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  • peeperpimp
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    • Aug 2006
    • 5105
    #51
    Originally posted by JamesK
    Well if they don't secure the connection with a password and put a big sign outside that using the WiFi without ordering shit is illegal, IMO they're just asking for it.
    I agree my point exactly, same as with other free accessible areas of a business...

    a publicly accessible area is just that,..

    as is a stores WiFi connection, bathroom facilities and or other areas accessible to the public...

    If its not specified that its for paying customers only than the facility shouldn't bitch when others access it...
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      • jacked
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        • May 2004
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        #52
        they should enact some sort of regulation that states any business that has wifi access available to their customers must use an encryption key if they want customers only to use it, all they would have to do is enable the security on the fuckin router it takes 5 minutes and a matter of a few clicks. if he feels it's a problem having a encryption key enabled you make up a card with the key on it when someone purchases something you hand them the card with the key on it... problem solved

        otherwise it's open to everyone and it's their fault they hadn't done something to protect their network
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          • peeperpimp
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            • Aug 2006
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            #53
            Originally posted by Manowar
            hard to secure it for a cafe, someone could get the password then walk out and just start using it
            absolutely true, it wouldn't be fool proof but it will cut back on those type of insidents... + new pass daily will eventually determine whos a paying customer and who keeps coming in getting the pass and walking out
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              • Pleasurepays
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                • Aug 2002
                • 11913
                #54
                Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                Standing on the corner of a street and you pick up a WiFi signal. I'll ask again how do you find the owner?
                i can't believe you people are such children.

                i really dont care about anyone using someones wi-fi connection... BUT thats not the point. within the context of the discussion... EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that its not their free connection to use. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that the owner of a cafe doesn't provide it for idiots in the parking lot or across the street... yet you guys want to play dumb like this is the 4th grade or something.

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                  • peeperpimp
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                    • Aug 2006
                    • 5105
                    #55
                    Originally posted by jacked
                    they should enact some sort of regulation that states any business that has wifi access available to their customers must use an encryption key if they want customers only to use it, all they would have to do is enable the security on the fuckin router it takes 5 minutes and a matter of a few clicks. if he feels it's a problem having a encryption key enabled you make up a card with the key on it when someone purchases something you hand them the card with the key on it... problem solved

                    otherwise it's open to everyone and it's their fault they hadn't done something to protect their network
                    Exactly
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                      • cattivo-3xeg
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                        • Aug 2006
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by peeperpimp
                        It shouldn't be ileagal, if cafe's got da connection opened to the Public its up for grabs...

                        what if I lived above the cafe and picked up the signal they have opened to share Then what? , I couldn't use it?...

                        Thats BS... If They don't want anyone to use it then they can make it private and give their patrons the password when patrons walk thru the door... (i.e. via text on the menu or sumthin)
                        absofuckinloutely that is such bullshit that he got arrested
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                          • directfiesta
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                            • Oct 2002
                            • 30174
                            #57
                            Amazing how some ( PP ) are stuborn .....

                            Let's say that instead of WiFi of a coffee shop, it is a Bar with music... Obviously, the owners of the bar expect the free music to bring them clients ( same situation as the wifi ).
                            Now, that music can also be heard in the parking lot of the bar ... You are there with friends ... you hear it, you sing along, you talk about that tune better then that other tune...
                            Did you commit a crime ??? Did you steal anything ???

                            Sure, the owner can be pissed that you don't come in ... he just has to put better sound insulation ( way more expensive than having a daily user/pass combination )...

                            The original law was intented to prevent newbies ( at home ) from having their wifi connection used for spam, phishing, etc ... Also, the newbies can be hit with overages if he has a limited plan ..

                            The coffe shop owner is supposed to be a busines man, not a newbie.
                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                              • baddog
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                                • Apr 2001
                                • 107089
                                #58
                                Originally posted by peeperpimp
                                It shouldn't be ileagal, if cafe's got da connection opened to the Public its up for grabs...

                                what if I lived above the cafe and picked up the signal they have opened to share Then what? , I couldn't use it?...

                                Thats BS... If They don't want anyone to use it then they can make it private and give their patrons the password when patrons walk thru the door... (i.e. via text on the menu or sumthin)
                                Buy a fucking cup of coffee. Just because it is free to customers doesn't mean it is free to losers.

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                                  • baddog
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                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 107089
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by RedShoe
                                    Take your laptop tp Maui. Open it up on any street in Kahului and you get internet. That's theivery?? Who the fuck am I supposed to pay? Just send a check into the city of Kahului? It's not a secure service. I mean you don't need an acces spas or anything. It just works.

