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  • pristine
    So Fucking Banned
    • Dec 2010
    • 1176

    #51
    knew there was a reason I never signed up for paxum, do you guys still trust your money there?

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    • ContentPimp
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2008
      • 3184

      #52
      where are all the paxum reps?!
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      • DamianJ
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jul 2006
        • 15808

        #53
        Originally posted by tinafaye
        where are all the paxum reps?!
        They are all in motion. Do not worry about your funds.

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        • ContentPimp
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2008
          • 3184

          #54
          its too early to pull a mallick isnt it?
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          • CaptainHowdy
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Dec 2004
            • 94023

            #55
            I just hope that my pending payment for the Paxum debit card goes away, hi hi hi...

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            • Puremeds-J
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2008
              • 939

              #56
              502 Bad Gateway

              nginx/0.8.54

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              • MrCain
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2006
                • 3332

                #57
                We got mallicked? Again?
                Sigmund

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                • RuthB
                  Let's Get Paxumized!
                  • May 2005
                  • 7248

                  #58
                  We are experiencing an ongoing massive DDOS attack and we are using all available resources to fix the situation.

                  We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by this outage and we ask for your continued patience while we get on top of the problem and implement measures to prevent this from happening again in the future.

                  In the meantime, if you need to make transfers from your Paxum account please get in touch with us directly via email to [email protected] so we can do our best to help you accomplish your payment goals.

                  For best results please make sure to send any email to us FROM the email address you used to signup with Paxum. Thanks.
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                  • willwank
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 628

                    #59
                    Originally posted by MrCain
                    We got mallicked? Again?
                    Dude, chill. Someone payed a good sum of money (or got denied service) to hit them. Stop spreading panic when this is simply an old fashioned ddos attack. Not the first one this has happened too, and not gonna be the last one...

                    The only issue here is how professional will they be in tackling this and how fast can they get up countermeasures.
                    Last edited by willwank; 02-24-2011, 06:45 AM.
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                    • polosas
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2690

                      #60
                      Originally posted by willwank
                      Dude, chill. Someone payed a good sum of money (or got denied service) to hit them. Stop spreading panic when this is simply an old fashioned ddos attack. Not the first one this has happened too, and not gonna be the last one...

                      The only issue here is how professional will they be in tackling this and how fast can they get up countermeasures.
                      i would say slow :D my server techs fixes DDOS attacks and my sites just get's slow, but no downtime, and now i have protection if that shit and running perfectly.


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                      • Chosen
                        • Aug 2001
                        • 63151

                        #61
                        Paxum works for me now.

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                        • iv@n
                          Confirmed User
                          • Dec 2001
                          • 641

                          #62
                          up here as well

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                          • willwank
                            Confirmed User
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 628

                            #63
                            Yep, works fine for me too.
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                            • seeandsee
                              Check SIG!
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 50945

                              #64
                              working fine now here
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                              • Talia_Payoneer
                                Confirmed User
                                • Sep 2010
                                • 337

                                #65
                                Originally posted by pristine
                                knew there was a reason I never signed up for paxum, do you guys still trust your money there?
                                Are you with Payoneer? If you are interested, please contact me at [email protected] Thanks!
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                                • willwank
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2006
                                  • 628

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by pristine
                                  knew there was a reason I never signed up for paxum, do you guys still trust your money there?
                                  wait, Dec 2010, more posts than me, fuck off.
                                  Better jerk of to one of my sites "mr i got no job"
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                                  • iv@n
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 641

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by PayoneerTeam
                                    Are you with Payoneer? If you are interested, please contact me at [email protected] Thanks!
                                    you are the same Pearl from epassporte team?

