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  • FATPad
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2001
    • 6693

    #401
    400!

    *oink*
    <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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    • kenny
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2002
      • 7245

      #402
      At this rate it looks like amputate your head is going to hold the records for most post and longest thread on GFY.
      7

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      • X37375787

        #403
        Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

        I haven't been blessed with one of those jobs yet.... (thankfully!)

        Oh yes you have been blessed before, even more than once ~ and I know you've enjoyed it every single time scatastic !

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        • Siren
          Registered User
          • May 2002
          • 4

          #404
          Hey Guys.
          I was emailed a link to this site today while this thread was still 4 pages. I had to sign up, and wait for my account to be activated. Geez, you are up to 8 pages now...

          I want in this contest.
          Can someone add me to the list. ?
          I was lost for something to write as a signature.

          And then it hit me.

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          • Amputate Your Head
            There can be only one
            • Aug 2001
            • 39075

            #405
            Originally posted by Siren
            I want in this contest.
            Can someone add me to the list. ?
            You've been added.
            SIG TOO BIG

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            • jollyperv
              Confirmed User
              • Nov 2001
              • 3927

              #406
              Sure, why the hell not...count me in

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              • Amputate Your Head
                There can be only one
                • Aug 2001
                • 39075

                #407
                Originally posted by jollyperv
                Sure, why the hell not...count me in
                you're in.
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                • Siren
                  Registered User
                  • May 2002
                  • 4

                  #408
                  OK. I have been reading this thread, and one thing that has me worried.

                  This is supposed to be a week thing:
                  One week one tour.

                  I am willing to bet there are a few that have started this tour today..How will you be sure everyone starts at the same point..let alone on an even playfeild? This is a very good argument for having everyone use the same sets.

                  Post the zip file when the contest commences, and that is the first time anyone sees it.
                  It is real life, and evens the play feild.
                  I was lost for something to write as a signature.

                  And then it hit me.

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                  • Houdini
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 1651

                    #409
                    You can check the time stamp on images. Yes, you could just re-edit everything, but I really don't think anyone is going to do that. Even if someone does start today, it doesn't mean anything. A week is plenty of time. Time isn't the edge here, it's talent. If people want to cheat so be it, you can't stop them, but the whole point of this is just to have some fun and show off some designs. I think most everyone is looking at it that way.

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                    • Amputate Your Head
                      There can be only one
                      • Aug 2001
                      • 39075

                      #410
                      Originally posted by Siren
                      This is supposed to be a week thing:
                      One week one tour.

                      I am willing to bet there are a few that have started this tour today..How will you be sure everyone starts at the same point..let alone on an even playfeild? This is a very good argument for having everyone use the same sets.

                      Post the zip file when the contest commences, and that is the first time anyone sees it.
                      It is real life, and evens the play feild.
                      very good point, and also an excellent solution. But it also makes things more complicated. 2 things that would need to go along with that to make that happen...

                      1. The niches would have to be preset. No question about it. Can be 5 niches to choose from.... 3.... or 1..... whatever. But there would have to be content for however many niches there's gonna be, because you can't do a teen tour with fetish content. Know what I mean?

                      2. This also means that everyone will have to use the same content sets.... (which is why 4 or 5 or 6 different niches to choose from would be nice) and that means we need a content provider to sponsor this thing and provide the sets that are to be used in the tours. Any content providers out there wanna step up to this? If there are multiple content providers that are willing to do this, we could have the 5 or so niches, and have the providers sponsor one niche each. If you choose to do that niche, you use the content assigned to it.

                      if this is something that works for everyone, hey.... I'm flexible.... I'd do it this way too. Let your thoughts on this be known.... and especially the content providers.... because if we don't get them, we can't do it this way. If they're willing, then we need to start choosing the niches.
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                      • Amputate Your Head
                        There can be only one
                        • Aug 2001
                        • 39075

                        #411
                        I'm on the same brainwave with Houdini there.... I actually kind of expected that some people would take advantage of the extra time and get started early..... (actually I encouraged it) but like he said.... it really doesn't matter. A week is plenty of time...
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                        • Amputate Your Head
                          There can be only one
                          • Aug 2001
                          • 39075

                          #412
                          I actually don't like the preset content set idea too much I think..... it severely limits the creativity process by not even being able to choose what you wanna use... let's scrap that idea and stick with the original plan..... too many restrictions and rules are gonna make this un-fun.
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                          • Siren
                            Registered User
                            • May 2002
                            • 4

                            #413
                            ok. I am still in.
                            But I have to warn you, I am going to do my damndest to kick all of your asses. Nothing personal. well, not yet, anyways
                            I was lost for something to write as a signature.

