posted by kandah
                                        You are basing all your conclusions on visual input which makes you very suggestible to mind control and brainwashing, discussing with you is like trying to explain platos allegory of the cave to a 5-year old, impossible.
                                        "visual input" as in you making the uber retarded argument that the fires weren't hot because there was so much black smoke.. which assumes that multiple offices full of plastic on fire, wouldn't produce black smoke?

                                        you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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                                        • The Duck
                                          Adult Content Provider
                                          • May 2005
                                          • 18243

                                          #170
                                          Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                          "visual input" as in you making the uber retarded argument that the fires weren't hot because there was so much black smoke.. which assumes that multiple offices full of plastic on fire, wouldn't produce black smoke?

                                          you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
                                          I base my arguments on the laws of physics.
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                                          • Phoenix
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                                            • Nov 2002
                                            • 35475

                                            #171
                                            Originally posted by kandah
                                            I base my arguments on the laws of physics.
                                            most here dont get logic..nor do the understand physics..even if they claim to have a degree in it

                                            i bet they got 60's and freaked out before every test..their only saving grace repetition in the lectures to exams...if any real challenge had been put in front of them..or a question they hadnt seen before..they would have been fucked

                                            as such they gobble up anything they see put on the news as they are self assured that the people there know best..and would never deceive them..lol
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                                            • Phoenix
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                                              • Nov 2002
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                                              #172
                                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                              "visual input" as in you making the uber retarded argument that the fires weren't hot because there was so much black smoke.. which assumes that multiple offices full of plastic on fire, wouldn't produce black smoke?

                                              you're not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
                                              the fire wasnt hot enough because it was going on in the middle of a heat sink
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                                              • baddog
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Apr 2001
                                                • 107089

                                                #173
                                                Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                Dude, how can you compare winds, with a Boeing 767 - in high speed - filled up with jet fuel - penetrating a building and blowing up inside?
                                                I hear it gets very windy in Sweden.

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                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 11913

                                                  #174
                                                  Originally posted by kandah
                                                  I base my arguments on the laws of physics.
                                                  what does physics have to do with "there was a lot of black smoke which means the fire was starved for oxygen and not hot enough..." ?

                                                  you base your arguments on delusional reasoning. you WANT to believe, so you look for affirmation, not answers.

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                                                  • Pleasurepays
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                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 11913

                                                    #175
                                                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                    the fire wasnt hot enough because it was going on in the middle of a heat sink
                                                    huh? a commercial airliner fully loaded with fuel flies into a building and explodes and you are going to argue that the building itself acted like a radiator to dissapate the heat to the point that it could have no effect whatsoever on the integrity of the steel?

                                                    how the fuck do you know the temperatures? did you sneak up the stairs with your little thermometer to do some test readings?

                                                    if you are not actually retarded, you deserve an award for this act.



                                                    i am not sure how you guys are "arguing" using physics when you haven't presented any arguments with the math to support it.

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                                                    • The Duck
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                                                      • May 2005
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                                                      #176
                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                      huh? a commercial airliner fully loaded with fuel flies into a building and explodes and you are going to argue that the building itself acted like a radiator to dissapate the heat to the point that it could have no effect whatsoever on the integrity of the steel?

                                                      how the fuck do you know the temperatures? did you sneak up the stairs with your little thermometer to do some test readings?

                                                      if you are not actually retarded, you deserve an award for this act.



                                                      i am not sure how you guys are "arguing" using physics when you haven't presented any arguments with the math to support it.
                                                      Simple, steel melt at a certain degree. Burning jet fuel and burning building interior cannot melt steel nor can it weaken it enough to cause collapse. I dont see how you can argue these facts.

                                                      The simple facts of temperatures:

                                                      1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
                                                      ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
                                                      ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

                                                      Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
                                                      Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

                                                      The fires in the towers were diffuse, well below 800ºC. Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved, particularly in the South Tower.

                                                      Again, visual input does not cut it, you need to investigate the science behind it.
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                                                      • Minte
                                                        Babemeister
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 7081

                                                        #177
                                                        Originally posted by kandah
                                                        Simple, steel melt at a certain degree. Burning jet fuel and burning building interior cannot melt steel nor can it weaken it enough to cause collapse. I dont see how you can argue these facts.

                                                        The simple facts of temperatures:

                                                        1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
                                                        ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
                                                        ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

                                                        Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
                                                        Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

                                                        The fires in the towers were diffuse, well below 800ºC. Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved, particularly in the South Tower.

                                                        Again, visual input does not cut it, you need to investigate the science behind it.
                                                        You speak of steel melting as if were liquid as in making castings. If you are actually interested in the characteristics of steel at various temps..you need to look further. Annealing temps of 900 degrees F reduce tensile strength of steel up to 90%.

                                                        If you don't feel like actually reading about some basic ME subjects..there is a simple experiment you can do at home to actually see what happens with 1020 carbon steel. Take a stretched out piece of coat hanger and an unopened can of soda/beer and a candle. open the popup of the full can enough to slip the coat hanger through it. Hold the coat hanger that's now holding the can over the lit candle.

                                                        You will see very quickly how fast steel loses its strength when exposed to flame.
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                                                        • Pleasurepays
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                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 11913

                                                          #178
                                                          Originally posted by kandah
                                                          Simple, steel melt at a certain degree. Burning jet fuel and burning building interior cannot melt steel nor can it weaken it enough to cause collapse. I dont see how you can argue these facts.