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                                    • CyberHustler
                                      Masterbaiter
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 28751

                                      #68
                                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                      • willwank
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Sep 2006
                                        • 628

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by PayoneerTeam
                                        Are you with Payoneer? If you are interested, please contact me at [email protected] Thanks!
                                        Classy trolling from the most cumbersome, questionable and expensive one of them all. Give my best to Yuval Tal.
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                                        • seeandsee
                                          Check SIG!
                                          • Mar 2006
                                          • 50945

                                          #70
                                          this thread got some super cool trolling moments
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                                          • nikki99
                                            Supermodel
                                            • Nov 2004
                                            • 23072

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by HarryMuff
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                                            • DWB
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 31779

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by PayoneerTeam
                                              Are you with Payoneer? If you are interested, please contact me at [email protected] Thanks!

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                                              • Kimmykim
                                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 16015

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by PayoneerTeam
                                                Are you with Payoneer? If you are interested, please contact me at [email protected] Thanks!
                                                Best not to spam your product in someone else's troubles thread, fyi --

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                                                • Denny
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                  • 17401

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                  same way mastercard and visa got flooded and shutdown

                                                  http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/master...tag=rbxccnbzd1

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                                                  • Talia_Payoneer
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Sep 2010
                                                    • 337

                                                    #75
                                                    Hey Kimmy Kim, nah now worries. We have cookies too and a great product. =)
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                                                    Director of Community at Payoneer
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                                                    • RuthB
                                                      Let's Get Paxumized!
                                                      • May 2005
                                                      • 7248

                                                      #76
                                                      We would like to extend our appreciation to all our valued customers. We sincerely thank you for your patience and understanding while we grappled with this issue and got our website back online.

                                                      It is terrible that we were attacked in this way and we are investigating further in order to hopefully identify and prosecute those involved. This has been a learning process and we have now implemented some changes to our servers to help prevent this from happening again in the future.

                                                      Paxum is proud to provide continued good service, an excellent fee structure and ultimately, easy and secure access to your funds anywhere in the world.

                                                      We value your business very much and we thank you for choosing Paxum for your ewallet needs.
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                                                      • Klen
                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                        • 32234

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by PayoneerTeam
                                                        Hey Kimmy Kim, nah now worries. We have cookies too and a great product. =)
                                                        I wont use payoneer anymore after your posts.

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                                                        • Phillipmcd1
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2010
                                                          • 665

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by RuthB

                                                          It is terrible that we were attacked in this way and we are investigating further in order to hopefully identify and prosecute those involved.
                                                          Good to hear

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                                                          • chaze
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 9774

                                                            #79
                                                            Ouch! Not redundant
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                                                            • pimpsalot
                                                              Registered User
                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                              • 79

                                                              #80
                                                              Curious why you are so harsh on Payoneer?

                                                              Originally posted by willwank
                                                              Classy trolling from the most cumbersome, questionable and expensive one of them all. Give my best to Yuval Tal.
                                                              What gives? I read that they replaced their CEO Yuval Tal with a guy from Visa or Mastercard. I see they have all the major programs using their services including GammaCash, Live Jazmin, HustlerCash, MyFreeCams.com, IMLive, StreamMates, VSMedia etc.

                                                              After reviewing their pricing and comparing them to all of the other offerings, we actually found their pricing to be almost identical. It's a little confusing but we made a big spreadsheet and did a very granular comparison.

                                                              We didn't find anything questionable about Payoneer. In fact, we found them to be the most transparent, accessible and friendly org out of all the payout solutions. They all seem to be nice people but the Payoneer people seemed to really know their space. Furthermore they own part of the bank where the fund are secured. That increased our confidence in them.

                                                              Very curious what other feedback the board has on this company. So far we have not had any issues but we are obviously well aware of the inherent risk of banking offshore which is consistent with all of the payout solutions as best we can tell.

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                                                              • {Psycho}
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Oct 2010
                                                                • 612

                                                                #81
                                                                Paxum is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than payonner and probably CashX

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                                                                • willwank
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                  • 628

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                  What gives? I read that they replaced their CEO Yuval Tal with a guy from Visa or Mastercard.
                                                                  Smart move if correct.