                                    Upcountry I have a desktop and an actual paid connection but if we're out and about you can just get it. I mean it's an XP so it's always just connected to the wifi in town.

                                    And naw man, seriously I had no idea you had to pay for it.

                                    How do you pay for it though? Like if Starbucks has an open connection and 8 other stores in the area do as well, who do you pay?
                                    Cities offer free wifi. A business is different. You pay buy making a purchase in the Starbucks.

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                                      • peeperpimp
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                                        • Aug 2006
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                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                                        Amazing how some ( PP ) are stuborn .....

                                        Let's say that instead of WiFi of a coffee shop, it is a Bar with music... Obviously, the owners of the bar expect the free music to bring them clients ( same situation as the wifi ).
                                        Now, that music can also be heard in the parking lot of the bar ... You are there with friends ... you hear it, you sing along, you talk about that tune better then that other tune...
                                        Did you commit a crime ??? Did you steal anything ???

                                        Sure, the owner can be pissed that you don't come in ... he just has to put better sound insulation ( way more expensive than having a daily user/pass combination )...

                                        The original law was intented to prevent newbies ( at home ) from having their wifi connection used for spam, phishing, etc ... Also, the newbies can be hit with overages if he has a limited plan ..

                                        The coffe shop owner is supposed to be a busines man, not a newbie.
                                        What He said
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                                          • Fetish Gimp
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                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                            i can't believe you people are such children.

                                            i really dont care about anyone using someones wi-fi connection... BUT thats not the point. within the context of the discussion... EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that its not their free connection to use. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that the owner of a cafe doesn't provide it for idiots in the parking lot or across the street... yet you guys want to play dumb like this is the 4th grade or something.
                                            And the larger picture is that, although I can agree that, from an ethics point of view, using the guy's UNSECURED, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC wifi is wrong because he expects it to be used only by his customers although, let's repeat it, the connection is UNSECURED, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, the simple technological fact of the matter is that anyone passing by could use it either without knowing they should be in the cafe or assume, BECAUSE THE CONNECTION IS UNSECURED, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, that it isn't necessary.

                                            In a simpler form for those whose reading comprehension skills are those of a cocker spaniel: OPEN UNSECURED WIFI CONNECTION: PUBLIC ACCESS. CLOSED SECURED WIFI CONNECTION: PRIVATE ACCESS.
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                                              • peeperpimp
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                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                Buy a fucking cup of coffee. Just because it is free to customers doesn't mean it is free to losers.
                                                It's not bout the cup of coffee (anyone can buy a cup) if U'd read the thread its more about publicly accessible areas... (in my opinioin which I'm entitled to!)
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                                                  • Pleasurepays
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                                                    • Aug 2002
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                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                    Amazing how some ( PP ) are stuborn .....

                                                    Let's say that instead of WiFi of a coffee shop, it is a Bar with music... Obviously, the owners of the bar expect the free music to bring them clients ( same situation as the wifi ).
                                                    Now, that music can also be heard in the parking lot of the bar ... You are there with friends ... you hear it, you sing along, you talk about that tune better then that other tune...
                                                    Did you commit a crime ??? Did you steal anything ???
                                                    and its amazing to me that Canada hasn't forced you into sterilizing yourself and your immediate family.

                                                    the low, inaudible rumble of music happening inside a club that can kinda, sorta be heard outside of that club is hardly the same as using the same quality connection outside a coffee shop for free, when the owner is OBVIOUSLY providing that connection for patrons of his establishment.

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                                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 11913
                                                        #64
                                                        i didn't know i shouldn't have raped her.

                                                        her vagina was just sitting there doing nothing.

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                                                          • directfiesta
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 30174
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                            and its amazing to me that Canada hasn't forced you into sterilizing yourself and your immediate family.

                                                            the low, inaudible rumble of music happening inside a club that can kinda, sorta be heard outside of that club is hardly the same as using the same quality connection outside a coffee shop for free, when the owner is OBVIOUSLY providing that connection for patrons of his establishment.
                                                            pointless and weak ...

                                                            Who said the sound was " inaudible " ???

                                                            Who said that the wifi connection was as good as inside ????

                                                            YOU.

                                                            I run a PAYSITE ... if I don't protect it properly , I have only myself to blame
                                                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                              • baddog
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                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 107089
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                How is one suppose to know the terms of the service?
                                                                I honestly expected more from you.

