Chuck Liddell ... who DIDN'T see this coming?

What makes you think that Rampage didnt' get better after their first fight?

I agree, he was totally knocked out for a few seconds, if the ref. let them go, he would of comletly been fucked up! but i did think he would have lasted alot longer than he did, but damn he got knocked the fuck out!

I don't have a single good thing to say about Shamrock, but the guy doesn't have a glass jaw.

check out this video of a guy that looks like chuck fighting a GIRL!!!!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XXZCkDDetY

people thought couture was done too

hmmmm

Both those guys have been so inconsistent at times that its hard to tell. If they're both at the top of their games, I'll probably give the edge to Rampage just for the weight advantage and jesus power.

Ok what would you call it? He had his fair rain of championships and good fights then started getting his ass kicked by younger better fighters, maybe the same is happening to Chuck and his career.

being new to ultimate fighting but very intrigued and into it i really enjoy reading commentaries from the experienced posters...

It was a great fight in that Rampage did what he did but i think what i feel and most others is that they wanted to see more, atleast i did....but damn Rampage has some some crazy stoppage power...watched his previous fights as well...

1. Chuck isn't Couture

2. PRIDE fighters are making their way to the UFC. So, I doubt UFC will push Chuck anymore due to his age and the new/young talent they have now.

also i thnk being thrown into this new position i feel strongly that Rampage will take it seriously and will be hard opponent to dethrone....

One fight does not make Chuck anything like Shamrock.

EVERYONE LOSES. (Except Fedor)

Maybe you should look up the last 7 fights Chuck has won, and then you can tell us how many of them were younger than him.

im sure he has but the difference i see between the two fighters is brute strength (rampage) and tactful ko fighter (chuck)

based on their first fight, the amount of blows that chuck took to the head and face and kept goin says a lot about him. he is hands down outmatched by rampage. just putting the fighters side by side says it all. Either way, next time around (if chuck dosnt fuck up cus hes intimidated) he'll fuck rampages shit up. boys got nothing but muscle on chuck.

This is a great gif of Rampage slamming the shit out of Ricardo Arona in PRIDE.



My coach has told me some great stories about Arona, and he was winning that match till that slam.

A couple of things about wha't next for Chuck that haven't been mentioned yet:

- The dude honestly LOVES to fight. He'd still be fighting for $2k a show if that was the way it was. That's opposed to somebody like Tito Ortiz who doesn't really like to fight, but he loves the fame and money. Chuck will be back in the cage swinging for the fences as long as his body will allow him.

- He's always been a partier, but its been getting out of hand lately. He's gonna need to clean up a bit if he wants to remain a top conditioned athlete at his age.



And another question for the hardcore fans / guys that train:

Chuck has been doing the "lead hand down" stance for a long time and never been caught. Obviously, it worked great for takedown defense and weird striking angles, but do you think it was completely exposed by that right hook? Will we see more or less of that style in the future?

bring on Wanderlei Silva!!!

Who the fuck is Chick Liddell?????

It's been there a long time, this time, a well prepared and well trained fighter took advantage of it. Rampage had his number. It was bootyful, soon as I saw him going left to right, I knew it was over.

Anthony why can you not read the word "maybe" in my post you directly quoted and yes Shamrock did start getting his ass handed to him by younger fighters and yes Rampage is Younger than Chuck and i have to agree with you in his last seven wins most of Chucks opponents were older than him but i was talking about his losses not his wins.

The comparison i was making was to the guy that was one of the founding fathers of UFC that was the glory boy for years, had a severe decline in his career, then we come to the Chuck generation (my generation) in UFC history where he is the most recognized. Yes Chuck lost, no i do not like it, maybe it is the beginning of the end of his career.

It was a good stop. Liddell was beat. Rampage was cowering away from a Liddell punch as he wildly through the punch... so to me it was a little lucky. From what I have scene Liddell now is a better fighter than Jackson is now. So, I would like to see a rematch.

Chuck has loose TMA inspired striking and Rampage has the tight peek-a-boo boxing style - most people consider Rampage's "technique" to be much better (unless he's taking knees in the clinch, which is a major hole in his style).

You started to have a case until you said older than Chuck. There's only been on fighter older than Chuck that he's fought in the past 7 fights.

Other than RANDY, they have all been YOUNGER than Chuck.

Unbelievable. Chuck losses one fight out of seven in a row he's won, and now he's washed up? It's not like he was fighting scrubs or cans, he fought serious talent.

But because he's lost one time to a Better Fighter, he's washed up? Absolutly ZERO logic.

dude you've only managed to reach dumbass status. you're about 2 posts away from being a moron.

stop now.

I'm ignoring these Ken Shamrock / Chuck Liddell comparisons and I suggest everybody else do the same.

was a good stop, like everything and in all sports aging is one skill that is a part of nature, there will always be someone younger, stronger and new in ALL sports, there is no questions chuck is legendary already

i have secondary sponsorships for both fighters through my mainstream ventures by the way, been on business side of MMA since late 90s...

Damn, you've seen the sport through some harsh times. For my own street cred, I gotta mention I was ringside at KOTC for a Rampage fight in '01 when his entire gameplan was picking people up and dropping them on their heads.