                            And then it hit me.

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                            • FATPad
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 6693

                              #414
                              Originally posted by Siren
                              ok. I am still in.
                              But I have to warn you, I am going to do my damndest to kick all of your asses. Nothing personal. well, not yet, anyways
                              That's good. A competition where everyone was trying to come in second would suck.
                              <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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                              • bhutocracy
                                Not making A Comeback
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 10218

                                #415
                                it's not as if a lack of content is going to stop people from starting...

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                                • Amputate Your Head
                                  There can be only one
                                  • Aug 2001
                                  • 39075

                                  #416
                                  Here is an excellent idea on what to do with the tours after it's over that was just emailed to me:

                                  The top three prize sponsors should receive the top three tours.

                                  Sponsor donating the 1st place prize gets the 1st place tour.
                                  2nd place prize sponsor gets the 2nd place tour.
                                  3rd place prize sponsor gets the 3rd place tour.

                                  this sounds workable to me.... except.... there's gonna be multiple prizes for each place, but only one tour for each place.

                                  needs some refinement..... suggestions?
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                                  • bhutocracy
                                    Not making A Comeback
                                    • Dec 2001
                                    • 10218

                                    #417
                                    and only registered GFY members can vote so people can't tell their mates to do it...

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                                    • FATPad
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 6693

                                      #418
                                      Get a booby prize.

                                      I'll enter and fight for that.
                                      <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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                                      • Amputate Your Head
                                        There can be only one
                                        • Aug 2001
                                        • 39075

                                        #419
                                        Originally posted by FATPad
                                        Get a booby prize.
                                        boobies?
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                                        • Brian
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 450

                                          #420
                                          Originally posted by FATPad


                                          That's good. A competition where everyone was trying to come in second would suck.

                                          lol
                                          ICQ: 89118055


                                          HerbalCommerce.com - Herbal Product Manufacturing/Private labeling - NOT a middleman!
                                          WebmasterCommerce.com - Webmaster Resources
                                          FightResource.com - THE Online Mixed Martial Arts Directory

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                                          • FATPad
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 6693

                                            #421
                                            Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

                                            boobies?
                                            Okay. Works for me.

                                            If I come in last, some chick has to send me pics of her boobies everyday for a month.

                                            The booby prize!
                                            <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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                                            • BadBoyBill4281
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2002
                                              • 616

                                              #422
                                              I MADE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! i can post now that only took a day to approve me but i'm here now so lets talk about the poll system
                                              ICQ#128496425

                                              www.swinginglocal.com

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                                              • Amputate Your Head
                                                There can be only one
                                                • Aug 2001
                                                • 39075

                                                #423
                                                Originally posted by BadBoyBill4281
                                                I MADE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! i can post now that only took a day to approve me but i'm here now so lets talk about the poll system
                                                talk to JPFDude..... he's the nerd..... I mean techie.
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                                                • AdultWebGraphics
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 980

                                                  #424
                                                  Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                  Here is an excellent idea on what to do with the tours after it's over that was just emailed to me:

                                                  The top three prize sponsors should receive the top three tours.

                                                  Sponsor donating the 1st place prize gets the 1st place tour.
                                                  2nd place prize sponsor gets the 2nd place tour.
                                                  3rd place prize sponsor gets the 3rd place tour.

                                                  this sounds workable to me.... except.... there's gonna be multiple prizes for each place, but only one tour for each place.

                                                  needs some refinement..... suggestions?

                                                  If we do the free for all way then for me it will cause a problem because one of my clients is sponsoring me by giving me all the content and the domain name and in return they keep the tour.

                                                  How are we going to handle this if its happens to others?

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                                                  • Amputate Your Head
                                                    There can be only one
                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                    • 39075

                                                    #425
                                                    Originally posted by AdultWebGraphics



                                                    If we do the free for all way then for me it will cause a problem because one of my clients is sponsoring me by giving me all the content and the domain name and in return they keep the tour.

                                                    How are we going to handle this if its happens to others?
                                                    good point..... hadn't considered that.


                                                    hmmmm...... maybe that idea of giving them away isn't gonna work then.
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                                                    • bhutocracy
                                                      Not making A Comeback
                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                      • 10218

                                                      #426
                                                      Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

                                                      good point..... hadn't considered that.


