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LOL wow they dont have anything better to do than book people using interenet connections. My gawd.Comment
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This quote from the cop makes me hate cops even more:
"I had a feeling a law was being broken, but I didn't know exactly what,"
And then instead of a warning for this huge gray area he arrests him and it gets on the news?Comment
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i can't believe that people are arguing that business owners are providing free internet as a some sort of philanthropic public service... and that no one sincerely, genuinely has any idea that it might be not only morally and ethically questionable, but illegal to drive around looking for free wi-fi connections to surf from.Comment
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what I noticed is the only way to prove the person is actually using the internet connection is to admit it, you could easily just say I'm using my own connection or switch screens if he comes to your car, I doubt a police officer would even know the difference.Ross Horwitz
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standing on the street... you see a motorcyle running and no one around... how do you know not to steal it? how do you know its not just free to use? how do you know its not just a community motorcycle?
THE POINT IS THAT, JUST LIKE WITH THE WI-FI CONNECTION... YOU KNOW WITH 100% CERTAINTY THAT ITS NOT YOURS.Comment
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eh... it's almost like a don't ask don't tell type of thing. Sure, we all know stealing wireless is not really on the level, but in the event of an emergency/urgent situation I use anything I have available
People with completely unsecure networks are opening themselves up to potential problems, including illegal activity being conducted on th network. Without a TOS/popup page (which is probably relatively easy to do), businesses are really just asking for it
That doesn't justify leeching off of the wireless, but if I'm just trying to access my bank account or email for legit purposes - I won't feel bad for even one second doing it
With the resources available to local cops, it's pretty damn near impossible for them to catch someone unless they volunteer the information. Unsecured wirless = sitting duck
if you're not secure you must assume that people will at some point use your wireless connection - that's a solid assumption. And hey, if you realize that and still want an unsecured network, then great.Comment
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Its a FREE accessible public area just like a public bathroom, If you don't want people to use it lock it up... or specify that its for paying customers only... as most business do....
Once again FREE ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC AREA
If U build a park in the middle of the city, and dont fence it in, aswell as post signs saying its "Private Property" people are gonna walk thru it
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you sound like a child defending MP3's. just because its there.. just because no one takes significant steps to stop you from stealing... doesn't put you in the right.
you can build a park in the middle of the city without a sign saying "private property" they are still trespassing on private property when they walk through it. no one has any obligation to take extra steps to prevent others from breaking the law.Comment
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pretty soon this shouldn't be a problem - New routers let users type in the desired name and password when setting the router up with the software.
Plus, if you don't know the basics of wireless internet (or can't follow directions), you either shouldn't be using it or someone else should set it up for you
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Your absolutely right but if they dont take those extra steps how will anyone know if its private property or not...
and lets say you decided to walk thru said park on your way to somewhere else should you get arrested for it even though no one told you or specified it was private property to begin with???
Wouldn't you think you were just taking a stroll thru the park and doing nothing wrong???Last edited by peeperpimp; 05-25-2007, 10:58 AM. ICQ: 377517467
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Hi, is it possible to see how many people are connected on to your unsecure connection? Is there a program for that?
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"Whether or not you agree with the legality of using an open WiFi network without the owner's authorization, one thing is painfully clear: if you're going to leech, try not to do it from a parked car right in front of the building."
Lol. Thats great.See Sig.
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you really don't seem to get it. i dont need to put a sign above my front door saying "NO PUBLIC RESTROOM" to prevent people from coming into my house at any time, day or night to take a piss. and "how was i supposed to know his home wasn't a public toilet" isn't going to get you a pass in court.
you don't need to take steps to prevent others from breaking the law. they are expected to not break the law. whether or not people can take additional steps to prevent these situations, has nothing to do with the other person breaking the law.Comment
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I'm not getting the impression that you seem to be getting it eigther.... this is not about a private home / place its a public place / area so there is a considerably understood diferrence...
Aswell as a diferrent perception of applicably acceptible laws...
it may not be acceptible and may be considered to be against laws to walk into someones house (i.e. trespass) but that doesn't apply to public areas
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you said the "park" in your example was private property. thats where it ends. its private property. the owner doesn't need to take any steps at all to warn people that its private property... you trespass, you're in the wrong. end of story.
whether or not he could take extra steps to prevent trespassing is irrelevant. the fact that he doesn't, does not make it ok to trespass on his land.Comment
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Oh, I forgot to mention... the Staples Wireless Network has BANNED GFY!
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hmm ok I think this computer I reformated it after I set up the router and it doesn't have any router program on it that I see( I just searched)
If I go to the router website (SMC) and download the software...thats the router panel?
hha I know so little about hardware
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Your absolutely correct in your point....
But will you please try to understand mine its diferrent than yours...
my point is that even though your trespassing your not aware of it...
I dont think anybody would be since the owner didn't take the extra optional steps to make others aware of it...
It doesn't make it right but should you go to jail / get arrested for it???, I don't think so...
There's no expectation of privacy and or no expectation that people will stay off it... if no notice of any kind is given in such an area...
Although I consider assumptions to be ignorrant, in this day & age people simply just assume and expect that public areas are free for all...
so if the owner doesn't take those extra optional steps (which he doesn't have to) than how could he expect others to know what his expectations are...
After all everyones terms are diferrent...
and some people / communities do put up parks and public AREAS for others to use free...
Example: 2 diferrent parks one public one private both identical in every way with no notices of any kind on eighter...
U walk thru both can you tell which one U trespassed on???
The minute you'd make a judge aware of that situation and the fact that no notice of any kind was given a judge most likely will throw it out of court...
and would consider it nonsense for the owner of said property to even have U arrested, since theres no way for U to have known what the owners expectations where...
Same applies for public WiFi connections since its considered a public area (Not Physical area but still public area non the less)
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If I was arrested, I would sue Microsoft and whoever made my network card. I turn on my laptop, its connected, I dont have a choice to connect or not, no pop up, if you leave your network open, my computer connects. I'd be rich.Comment
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ok let me check it out, thanks!
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no U'd access your panel on the nethmm ok I think this computer I reformated it after I set up the router and it doesn't have any router program on it that I see( I just searched)
If I go to the router website (SMC) and download the software...thats the router panel?
hha I know so little about hardware
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i.e. http://yourisprouterip
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Diferrent states diferrent laws, what may be acceptible in one may not be in another (it Varies) ICQ: 377517467
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DO THE POLICE EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXAMINE YOUR COMPUTER TO SEE IF IT IS CONNECTED TO THE STORE'S WIFI??
This just seems crazy to me that charges were every possibly even layed in these cases, without them calling in network experts to access the routers to get mac address info for connections and then acquiring some type of search warrants to get access to the surfers laptop computer.
The guy obviously messed up by incriminating himself to the cop instead of keeping his mouth shut or denying. In none of these cases I can't see how they didn't get off.
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sheee it
I had an apartment building next door going to town on my wireless until I decided to simply secure the connection ... then I felt bad that I ended everyones internet
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I guess all I'm trying to say is that I think people should be expected to be smart enough to protect themselves and therefore their networks. Some people here would rather have the law protect them. That's fine. Just remember that the laws are made by people who say things like this:
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Damn that is crazy !!!Comment
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