                                                                  Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                  I see they have all the major programs using their services including GammaCash, Live Jazmin, HustlerCash, MyFreeCams.com, IMLive, StreamMates, VSMedia etc.
                                                                  Note how much cams there are in that bunch ;) Except for that, don't care, never made a dime with any of these programs.

                                                                  Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                  It's a little confusing but we made a big spreadsheet and did a very granular comparison.
                                                                  Then show us this granular comparison that shows identical cost to other major competitors for an average affiliate spread out over a year. Or better, start your own thread where you post it.

                                                                  Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                  We didn't find anything questionable about Payoneer.
                                                                  Good stuff, you are obviously ok with what you found. Many are not and question their setup and heritage. Hence questionable. But not for all including you.

                                                                  Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                  Furthermore they own part of the bank where the fund are secured.
                                                                  Cut me a slice of that, I mean it.
                                                                  Someone else in the the very recent past had a similar setup! Search is your friend

                                                                  Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                  Very curious what other feedback the board has on this company.
                                                                  Don't know how much you have read GFY re Payoneer and their services and support. Feel free to search. But by all means, I am sure they work and I am sure you can find happy customers. Just seemed like a big cash grab when they introduced themselves to the adult side of things. Compared to EMC2, Paxum, CashX and a cpl of others they came across as a poor alternative for affiliates. If Payoneer didn't have payouts to a large number of ppl in cam circles no one would ever mention them. If you are not a 100 to 500 bucks/month affiliate with one or more of the programs you mentioned above there is really no need for anyone to signup with Payoneer imho.

                                                                  Finally, if you or Perl want to promote Payoneer it would be much better to stay out of threads where competitors problems are the topic. Don't care if Perl's cookies are to die for, still bad form
                                                                  Last edited by willwank; 02-25-2011, 03:01 PM.
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                                                                  • pimpsalot
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                    • 79

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by willwank
                                                                    Smart move if correct.



                                                                    Note how much cams there are in that bunch ;) Except for that, don't care, never made a dime with any of these programs.



                                                                    Then show us this granular comparison that shows identical cost to other major competitors for an average affiliate spread out over a year. Or better, start your own thread where you post it.



                                                                    Good stuff, you are obviously ok with what you found. Many are not and question their setup and heritage. Hence questionable. But not for all including you.



                                                                    Cut me a slice of that, I mean it.
                                                                    Someone else in the the very recent past had a similar setup! Search is your friend



                                                                    Don't know how much you have read GFY re Payoneer and their services and support. Feel free to search. But by all means, I am sure they work and I am sure you can find happy customers. Just seemed like a big cash grab when they introduced themselves to the adult side of things. Compared to EMC2, Paxum, CashX and a cpl of others they came across as a poor alternative for affiliates. If Payoneer didn't have payouts to a large number of ppl in cam circles no one would ever mention them. If you are not a 100 to 500 bucks/month affiliate with one or more of the programs you mentioned above there is really no need for anyone to signup with Payoneer imho.

                                                                    Finally, if you or Perl want to promote Payoneer it would be much better to stay out of threads where competitors problems are the topic. Don't care if Perl's cookies are to die for, still bad form

                                                                    1. I don't think I am going to do your homework for you. Smart businesses will do the analysis. If you want to buy my analysis I am happy to sell it to you.

                                                                    2. When you say "Many are not and question their setup and heritage" can you provide more details here. What heritage sorry? They are a VC Backed company with offices in NYC and Tel Aviv. Their setup is identical to all the other payout solutions...card backed into an offshore bank.

                                                                    3. This isn't ePassporte where one of the owners of the company owned part of the bank. Payoneer is a _real_company with investors, a board, officers, offices, charters and more than enough documentation to show they are a legitimate business operating in a variety of industries including the medical industry, summer camps, artists, MLM and adult. It's not a one trick Pony. Nobody at Payoneer owns part of the bank. The company itself owns part of the bank... BIG DIFFERENCE.