                                                      hmmmm...... maybe that idea of giving them away isn't gonna work then.
                                                      it goes on to the next highest voted that isn't sponsored?

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                                                      • BadBoyBill4281
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2002
                                                        • 616

                                                        #427
                                                        Hey Amp i have been following this thing since before tylo posted the SPAM for aeoln.com which is what started all this and i been tryin to set this poll thing up since the word contest came out of your mouth and even more so when the other dude got the GFYcontest domain i'm just wondering if we are going to do this thing lets have all the designers sign up thru a database (which i'll build and work with the other Techie) that way we have all the ppl who are going to do this thing

                                                        have them pick from 1-6 sets of content (if we get them) and they will have access to that content june 1st no sooner not a good idea to let anyone get a head start some ppl are faster then others but come on 2 weeks head start is way to long and will cause to many probs with timestamps and stuff.

                                                        with that said amp hit me up on ICQ 128496425 same goes for the other techie dude hit me up so we can get this back-end going for this thing and figure out the bugs
                                                        ICQ#128496425

                                                        www.swinginglocal.com

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                                                        • Amputate Your Head
                                                          There can be only one
                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                          • 39075

                                                          #428
                                                          well, it was just a suggestion..... but I can see why there could be problems if a tour is promised to a sponsor beforehand....

                                                          but JPFDude is working on everything and keeping an eye on this thread, so we should know alot more tomorrow sometime..... for the most part, everything is pretty much already worked out..... and what I don't have answers to, he does..... so, don't stress over anything yet..... this will all make more sense soon. And then if there's some sort of problem with something, we've got time to get it all ironed out smooth.
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                                                          • BadBoyBill4281
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2002
                                                            • 616

                                                            #429
                                                            sweet well anywho i'm just wondering if need to use aepolls.com or not if not i'm gonna throw a temp page back up for the site it's part of the AENETWORK just thought we could use the domain cause it's simply and it's for polls and the DB is there so you guys let me know
                                                            ICQ#128496425

                                                            www.swinginglocal.com

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                                                            • Hypo
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                              • 1104

                                                              #430
                                                              - I would prefer a select few judges from the industry rather than everyone being allowed to vote. Firstly it increases the chance of cheating, secondly most people here have almost no experience with the adult biz - they're just newbies making galleries. There's no voting system that cannot be cheated if its open for all - IPs cookies can all be spoofed.

                                                              There was a competition on the AWI board for their logo with IP loggings and cookies, and someone got his logo right on top by voting multiple times and then admitted he did it too.

                                                              - Also, domain and content of our own choosing.

                                                              - My vote on flash is to allow it.

                                                              - And if people wnt to start designing now, so be it! We get better designs and stiffer competition that-a-way! It's just that there might be last minute rule changes (when the competition officially opens) that might just scrap the earlybird tours ;)

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                                                              • FATPad
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                • 6693

                                                                #431
                                                                Is there any way to restrict the voting to people registered in April or before?
                                                                <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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                                                                • bhutocracy
                                                                  Not making A Comeback
                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                  • 10218

                                                                  #432
                                                                  Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                  Is there any way to restrict the voting to people registered in April or before?
                                                                  thats a very good idea.. i was going to say even if we restricted it to GFY'ers people would just register multiple monikers on may 29th

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                                                                  • FATPad
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 6693

                                                                    #433
                                                                    Ehh fuck it. I'm in. This'll be fun even if I blow chunks.
                                                                    <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

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                                                                    • BadBoyBill4281
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 616

                                                                      #434
                                                                      heres the poll system i have set up now and how it works just noone is getting back to me on how or what they think we should change you name it i can change it on it you want tight security you got it you want ip,email,cookie and reg for each vote to count so they can't be counted again done so heres the way i have it set up now but we have to get ahold of JPYdude who has the GFYcontest domain and have him hook up with me if he's any kinda strong programmer we can make the 2 sites GFYcontest and aepolls.com work together so here it is



                                                                      anyone who has better idea or thinks somethign needs added please tell me IQC #128496425
                                                                      ICQ#128496425

                                                                      www.swinginglocal.com

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                                                                      • Hypo
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                        • 1104

                                                                        #435
                                                                        Who did the flash banner for bigplayers.com ?? Is he in the competition?

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                                                                        • Hypo
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                          • 1104

                                                                          #436
                                                                          I dont think there's any way to stop cheating on a voting script, even if you include emails, registration, cookies and IPs.