                                                          The simple facts of temperatures:

                                                          1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
                                                          ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
                                                          ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

                                                          Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
                                                          Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

                                                          The fires in the towers were diffuse, well below 800ºC. Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved, particularly in the South Tower.

                                                          Again, visual input does not cut it, you need to investigate the science behind it.
                                                          since you don't seem to have a brain, much less an original thought... i feel that in all fairness, i should at caution you against cutting and pasting arguments from sites that are debunking the very arguments you seem to think you are making.

                                                          http://911review.com/coverup/fantasy/melting.html

                                                          Last edited by Pleasurepays; 06-03-2007, 08:33 PM.

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                                                          • Phoenix
                                                            BACON BACON BACON
                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 35475

                                                            #179
                                                            the tread lives on..lol

                                                            can we let th is one die please..i have plans of starting another

                                                            maybe an alien sighting thread this week

                                                            thanks
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                                                            • Pleasurepays
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                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                              • 11913

                                                              #180
                                                              Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                              the tread lives on..lol

                                                              can we let th is one die please..i have plans of starting another

                                                              maybe an alien sighting thread this week

                                                              thanks
                                                              "fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son"

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                                                              • Rochard
                                                                Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 75761

                                                                #181
                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                Im sorry i guess you were never informed.....IT IS ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO LEAVE IRAQ...if you leave too early..you have declared WAR ON THE WORLD.

                                                                I guess that was never explained to everyone..or wait it was..just not anywhere any american citizens would find it

                                                                you are in there illegally....you cant just leave because your soldiers are dying....its almost like you guys have no clue what is really going on in your country at all...but you seem to think you guys know everything..and are sure of it
                                                                .....not singling you Rochard...but your post was a sure sign you dont know the real issues about why you guys are there.
                                                                I'm pretty confident I know exactly why we are there. I study history constantly; I just finished yet another book about JFK and my next book will be "Debunking 9/11 debunking". The period of most interest to me is World War II, and more recently the period directly after which led to the cold war.

                                                                I'm also a former US Marine - who has buddies serving in Iraq.

                                                                The reasons we are in Iraq is many - too many to discuss here.
                                                                Herschel Savage
                                                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                • Rochard
                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                  • 75761

                                                                  #182
                                                                  Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                  Yes it is... and if you read the document "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" by the think tank "Project for the New American Century" (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) it begins to become clear why Bush went into Iraq. You'll recognise many of the names that were involved.

                                                                  Now whether or not they actually masterminded 911, I don't know. But it sure was a gift from god for their agenda. i.e. they want permanent bases in the middle east so they can shift carriers into the pacific, i.e. China/Korea etc.
                                                                  I don't believe Bush or any of his buddies were "happy" about 9/11, but it was a sort of "gift" - and set the agenda for the next five years.

                                                                  Everyone is quick to point fingers at the US Government..... How come no one is looking at Isreal? If this wasn't the terrorists who did this, they would be the first ones to look at.
                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                  • baddog
                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                    • 107089

                                                                    #183
                                                                    Originally posted by kandah
                                                                    Simple, steel melt at a certain degree. Burning jet fuel and burning building interior cannot melt steel nor can it weaken it enough to cause collapse. I dont see how you can argue these facts.

                                                                    The simple facts of temperatures:

                                                                    1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
                                                                    ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
                                                                    ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

                                                                    Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
                                                                    Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

                                                                    The fires in the towers were diffuse, well below 800ºC. Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved, particularly in the South Tower.

                                                                    Again, visual input does not cut it, you need to investigate the science behind it.
                                                                    Steel does not need to "melt" to lose its strength dumbass.

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                                                                    • Rochard
                                                                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                      • 75761

                                                                      #184
                                                                      Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                      the fire wasnt hot enough because it was going on in the middle of a heat sink
                                                                      A heat sink?

                                                                      Have you ever been to the WTC before it fell? Of course not.

                                                                      The building was air tight. You can't open up the windows, and there's only a handful of doors on the very top. It wasn't a heat sink, but instead more like an airtight oven.
                                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                      • stickyfingerz
                                                                        Doin fine
                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                        • 24984

                                                                        #185
                                                                        These threads REALLY crack me up once the wackjobs start talking about steel having to melt to lose strength... lol

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                                                                        • Rochard
                                                                          Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                          • 75761

                                                                          #186
                                                                          No one seems to belive the government story about how Kennedy died.... yet sixty years later we still don't know "the truth".
                                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                          • Dirty Dane
                                                                            Sick Fuck
                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                            • 9491

                                                                            #187
                                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                            No one seems to belive the government story about how Kennedy died.... yet sixty years later we still don't know "the truth".
                                                                            How he died? Or who did it?

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                                                                            • dalt
                                                                              Registered User
                                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                                              • 48

                                                                              #188
                                                                              Strange Dude

                                                                              Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                              man i really want to believe we landed on the moon

                                                                              cause we suck if we didnt

                                                                              but facts point to a faked moon landing...they didnt even have suits or a spacecraft built back then that could withstand the radiation once they got past the van allen belt....not too mention the sun was pumping out extra high doses that month



                                                                              oswald was defintiely a patsy..he probably took a couple shots though...but he was one of many
                                                                              Mate, your credibility just got shot to pieces with this one. I suppose the next thread is when Jesus is returning to meet George Bush.

                                                                              Wow, get a life.

                                                                              As we say in Oz, it can only happen in the US.

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