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  • WarChild
    Let slip the dogs of war.
    • Jan 2003
    • 17263
    #51
    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
    are you kidding? the breed came about specifically for fighting. they were created to fight. the breed was created to make a better fighting dog.
    Yes, but dog-dog aggression is VERY different than dog-person aggression. Pittbulls were created to fight other dogs, not people. They are in fact not considered part of the "man stopper" breeds of dogs.

    In actual fact, a fighting dog that was aggressive to people, specifically handlers would have to be destroyed as it could not be safely handled.
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      • The Walrus
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        • Mar 2007
        • 898
        #52
        fifty

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          • WarChild
            Let slip the dogs of war.
            • Jan 2003
            • 17263
            #53
            Originally posted by The Walrus
            fifty
            Negative.
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              • Miss Munki
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                • Mar 2007
                • 1355
                #54
                I've known some really sweet Pit's, but even the nicest ones need proper handling, training, and a very secure yard. When I was looking for a dog to adopt, I kind of just didn't want the hassle. There a plenty badass breeds that are known for being friendly. I settled with a shepard/retriever, and she's great.

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                  • After Shock Media
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                    • Mar 2001
                    • 35299
                    #55
                    Genetics is a bitch and they were bred for a purpose.

                    Just like with a rat terrier.

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                      • jakethedog
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                        • Jun 2004
                        • 2497
                        #56
                        we had some druggie here in town who actually had 2 rottweilers and while the woman and her addict boyfriend slept/passed out in the bedroom .. the 2 dogs killed and pulled apart her 2 year old child in the living room ... she just went to court over it ... personally any dogs that are even remotely aggressive and kids just don't mix .. and pit bulls in my opinion are an aggressive breed ..but thats just my opinion
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                          • WarChild
                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 17263
                            #57
                            Originally posted by jakethedog
                            we had some druggie here in town who actually had 2 rottweilers and while the woman and her addict boyfriend slept/passed out in the bedroom .. the 2 dogs killed and pulled apart her 2 year old child in the living room ... she just went to court over it ... personally any dogs that are even remotely aggressive and kids just don't mix .. and pit bulls in my opinion are an aggressive breed ..but thats just my opinion
                            Actually, the truth of the matter is young children should never be left unsupervised with any breed of dog.
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                              • webmasterchecks
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                                • Oct 2006
                                • 1685
                                #58
                                i got bit by a pit bull when i was younger, it just jumped up and grabbed my hand, freaked me out for life

                                now i dont like being around dogs i cant punt
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                                  • GatorB
                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 18208
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                    are you kidding? the breed came about specifically for fighting. they were created to fight. the breed was created to make a better fighting dog.

                                    Yeah at FIRST. I can guarantee you NOW most pits wern't bred to fight. As I used the Atika example before there are ZERO Akitas that are now bread to hunt bears. Just because they were once that way doesn't mean it will always be that way.

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                                      • Deej
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                                        • Jun 2005
                                        • 24386
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by WarChild
                                        Actually, the truth of the matter is young children should never be left unsupervised with any breed of dog.
                                        totally... its not worth the risk... I trust my dog and I honestly wouldnt ever think he would/could ever bite a kid, but I wont let it even have a chance... hes never loose and hes never unsupervised when my friends bring their kids over.... or hes put in another room just for the fact that he wont leave them alone .... we would lick their faces off if he could...

                                        im more worried for him being taken than the kid being hurt...

                                        only because its not my kid ;) if it was mine, hed be shot

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                                          • GatorB
                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 18208
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by jakethedog
                                            we had some druggie here in town who actually had 2 rottweilers and while the woman and her addict boyfriend slept/passed out in the bedroom .. the 2 dogs killed and pulled apart her 2 year old child in the living room ... she just went to court over it ... personally any dogs that are even remotely aggressive and kids just don't mix .. and pit bulls in my opinion are an aggressive breed ..but thats just my opinion
                                            Well

                                            A) the parents sounded like bad parents dog or not dog.

                                            B) Rottwiellers are not INSDIE dogs. Let alone TWO of them. Would you keep a pony inside?