Karo's fight was great. His hands have really gotten better.

The actual "Fight Of The Night Award" went to Kalib Starnes and Chris Leben.

I'm wth HPD, those were the dark days.

You own Tapout?!

One good thing about Rampage winning is that we won't have to hear stupid shit like this for awhile:

"We don't know right know because Pride and UFC were separated for so long," Jardine said. "Look at what happened to CroCop recently. We don't know how good those Pride guys really were."

I got some pics from the fight. As soon as my day slows down, I will get them posted.

I guess Jardine forgot about how Andersen Silva took apart Leben, and then Rich Franklin.

It's all about the $$$, sooo many people are willing to pay big bucks again to see a rematch that EVERYONE will bank.

Why should it have never happened ? All the pride fighter are crossing over to the UFC now... the LHW and HW division are gonna be stacked as hell.

You obviously don't know shit about MMA / training or anything else.

Anything can happen, this was not a setup, just a gameplan well executed.

And there was no premature stopage there. Chuck got knocked the fuck out...

Rampage has a problem with the thai clinch, but he never had a good training team arround. (He was living in a trailer at times he was fighting in pride)

He's been training thai for a while now, and he probably learned the escapes of the clinch.

I highly doubt Andersen would take him, Rampage could slam him arround way too easily and he's much stronger. And as far as striking goes, Silva is the most technical of the two, but rampage has one of the biggest chin in MMA and he hits a lot harder. Who knows, in MMA, it can go both ways.

I really want to see a rematch between Wand / Shogun and Rampage, but only in a year or two when rampage will build up again... I don't think he's at 100 % of his potential right now. The guy is comming back from rough times.

Wand said is out for 07 so that's good... and Dana just signed Shogun to the UFC, but said he has a year in the work for the title shot (they need to build him up in the US to make a money fight).

The fight agaisn't Hendo will be a really good test for rampage that's for sure.

Watch the first pride match if you want to see Lidell get his ass handed to him by page. The big question arround this match was about Rampage's mental stability.

With all the solid contenders at 205 I doubt we'll see Chuck soon. Chuck is probably gonna have to fight Wanderlei before he fights Rampage, and if Wand recovers from his KOs, I don't give Lidell that much of a chance.

A very smart animal that is ;)


P.S. As far as the stopage went, I think BJM saved Chuck a night in the hospital for checkout... probably not much he could have done with rampage on top of him while half unconscious.

by the way, what is myspace going to do now with that interactive chuck liddel ad banner...the one that lets u throw punches at his face....

lol

Chuck is a one dimentional fighter. He had great matchups agaisn't wrestlers... wich were good styles for him. He's got great take down defence and he's probably the guy who controls the ring the best.

But put up agaisn't great strikers who also have great wrestling / bjj skills, that's another thing...

Shogun, Wand, Hendo and a couple other guys would be really hard fights for Chuck.

Sounds like the guys on Sherdog... as soon as GSP lost everybody stoped giving him credit, and when he made a couple comments about how he didn't train hard, everyone started bashing GSP.

But honestly, I don't see Lidell comming back at the top of the game. He is probably going to stay in the top 5 LHW for a while, but I doubt he'll ever come back #1

i love how everyone is an armchair quarterback when it comes to MMA when very few people here actually have an intimate knowledge of it other than what they're seen and told on tv

(Theses ammounts does not include bonuses, PPV cuts, profit sharing or whatever else).

MMAWeekly has obtained the fighter salary information for UFC 71, which took place on Saturday, May 26th in Las Vegas.

The following figures are based on the fighter salary information that the UFC is required by law to submit to the state athletic commissions, including the winners' bonuses. (Chuck Liddell and Quinton Jackson had flat salaries with no win bonuses.)

Although MMA fighters do not have collective bargaining or a union, the fighters' salaries are still public record, just as with every other major sport in the United States. Any undisclosed bonuses that the UFC also pays its fighters, but does not disclose to the athletic commissions (specifically, PPV bonuses for PPV main event fighters), are not included in the figures below. Also not reflected below are the taxes that the fighters have to pay.

In the listings below, "Main Event Fighters" are defined as fighters who compete in the main event of a show. "Main Card Fighters" are defined as fighters whose fights appear on the main card, but not in title fights or in the main event. "Preliminary Match Fighters" are defined as fighters whose matches take place before the live broadcast goes on the air, regardless of whether or not those matches end up airing on the PPV broadcast.

In addition, next to each fighter's name is the number of UFC fights that he has had, not counting fights that took place during Ultimate Fighter seasons because those fights are officially classified as exhibitions.


Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Chuck Liddell: $500,000 (18th fight in UFC; lost to Quinton Jackson)

-Quinton Jackson: $225,000 (2nd fight in UFC after 17 fights in Pride; defeated Chuck Liddell)


Main Card Fighters

-Karo Parisyan: $32,000 (9th fight in UFC; defeated Josh Burkman)

-Ivan Salaverry: $17,500 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Terry Martin)

-Terry Martin: $12,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Ivan Salaverry)

-Kalib Starnes: $10,000 (3rd fight in UFC; defeated Chris Leben)

-Chris Leben: $10,000 (9th fight in UFC; lost to Kalib Starnes)

-Houston Alexander: $8,000 (1st fight in UFC; defeated Keith Jardine)

-Josh Burkman: $7,000 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Karo Parisyan)

-Keith Jardine: $7,000 (6th fight in UFC; lost to Houston Alexander)


Preliminary Match Fighters

-Din Thomas: $28,000 (7th fight in UFC; defeated Jeremy Stephens)

-Wilson Gouveia: $16,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Carmelo Marrero)

-Thiago Silva: $16,000 (1st fight in UFC; defeated James Irvin)

-Alan Belcher: $14,000 (4th fight in UFC; defeated Sean Salmon)

-James Irvin: $7,000 (5th fight in UFC; lost to Thiago Silva)

-Carmelo Marrero: $5,000 (3rd fight in UFC; lost to Wilson Gouveia)

-Sean Salmon: $3,000 (2nd fight in UFC; lost to Alan Belcher)

-Jeremy Stephens: $3,000 (1st fight in UFC; lost to Din Thomas)

Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $920,500

Maybe he was 1 dimensional 10 years ago, but Chuck has been working on his BJJ. Is he at Shogun or Wandy level, probably not.

It's wrestling skills that matter more in MMA when it goes to the ground, the better wrestler dictates when, and if it does go to the ground, and whenever he wants to stand back up.

Chuck is a solid Purple in BJJ, an acomplished wrestler, and a a damn good striker.

I'm interested too how it does against Rua and Wandy.

I know about Chuck's purp belt in BJJ. He also has a pretty solid wrestling background.

But he's a one dimentional fighter when it comes to his gameplans... It's like Wanderlei. You know what's gonna happen when the fight starts (unlike fedor... wich is a very versatile fighter and a master at surprising the other guy with his gameplans. The only thing you know with fedor is that he'll win the fight).

I give him chances agaisn't Wandy as a counterstriker (wandy has problems with theses) but very small chances agaisn't Shogun.

Being an armchair quarterback is the fucking point. That's what sports fans do. Just because I say that Kobe Bryant had a shitty game last night doesn't mean I think I can do better.

Yes but when it comes to this sports, lots of people are new and talk a lot of shit... I used to say shit out of my ass too when I started listening to the sport.

I started understanding it better, but I see it totally differently now that I started training. The shit is a lot harder to do then it seems... you have to practice every move thousands and thousands of time to get in right, and that's without counting the conditioning.

I gotta agree with you here, Chuck kept stepping back trying to get Rampage to engage. I was loving it when Rampage started holding his hands up like "What's Up, we gonna fight?"

Wandy has a problem with anyone who can time when he charges in. Even Yoshida did a damn good job, and he's not known for his striking.

Rua on the other hand, I think is tailor made for Chuck. He comes straight in, right into CHuck's gameplan.

All in all, I can't wait for the Chuck/Wandy fight, which Dana said will be Chuck's next match.

Then Chuck won't fight for a while... Wandy announced last week or two weeks ago that he's out for the rest of the year. One of the smartest thing done too, he really needs to recover from theses knockouts.

When did you start training and what school? We are the same weight class, can you be ready to fight in August?

Seriously, you nailed it on the head. Tonight I'm told I'm doing 100 reps of armbars from guard, 100 half guard escapes, 100 reps of kimuras from guard, and then go lift weights. Learning how to lift weights for fighting is drastically different from lifting to look good.

Even with all that aside, alot of us have been waiting for MMA to come up from the underground, so it's a victory of sorts having to listen to arm chair cage fighters spout off about how they would have done it or how it should be.

Dana on saturday night said that fight is next once Chuck's 45 day suspension is over.

I'm farrrrr from ready to fight with a well rounded guy I'ma be LHW when I fight most likely. I'm already down from 275-280 to 240 since a year ago.

J-$ got offered to fight in the next shoot tournament thought, he has won his last couple Thai boxing matches. He's down at 205 (6'3).

I train at Force in Sherbrooke. They have boxing, thai, wrestling, no gui (MMA driven) BJJ, etc... pretty much the whole lot. Biggest name in the gym is Yan Pélerin... too bad the guy isn't strict in his training because he has the talent... We have a cage, a ring, full MMA driven weight gym and other stuff.

The MMA market is weird. Out here, the bikers are the main organised crime, and they are big time supporters of MMA and Shoot Box arround here... To give you an idea, the gym where I go at is pretty much free (kinda insane when it's considered one of the 2-3 nicest MMA gym in canada).

So it's very intimidating for someone to go to a show when it's full of steriods hooked bikers with their patch...

There is one major league in MMA. We've had guys like St-Piere, Coté, Loiseau, Goulet, Stout, Homminick, Snake Claveau etc... comming out of there to the UFC bastillion. Basicly our gym's team fights agaisn't 3-4 other major gyms team in shoot boxing, the best ones make it to TKO... Then to the UFC.

But the sport is still very underground.

I could take both of em, at the same time, I work out