                                                                    4. I don't think anyone in this industry would consider a $100 to $500 a month affiliate to be valueless nor would they let them tell them how to run their business. Payoneer has admitted repeatedly that they are working to improve their service offering and their support. They have moved forward with supporting NATS and MPA3, have sponsored a variety of events for the adult community including InterNEXT and XBiz and they have generally started the process of addressing this marketplace properly. I think we all can agree that at first they were just drug into the space by all of ePassporte's former customers and they weren't necessarily prepared but they have been responsive and they are reviewing what they do to improve everyone's experience.

                                                                    5. I am going to take a firm stance here and respond with "PLEASE." There's no rule here at GFY that prevents anyone from posting on anyone else's threads. You and anyone else that's trying to intimidate Payoneer by telling them to beat it off this thread is blowing hot air. Go read Paxum's posts on _EVERY_ Payoneer thread on this board. Everytime someone has said something bad about Payoneer Chris or Ruth or someone from Paxum has jumped in and said something spammish about Paxum. Let's not try to bend the rules for our own benefit. Payoneer is a valuable player in this space and they deserve the same level of respect and support and love that all of the companies here do.

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                                                                    • willwank
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                                      • 628

                                                                      #84
                                                                      Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                      1. I don't think I am going to do your homework for you. Smart businesses will do the analysis. If you want to buy my analysis I am happy to sell it to you.
                                                                      Hehe, liked that one.

                                                                      Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                      2. When you say "Many are not and question their setup and heritage" can you provide more details here. What heritage sorry? They are a VC Backed company with offices in NYC and Tel Aviv. Their setup is identical to all the other payout solutions...card backed into an offshore bank.
                                                                      Man, just do a little research on the Israeli side. Ditto, won't do it for you. If you are fine you are fine. Just acknowledge that many are not.

                                                                      Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                      3. This isn't ePassporte where one of the owners of the company owned part of the bank. Payoneer is a _real_company with investors, a board, officers, offices, charters and more than enough documentation to show they are a legitimate business operating in a variety of industries including the medical industry, summer camps, artists, MLM and adult. It's not a one trick Pony. Nobody at Payoneer owns part of the bank. The company itself owns part of the bank... BIG DIFFERENCE.
                                                                      Never said it wasn't legit. Still, cut me a slice of that, I mean it.
                                                                      What Mr Mallick owned part of the bank? News to me. Thought it was completely diff but never mind... what do I know.

                                                                      Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                      You and anyone else that's trying to intimidate Payoneer
                                                                      Now I really feel bad.

                                                                      Dude, if I feel it is bad form I feel it is bad form. If you, Perl or Payoneer feel intimidated is of no concern to me. I'm right to my opinion so suck it up
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                                                                      • Talia_Payoneer
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Sep 2010
                                                                        • 337

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Not intimidated. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm all for that. =)
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                                                                        • pimpsalot
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                          • 79

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by willwank
                                                                          Hehe, liked that one.



                                                                          Man, just do a little research on the Israeli side. Ditto, won't do it for you. If you are fine you are fine. Just acknowledge that many are not.


                                                                          Wait so you are saying because Payoneer was started in Israel that it's an issue for you? Why don't you just cut the word games out and lay out what you are saying here?


                                                                          Never said it wasn't legit. Still, cut me a slice of that, I mean it.
                                                                          What Mr Mallick owned part of the bank? News to me. Thought it was completely diff but never mind... what do I know.



                                                                          Now I really feel bad.

                                                                          Dude, if I feel it is bad form I feel it is bad form. If you, Perl or Payoneer feel intimidated is of no concern to me. I'm right to my opinion so suck it up

                                                                          1. Wait so you are saying because Payoneer was started in Israel that it's an issue for you? Why don't you just cut the word games out and lay out what you are saying here?