                                            C) Young children should never be left alone around ANY pet. Leave a 2 year old around a cat hat hasn't been declawed and I guarantee you most of the time you'd get a child with cuts on their face.

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                                              • Screaming
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                                                • Feb 2004
                                                • 18972
                                                #62
                                                do not like them.

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                                                  • WarChild
                                                    Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 17263
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by GatorB
                                                    B) Rottwiellers are not INSDIE dogs. Let alone TWO of them. Would you keep a pony inside?
                                                    Rottweilers are very social dogs and prefer to be wherever you are. I have 3 Rottweilers, and I live in Costa Rica where it's warm enough year round to keep the patio door open for them. Given their choice, they spend most of their time chilling indoors. They go outside to play (I have a large fenced yard) or go to the bathroom but primarily hang around with me. A Rottweiler that is kept soley outdoors will be an unhappy dog.
                                                    Last edited by WarChild; 05-27-2007, 03:19 PM.
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                                                      • Worldnet
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                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                        • 996
                                                        #64
                                                        Weak people like these kind of dogs to help assert their masculinity.

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                                                          • GatorB
                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                            • 18208
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Worldnet
                                                            Weak people like these kind of dogs to help assert their masculinity.
                                                            No that's what guns and sports cars are for.

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                                                              • LadyMischief
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                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                • 18135
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                HUGE difference between a WOLF and a pitbull. WOLVES are wild. DOGS have been domesticated for 10,000 years.
                                                                Sorry, but that doesn't make them any less a slave to their instincts. Those instincts have been in development for MILLIONS of years, and 10,000 years of domestication is NOT going to "breed anything" out of a dog. They may be "domesticated", but they are literally a few genes different than a wolf out in the wild, and they aren't the genes that change anything other than their physical appearance. They are still "wolves" inside, no matter how big or small, no matter what "specialty" breed they are, or how well trained they are. Even the most incredibly trained and well-behaved dog in the universe will revert to their wolf instincts if the situation calls for it.

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                                                                  • LadyMischief
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                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                    • 18135
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                    every single pitbull owner I've ever seen on TV said the same thing right after they attacked someone.
                                                                    And those are the only pit-bull owners you will see because the media loves a circus. I know many many people who own extremely balanced and behaved pit-bulls, and I have owned them myself in the past. The people you are talking about should never own ANY dog, they only have their dogs as status symbols, not because they plan on being responsible for it. It's all a matter of the owner.

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                                                                      • LadyMischief
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                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                        • 18135
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                        are you kidding? the breed came about specifically for fighting. they were created to fight. the breed was created to make a better fighting dog.
                                                                        Many fighting dogs have been "bred", but all dogs will respond to proper leadership and boundries that are set and enforced. A newborn can be safe with a pit bull if the dog is balanced and submissive. You don't have to be cruel or aggressive to make them that way either, you simply need to be confident in your leadership and consistant..just like teaching a child.

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                                                                          • LadyMischief
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                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                            • 18135
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by jakethedog
                                                                            we had some druggie here in town who actually had 2 rottweilers and while the woman and her addict boyfriend slept/passed out in the bedroom .. the 2 dogs killed and pulled apart her 2 year old child in the living room ... she just went to court over it ... personally any dogs that are even remotely aggressive and kids just don't mix .. and pit bulls in my opinion are an aggressive breed ..but thats just my opinion
                                                                            That person should not own animals or have kids, period.

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                                                                              • LadyMischief
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                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 18135
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                Actually, the truth of the matter is young children should never be left unsupervised with any breed of dog.
                                                                                Agreed! They are not responsible or mature enough to take responsibility, and they often don't know when they are being hurtful. Many dog attacks on children start when the child unknowingly hurts the dog and triggers the defensive instinct in the animal. Pain is the fastest way to take a dog to base instincts.


                                                                                I have two dogs, they are black lab/field-bred springer spaniel crosses. They aren't huge dogs, not small either, 50 pounds each or so. However, I will NOT leave any of my three children with them unattended, even the 8 year old, because often they don't realize when they are taking the dog's excitement level to a point where they can get hurt. And not even neccessarily from dogs biting or attacking, but a large dog can knock a small child over and maul them with love as quickly as they can with aggression, and the kid will end up hurt either way. Responsible pet owners and responsible parents will supervise ALL interactions between animals and children, and will in the process show their children the proper way to treat animals. I have *0* use for parents who let children have their way with animals, then cry and whine when their kids are blinded by a cat scratch or attacked by Fido, the family mutt who "never hurt a flea before". Ya, Fido suffers, but your little asshole kid is still running around ripping the ears of innocent pets.