                                                                          Restricting voting to people registered on or before December 2001 seems a better idea to me so we have people with some experience voting.

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                                                                          • bhutocracy
                                                                            Not making A Comeback
                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                            • 10218

                                                                            #437
                                                                            flash isn't part of the competition

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                                                                            • BadBoyBill4281
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 616

                                                                              #438
                                                                              ok so as the admin on aepolls.com i'll write a script to check their GFY.com profile and check their join date and if it's before a certain date they can't vote good enough problem solved????
                                                                              ICQ#128496425

                                                                              www.swinginglocal.com

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                                                                              • bhutocracy
                                                                                Not making A Comeback
                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                • 10218

                                                                                #439
                                                                                someone's always going to be able to rig it unless theres a "three wise men/women" panel of judges.. even if it's pre dec2001'ers you could round up a few old GFY mates on icq and get them to vote..

                                                                                a few impartial voters sounds the best to me.. with a public poll system to declare the "popular choice"..
                                                                                but even then. only 3 people mightn't be a broad enough range of tastes to be fair to everyone.... i don't mind either way.. and i don't want to get too finnicky over voting.. if someone wants to cheat.. whatever.. i don't understand that mentality.. anyone actually good enough to win isn't going to need it, so you'd soon know if a crappy design was beating killer ones that something was amiss.. it's about exposure and your art anyway.

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                                                                                • Tylo
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                  • 2108

                                                                                  #440
                                                                                  Man this thing is getting big.
                                                                                  Good luck to all.
                                                                                  I cant weight to see the competitions crazy art!!

                                                                                  -ICQ# 119419008

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                                                                                  • BadBoyBill4281
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                    • 616

                                                                                    #441
                                                                                    anyone actually good enough to win isn't going to need it, so you'd soon know if a crappy design was beating killer ones that something was amiss.. it's about exposure and your art anyway.
                                                                                    Right on i feel the same but you still have the cheater in life i'm all game for having 3 people judge the designs the only thing about that is whos gonna step up to the plate that doesn't know someone on this board that everyone can trust????
                                                                                    ICQ#128496425

                                                                                    www.swinginglocal.com

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                                                                                    • Tylo
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                      • 2108

                                                                                      #442
                                                                                      wait*

                                                                                      sorry need coffee

                                                                                      -ICQ# 119419008

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                                                                                      • Tabster
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                                        • 128

                                                                                        #443
                                                                                        Damn... I night of sleep = 1,5 hours of reading this thread... Hehe

                                                                                        But the competition is looking really really great...

                                                                                        AMP could you write me down for representing Cool-Content ??

                                                                                        Over and out.
                                                                                        Limitations only exist in your mind dude, that's why I don't have any. :-)

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                                                                                        • Tylo
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                          • 2108

                                                                                          #444
                                                                                          AMP hook it up im representing AEOLN.com

                                                                                          -ICQ# 119419008

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                                                                                          • bhutocracy
                                                                                            Not making A Comeback
                                                                                            • Dec 2001
                                                                                            • 10218

                                                                                            #445
                                                                                            Originally posted by BadBoyBill4281


                                                                                            Right on i feel the same but you still have the cheater in life i'm all game for having 3 people judge the designs the only thing about that is whos gonna step up to the plate that doesn't know someone on this board that everyone can trust????
                                                                                            amp had some good suggestions before on judges who were pretty impartial..
                                                                                            but as i said earlier i don't mind either way.. to have that many eyes go over my work is prize enough for me..

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                                                                                            • spanky
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                                                              • 231

                                                                                              #446
                                                                                              what the heck... can I get in on this too? somebody has to submit the worst site, might as well be me

                                                                                              cheers
                                                                                              spanky

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                                                                                              • SpyCam
                                                                                                PoiSEO.com
                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                • 1201

                                                                                                #447
                                                                                                well, part of you guys are probably waiting for me to participate too... i'm not such a frequent guest on GFY, i read it sometimes. so this is why i din't post here before....

                                                                                                You guys will probably have fun doing the demo tours, but not me, i have orders and customers are waiting for their sites designed... everything is about time - i have no time for that...

                                                                                                i don't count me as good designer or skilled one.... i just do what i do.... being an adult web site designer does not mean that i can do paysite designs or i do very good ones... but it counts only, when i'm able to sell my designs - i mean when i get somebody to pay me for designing - to do business

                                                                                                i like to design sites, but it's not fun for me - it's business
                                                                                                i'm not scarried or so to participate, i explained why already...