                                                                Originally posted by mattz
                                                                That's the cafe's fault in my opinion, they should have a password to access it. When you pay, they then give you the password or something like that.
                                                                Right, make it inconvenient to the customer, that makes sense.

                                                                Originally posted by mattz
                                                                That's not comparable...places like Starbucks aren't giving it away for free, I know the Starbucks where I live you have to go inside and pay to use their wifi
                                                                You need to find another Starbucks. Should not be tough.

                                                                Originally posted by jacked
                                                                they should enact some sort of regulation that states any business that has wifi access available to their customers must use an encryption key if they want customers only to use it, all they would have to do is enable the security on the fuckin router it takes 5 minutes and a matter of a few clicks. if he feels it's a problem having a encryption key enabled you make up a card with the key on it when someone purchases something you hand them the card with the key on it... problem solved

                                                                otherwise it's open to everyone and it's their fault they hadn't done something to protect their network
                                                                Right, make it inconvenient to the customer, that makes sense.

                                                                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                i can't believe you people are such children.

                                                                i really dont care about anyone using someones wi-fi connection... BUT thats not the point. within the context of the discussion... EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that its not their free connection to use. EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that the owner of a cafe doesn't provide it for idiots in the parking lot or across the street... yet you guys want to play dumb like this is the 4th grade or something.
                                                                I was surprised when my attorney did not realize that he was violating a law when he was leeching off someone else's wifi

                                                                Originally posted by peeperpimp
                                                                It's not bout the cup of coffee (anyone can buy a cup) if U'd read the thread its more about publicly accessible areas... (in my opinioin which I'm entitled to!)
                                                                I read the thread, and although I have never seen your name before came to the quick conclusion that you are some kind of an idiot.

                                                                Nice to meet you.

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                                                                  • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                    • Apr 2004
                                                                    • 5835
                                                                    #67
                                                                    I'm going to open an oxygen bar and have everyone that walks by and breaths in some of the oxygen that leaks out arrested for not paying for it.

                                                                    Maybe I'll have a mural painted on the outside facade for my customers to look at. Anyone who walks by and just looks but doesn't shop will also be arrested.
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                                                                      • baddog
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                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                        I run a PAYSITE ... if I don't protect it properly , I have only myself to blame
                                                                        So, if someone hacks in, you don't have a problem with that, because your security wasn't good enough?

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                                                                          • baddog
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                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                            • 107089
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                            I'm going to open an oxygen bar and have everyone that walks by and breaths in some of the oxygen that leaks out arrested for not paying for it.
                                                                            dumb


                                                                            Maybe I'll have a mural painted on the outside facade for my customers to look at. Anyone who walks by and just looks but doesn't shop will also be arrested.
                                                                            Not even the same, and you know it

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                                                                              • ElPolloDiablo
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                                                                                • May 2007
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                                                                                #70
                                                                                A bandwidth thief is treated like a murderer.

                                                                                Only in America. ;)

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                                                                                  • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                    • Apr 2004
                                                                                    • 5835
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                    when the owner is OBVIOUSLY providing that connection for patrons of his establishment.
                                                                                    Maybe he's providing it so people will stick around and when they get thirsty or hungry he is banking on getting their business.
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                                                                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                        • 11913
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                        I run a PAYSITE ... if I don't protect it properly , I have only myself to blame
                                                                                        Dude... seriously. get fucking real with the retarded analogies. its not about you running a paysite and leaving security holes... its about users realizing they can get into your paysite for free and doing it. thats theft. just because you are somewhat negligent in how you run your business, doesn't give everyone else a green light to steal from you or to freely access what they FULLY KNOW is content restricted to paying members... and knowing that they aren't paying and should be.

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                                                                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 11913
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                            Maybe he's providing it so people will stick around and when they get thirsty or hungry he is banking on getting their business.
                                                                                            where did i say i was a mind reader?

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                                                                                              • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                                                • 5835
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                You know when you login to a hotel WiFi and they have the home page that loads for the first time when you are connecting? If the cafe had a page like that which states the terms of use then it would make sense.

                                                                                                Sorta like when you see a bathroom with a sign that says restrooms for customers only.
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                                                                                                  • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                    • 11913
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                    You know when you login to a hotel WiFi and they have the home page that loads for the first time when you are connecting? If the cafe had a page like that which states the terms of use then it would make sense.

                                                                                                    Sorta like when you see a bathroom with a sign that says restrooms for customers only.
                                                                                                    this is obviously an issue of people not understanding the technology and the law poorly covering this area.

                                                                                                    regardless... that doesn't give everyone a green light to knowingly just steal because they dreamed up some 3rd grade rationalization for it.