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                                                                                  • royaljelly2
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                                                                                    • May 2007
                                                                                    • 1034
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    I'm not a big fan of the breed. Nothing to do with it's rap.
                                                                                    But I think with these breeds - the wrong type of people tend to rasie them and make them agressive.

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                                                                                      • wyldblyss
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                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                        • 5779
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        If a dog has aggression in his bloodline, no matter how well he is raised and loved, there is a risk he will become aggressive protecting his range (your property) and the alpha of the pack (primary dog owner).

                                                                                        Now some will never do that....but there is increased risk, so I would not recommend something like a pit bull for a guy who has a family...so the guys wife was right in telling him to find a new home for the pit bull. Pit Bulls and children should NOT mix. Something may never happen, but do you really want to take that risk?

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                                                                                          • LadyMischief
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                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                            • 18135
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by wyldblyss
                                                                                            If a dog has aggression in his bloodline, no matter how well he is raised and loved, there is a risk he will become aggressive protecting his range (your property) and the alpha of the pack (primary dog owner).

                                                                                            Now some will never do that....but there is increased risk, so I would not recommend something like a pit bull for a guy who has a family...so the guys wife was right in telling him to find a new home for the pit bull. Pit Bulls and children should NOT mix. Something may never happen, but do you really want to take that risk?
                                                                                            My opinion differs somewhat, but you have to REALLY be prepared to be a true leader if you are going to own pit bulls and have children. One of my best friends used to train police dogs, and she currently has 2 pit bulls and 5 children. They live harmoniously together, but the children have also been taught to treat the animals with respect and not maul them with love, and she is around all interactions between animals and children. Those dogs KNOW though, that those kids are the "puppies" of the pack and therefore "higher" than them in rank, they would never dream of hurting the "pack'" puppies.

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                                                                                              • Walrus
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                                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                                • 2150
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                WTF is a rockwieler?
                                                                                                LOL. My thoughts exactly.

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                                                                                                  • LadyMischief
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                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                    • 18135
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by royaljelly2
                                                                                                    I'm not a big fan of the breed. Nothing to do with it's rap.
                                                                                                    But I think with these breeds - the wrong type of people tend to rasie them and make them agressive.
                                                                                                    Most people who get those kinds of dogs get them because they want them as a status symbol.. they are "tough" dogs. They have no idea what they are in for and they should definitely not own "fighting" dog.

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                                                                                                      • tranza
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                                                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                                                        • 57559
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        I don't like them....
                                                                                                        I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                          • WarChild
                                                                                                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                            • 17263
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by LadyMischief
                                                                                                            Sorry, but that doesn't make them any less a slave to their instincts. Those instincts have been in development for MILLIONS of years, and 10,000 years of domestication is NOT going to "breed anything" out of a dog. They may be "domesticated", but they are literally a few genes different than a wolf out in the wild, and they aren't the genes that change anything other than their physical appearance. They are still "wolves" inside, no matter how big or small, no matter what "specialty" breed they are, or how well trained they are. Even the most incredibly trained and well-behaved dog in the universe will revert to their wolf instincts if the situation calls for it.
                                                                                                            You're literally a few genes away from being a chimpanzee should we expect you to revert to swinging from the trees if the situation calls for it?

                                                                                                            What about police or seeing eye dogs? You're telling me they aren't well enough trained to be controlled in any situation without resorting to being wolf like?
                                                                                                            Last edited by WarChild; 05-28-2007, 07:22 AM.
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                                                                                                              • Deej
                                                                                                                I make pixels work
                                                                                                                • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                • 24386
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                youre all getting out of hand and off track...just read what i said...youre all repeating yourself...Lady M has it too

                                                                                                                Dogs dont have thumbs so we cant trust them, they are envious of us and our evolutionary appendages.

                                                                                                                They ALL feed for blood and they will start with our lil morsels of joy.