                                                                          2. I never said anything of the sort. Does the name Gregory ring a bell?

                                                                          3. Again, that's just your issue and only your issue. As I said before, Paxum felt it was proper to post on EVERY THREAD ON GFY where Payoneer was the topic and so yeah it's proper and warranted and, according to the rules here at GFY. There's no reason why they shouldn't. Nothing to suck up. They are just exercising their rights to post like everyone else

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                                                                          • Chris
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 27880

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                            3. Again, that's just your issue and only your issue. As I said before, Paxum felt it was proper to post on EVERY THREAD ON GFY where Payoneer was the topic and so yeah it's proper and warranted and, according to the rules here at GFY. There's no reason why they shouldn't. Nothing to suck up. They are just exercising their rights to post like everyone else
                                                                            Edit: I stand corrected -

                                                                            I have nothing against payoneer - We meet them in Vegas :-)
                                                                            Last edited by Chris; 02-25-2011, 04:10 PM.
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                                                                            • willwank
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Sep 2006
                                                                              • 628

                                                                              #88
                                                                              Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                              Wait so you are saying because Payoneer was started in Israel that it's an issue for you?
                                                                              No. Last time I went back to Norway I had some delicious Israeli potatoes, nom nom nom. Beats potatoes from Cyprus every time. Does that answer your question? If not take your insinuation and stick it where the sun don't shine. Do your homework.

                                                                              Originally posted by pimpsalot
                                                                              They are just exercising their rights to post like everyone else[/I]
                                                                              And I am exercising my right to say that in my book it is bad form. No need to be a cry baby about it, unless you want to intimidate others that is.
                                                                              Last edited by willwank; 02-25-2011, 04:42 PM.
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                                                                              • LRS
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jan 2011
                                                                                • 324

                                                                                #89
                                                                                it always take like 10 minutes for me to transfer cash to the mastercard.. if this can be fixed it would rock..
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                                                                                • Chris
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 27880

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by LRS
                                                                                  it always take like 10 minutes for me to transfer cash to the mastercard.. if this can be fixed it would rock..
                                                                                  Are you have the delay after you login and click the Transfer Funds button or is it after you get to that page and input the amount you want to transfer to your card?


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                                                                                  • pimpsalot
                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                                                    • 79

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by willwank
                                                                                    No. Last time I went back to Norway I had some delicious Israeli potatoes, nom nom nom. Beats potatoes from Cyprus every time. Does that answer your question? If not take your insinuation and stick it where the sun don't shine. Do your homework.



                                                                                    And I am exercising my right to say that in my book it is bad form. No need to be a cry baby about it, unless you want to intimidate others that is.

                                                                                    Man no need to be so irrational and baiting. You said that many question Payoneer because of their "setup and heritage" and I asked you to explain please. You then replied that you eat Israeli potatoes and to "stick my" insinuation where "the sun don't shine".

                                                                                    The thing is I sunbathe nude and when I lay on my stomach the sun shines everywhere.

                                                                                    All you had to do was explain your comment. You don't want to? Fine. I get it.

                                                                                    Nobody's crying about anything except you. The point here being anyone can say anything on a thread and you aren't the standard for form and we are going to just do our thing here.

                                                                                    And to your last point, clearly you are a wordsmith. You tried to intimidate Payoneer, I pointed it out, now you are accusing me of your crimes.

                                                                                    Let's just move on please. Nobody cares about this sidebar anyways.

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                                                                                    • willwank
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                                                      • 628

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by pimpsalot

                                                                                      Let's just move on please. Nobody cares about this sidebar anyways.
                                                                                      So true, why are you bumping it then?

                                                                                      Do your homework on the gallery of persons... You wanted to sell me "your big spreadsheet with a granular comparison" why would I do any homework for you? Put your money where your mouth is or stfu. That's the last from me, you'r welcome
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