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                                                                                                      • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                        where did i say i was a mind reader?
                                                                                                        You said "EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE understands that the owner of a cafe doesn't provide it for idiots in the parking lot or across the street."

                                                                                                        I'm arguing that maybe he does.
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                                                                                                          • D
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                                                                                                            • Jan 2006
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                                                                                                            #77


                                                                                                            I blame warez, torrents, and other P2P dealios for a lot of the sense of entitlement in this thread.

                                                                                                            The whole "I want what I want and I don't want to have to pay for it" thing.

                                                                                                            I mean, why earn what you partake in, when it's easier to grab it at someone else's expense?

                                                                                                            People have been justifying stealing so long in the computing community, this is just another day at the office.

                                                                                                            /
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                                                                                                              • peeperpimp
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                                                                                                                • 5105
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                I read the thread, and although I have never seen your name before came to the quick conclusion that you are some kind of an idiot.

                                                                                                                Nice to meet you.
                                                                                                                nice to meet you too, never would have thought someone like you would be showing so much ignorance, while having an intelectual conversation (i.e. Quick conclusions???) thought you'd be better than that...

                                                                                                                Well, to each his own, have a nice day
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                                                                                                                  • rapmaster
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                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                    This guy wouldn't have been caught if he didn't open his big mouth. All he had to say is that he was checking his e-mail and no you cannot have a look at my computer.
                                                                                                                    I agree with you there

                                                                                                                    Gotta know your rights, I carry my attorney's card with me at all times - it has a nice little note to any LEOs/ anyone who's hassling me

                                                                                                                    works like a charm.
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                                                                                                                      • rapmaster
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                        You know when you login to a hotel WiFi and they have the home page that loads for the first time when you are connecting? If the cafe had a page like that which states the terms of use then it would make sense.

                                                                                                                        Sorta like when you see a bathroom with a sign that says restrooms for customers only.
                                                                                                                        If you go to a Staples store, they do this. There's wifi in the store and you hav to agree to their contract before you can get on the web.
                                                                                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P226

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                                                                                                                          • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                            • 30174
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                            So, if someone hacks in, you don't have a problem with that, because your security wasn't good enough?
                                                                                                                            Absolutely ...

                                                                                                                            Should I call the cops ... get the guy arrested ...
                                                                                                                            If he can come in, tough I protected the access, I need to review my security.

                                                                                                                            In the case here, the coffee shop owner didn't even attempt to protect the access (ie = limit it to his customer ) ...

                                                                                                                            Amazing how every fucking discussion involving americans boils down to left and right, dems and gop ....
                                                                                                                            Scary ....
                                                                                                                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                              • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                this is obviously an issue of people not understanding the technology and the law poorly covering this area.

                                                                                                                                regardless... that doesn't give everyone a green light to knowingly just steal because they dreamed up some 3rd grade rationalization for it.
                                                                                                                                Quite the opposite, this is a case of the law not understanding the technology. The technology allows you to secure networks that you don't want just anyone to access.
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                                                                                                                                  • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                    Dude... seriously. get fucking real with the retarded analogies. its not about you running a paysite and leaving security holes... its about users realizing they can get into your paysite for free and doing it. thats theft. just because you are somewhat negligent in how you run your business, doesn't give everyone else a green light to steal from you or to freely access what they FULLY KNOW is content restricted to paying members... and knowing that they aren't paying and should be.
                                                                                                                                    winner of the idiot prize .

                                                                                                                                    Don't you have a GOP meeting to attend ?
                                                                                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                      • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by rapmaster
                                                                                                                                        If you go to a Staples store, they do this. There's wifi in the store and you hav to agree to their contract before you can get on the web.
                                                                                                                                        Exactly the way it should be if someone has issues users on their network.

                                                                                                                                        Lets say the cafe only wants people to use the network if they spend at least $10 an hour. If they don't have a way to let people know this then I don't think the users who only bought $5 worth of coffee should be arrested. Call me crazy.
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                                                                                                                                          • D
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            I can go into my apartment, scan for network connections, and find a half-dozen connects at any given time - at least half of which are not secured.

                                                                                                                                            Does that mean I have the right to log onto one of those connects, and start running every bandwidth-heavy application I can think of?

                                                                                                                                            I don't think it does. I don't think any sensible adult would think so, either.

                                                                                                                                            And I also think that my personal rights and liberties in my own residence would be greater than in a public location.