                                                                                                                Pit bulls are the MOST vicious canine breed, its a proven scientific fact, these facts come from yale, but not harvard. Harvard people owns lapso apsos! Pussies!

                                                                                                                for all the people spouting things about genes and chromosomes... thats makes no bit of a difference...

                                                                                                                humans are 2 chromosomes from being a fucking daphodile...

                                                                                                                blood and history overcomes cunning thought


                                                                                                                get a life... Pit bulls or dogs in general are a proven hazard...towards kids that is...

                                                                                                                we dont leave a kid unattended with a pool .... yet were not going to kill off our waters system are we?

                                                                                                                try and contradict me... it will get you nowhere...

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                                                                                                                  • LadyMischief
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                                                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                    • 18135
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                    You're literally a few genes away from being a chimpanzee should we expect you to revert to swinging from the trees if the situation calls for it?

                                                                                                                    What about police or seeing eye dogs? You're telling me they aren't well enough trained to be controlled in any situation without resorting to being wolf like?
                                                                                                                    And human beings are more controlled by our instinct than we care to acknowledge, that doesn't mean that it's not a factor in almost all the decisions we make to one extent or another.

                                                                                                                    As for police or seeing-eye dogs, any animal can snap under trauma, and their "default operating system" is instinct. My friend told stories of police dogs that had been the victims of trauma or abuse at the hands of offenders that were never the same and in some cases had to be put down because of the level of damage. Some of these animals even reverted and attacked their own trusted handlers and trainers. An animal is an animal is an animal.

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                                                                                                                      • Th!nk
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                                                                                                                        • Aug 2005
                                                                                                                        • 6996
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        they seems to be so aggressive.

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                                                                                                                          • C_U_Next_Tuesday
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                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                            • 10581
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            If you are getting one ..get it as a puppy and socialize it properly. If you are getting more than one..buyer beware, they can be agressive when in a "pack".

                                                                                                                            My dogs alone are great.. but when I get them together and they encounter another dog..they team up on it immediately. My dogs are a lab and lab mix.

                                                                                                                            Proper training and excercise are important.. you are getting a high energy breed..one that needs to be run on a daily basis or they get pent up energy which turns into bad chewing habits and such.

                                                                                                                            Dogs are like kids.. you have to give them lots of attention..if you arent home much or a couch potatoe.. dont bother getting one at all.

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                                                                                                                              • Elli
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                                                                                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                • 17991
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                imo Pit bulls/staffordshire terriers were bred for a purpose, and the breed suffered from bad documentation, bad breeding, and generations of abusive owners. Sure, there are good dogs and the breed is being slowly corrected, but they are still dogs with tremendous potential to do damage. You might get bit more often by a spaniel, but you're more likely to be able to kick the spaniel away and bandage up a couple toothmarks than you would be if you were bit by a pit bull.

                                                                                                                                Combine that with the number of these dogs that people rescue from SPCA operations where there is no known history for that particular dog and you're asking for trouble.

                                                                                                                                Just like a greyhound will always run and can't be let off-leash in wide open spaces if you expect to get your dog back, a pit shouldn't be trusted to be able to override its breeding instincts.

                                                                                                                                Rottweilers are the same in my books. Just as trigger-happy and just as deadly.
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                                                                                                                                  • bobby666
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                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    i don't like 'em

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                                                                                                                                      • bushwacker
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                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        been chased by 2 dogs my entire life, both were pits. Good thing they lost interest quick.

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                                                                                                                                          • Walrus
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                                                                                                                                            • May 2005
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                            You're literally a few genes away from being a chimpanzee should we expect you to revert to swinging from the trees if the situation calls for it?

                                                                                                                                            What about police or seeing eye dogs? You're telling me they aren't well enough trained to be controlled in any situation without resorting to being wolf like?
                                                                                                                                            Good post. I was thinking very similary to you when I read Lady Mischief's post. Too many people like to think of dogs as similar to wolves. Sure, that's where they came from. But are we anything like chimpanzees? No. Two different species. Just like wolves and dogs are two different species. And I don't know where Lady Mischeif is getting her info from, most police dogs remain a police dog until they are too old for duty.

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