                                                                                                So i wish good luck for all the designers and if somebody needs my opinion on something - you know how to find me...

                                                                                                OH, and btw, if you would really like to make a fair competition, you should tell 1 domain name and the same sets of pics for all the members of this fun and see who has the best solution using the same shit as others - that's the most important thing.... would you vote impartial if you see 2 tours of the same level, but one contains good looking chick and other - gays (and you're not a gay site lover). hell no! so the models will make you decide which one you like the best.......

                                                                                                my pleasure

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                                                                                                • BadBoyBill4281
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                  • 616

                                                                                                  #448
                                                                                                  OH, and btw, if you would really like to make a fair competition, you should tell 1 domain name and the same sets of pics for all the members of this fun and see who has the best solution using the same shit as others - that's the most important thing.... would you vote impartial if you see 2 tours of the same level, but one contains good looking chick and other - gays (and you're not a gay site lover). hell no! so the models will make you decide which one you like the best.......
                                                                                                  spy has a very good point say you use candid content and someone likes them better then matrix but the design is what we are after NOT THE MODELS!!!!

                                                                                                  so lets all make a choice here and now and say one set of content for all to use grab free content from all the BIG content providers and set a page up with it on it and call it a day and say you have to use this content to be in the thing everythign else goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                  And last but not least GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!
                                                                                                  ICQ#128496425

                                                                                                  www.swinginglocal.com

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                                                                                                  • [Labret]
                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                    • 10945

                                                                                                    #449
                                                                                                    448 booyah

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                                                                                                    • baremuffin
                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                                      • 54

                                                                                                      #450
                                                                                                      Dammit, I lost my login info and had to create another name... the big two posts I'd had originally were *such* a painful birth, I hate to lose them... haha

                                                                                                      However, I'd like to enter this design thing, too. Am I supposed to do it this way still?
                                                                                                      TeenGodFather
                                                                                                      Hypo
                                                                                                      Nina
                                                                                                      Bhuto
                                                                                                      Lickshots
                                                                                                      redshift
                                                                                                      amp
                                                                                                      Sabai
                                                                                                      va2k
                                                                                                      Vegasdude
                                                                                                      AdultWebGraphics
                                                                                                      Fletch XXX
                                                                                                      Tylo
                                                                                                      XXXPaysiteDesign
                                                                                                      Andrew@XPD
                                                                                                      Brut
                                                                                                      Tabster
                                                                                                      MetaformX
                                                                                                      GotGauge
                                                                                                      alias
                                                                                                      DamnFineOnline
                                                                                                      Hyper
                                                                                                      baremuffin/MinXxX

                                                                                                      I've also got some new, exclusive feeds that are out of production (complete) but haven't actually begun being promoted yet that I'd like to donate 3 months access to as a lower-level prize...maybe like fourth, something like that. One minute RealPlayer clips, categorized and ripped for high-quality broadband streaming, and also to be a short, palatable download for modem users as well. Whoever is in charge of the prizes, please contact me and I'll get you the info... [email protected] or ICQ 37519122 or hell, even AIM if you must, look for baremuffin.

                                                                                                      If anybody has any gothic content they'd be willing to trade for contest use only, please hit me up. I don't have any of that, and that's where my heart REALLY is

                                                                                                      It's ok to donate a prize and enter, right? If not, I'll have the client I represent on the feeds be the actual 'prize sponsor'; we can probably throw in a dvd package as well.

                                                                                                      I've read this whole thread and I'm really looking forward to seeing everybody's work. I see there's questions regarding the usage of Flash, and though I'm staying out of that one, I'd like to know what constitutes a 'weird' plug-in... some of my tours include vid content, and I guess I'd like to know if that's outright banned in this competition, or if it would be okay for a vid-based niche tour...

                                                                                                      Also, finally, are there any limitations on categories? I understand lolita, kiddy, beastie, rape, etc. are common sense no-nos, but I was wondering if watersport, fisting, gothic, etc. are all valid choices.

                                                                                                      If not, I'm sure I can go with something a little less... specialized

                                                                                                      Thanks guys, this should be alot of fun... though looking at Amp's stuff has put the proverbial fear of designing God into my heart...

                                                                                                      Take care,
                                                                                                      Michelle
                                                                                                      Does not play well with others...

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