                                                                                                                                            So, if I shouldn't do it at home - what justifies doing it in public?
                                                                                                                                            -D.
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                                                                                                                                              • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                                                                                In the case here, the coffee shop owner didn't even attempt to protect the access (ie = limit it to his customer ) ...
                                                                                                                                                Nor did he think it was illegal to access from outside according to the article lets not forget.

                                                                                                                                                Again this is just a cop with nothing to do.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by D
                                                                                                                                                    I can go into my apartment, scan for network connections, and find a half-dozen connects at any given time - at least half of which are not secured.

                                                                                                                                                    Does that mean I have the right to log onto one of those connects, and start running every bandwidth-heavy application I can think of?

                                                                                                                                                    I don't think it does. I don't think any sensible adult would think so, either.

                                                                                                                                                    And I also think that my personal rights and liberties in my own residence would be greater than in a public location.

                                                                                                                                                    So, if I shouldn't do it at home - what justifies doing it in public?
                                                                                                                                                    If you have a store with a sign that says OPEN and an UNLOCKED door during hours when you are CLOSED will you have someone arrested for walking in?

                                                                                                                                                    Why have someone arrested when you have an OPEN wireless network that DOESN'T require a password or an agreement to a TOS?
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                                                                                                                                                      • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Ah, whatever. My morals, your lack of morals, it's all good.

                                                                                                                                                        My morals state that I don't access the internet from the street or a parking lot. I actually go into the establishment and order something, and then use their connection that they offer to paying customers. Period.

                                                                                                                                                        If YOUR moral compass is telling you north is south and it's perfectly okay to break the law then knock yourself out, why should I care?

                                                                                                                                                        I predict more and more idiots are going to be getting caught and fined or otherwise punished for this though, whether *you* think it's right or not.

                                                                                                                                                        Everyone, really... have a nice day. :D
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                                                                                                                                                          • peeperpimp
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                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                            Nor did he think it was illegal to access from outside according to the article lets not forget.

                                                                                                                                                            Again this is just a cop with nothing to do.
                                                                                                                                                            Exactly
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                                                                                                                                                              • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                • 5835
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                Ah, whatever. My morals, your lack of morals, it's all good.

                                                                                                                                                                My morals state that I don't access the internet from the street or a parking lot. I actually go into the establishment and order something, and then use their connection that they offer to paying customers. Period.

                                                                                                                                                                If YOUR moral compass is telling you north is south and it's perfectly okay to break the law then knock yourself out, why should I care?

                                                                                                                                                                I predict more and more idiots are going to be getting caught and fined or otherwise punished for this though, whether *you* think it's right or not.

                                                                                                                                                                Everyone, really... have a nice day. :D
                                                                                                                                                                Some cities offer free wireless to all residents. How do you know when it's free or not?
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                                                                                                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                                    Nor did he think it was illegal to access from outside according to the article lets not forget.

                                                                                                                                                                    Again this is just a cop with nothing to do.
                                                                                                                                                                    Actually, the cop felt something was wrong, he just wasn't sure.

                                                                                                                                                                    Just like the guy in the car probably knew something was wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • D
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                                        • 7412
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                                        If you have a store with a sign that says OPEN and an UNLOCKED door during hours when you are CLOSED will you have someone arrested for walking in?
                                                                                                                                                                        No... but I might decide to do something about it if they decided to grab a 6-pack of beer on their way out the door.

                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                                        Why have someone arrested when you have an OPEN wireless network that DOESN'T require a password or an agreement to a TOS?
                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think that I would... in fact, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't. But I'm not everyone, and I certainly feel people should have the right to choose to do so or not for networks that they own.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Fetish Gimp
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by D
                                                                                                                                                                            I can go into my apartment, scan for network connections, and find a half-dozen connects at any given time - at least half of which are not secured.

                                                                                                                                                                            Does that mean I have the right to log onto one of those connects, and start running every bandwidth-heavy application I can think of?
                                                                                                                                                                            And how do you know it doesn't?

                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe your neighbours are leaving their wifi unsecured so that people who can't afford net access can piggy back onto their public and unsecured network because goddarn it, they're just that generous and you gotta pay it forward like Oprah says y'now?

                                                                                                                                                                            Because god knows that anybody who has a fucking CLUE and would not want people to use their bandwidth would secure their shit up, right?
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                                                                                                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                                                Some cities offer free wireless to all residents. How do you know when it's free or not?
                                                                                                                                                                                I am pretty sure you realize that networks are named. You don't think that a network named San Jose WiFi vs Sally's Coffee Shop wifi might help clue you in to whether or not it is a free, city provided wifi?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 5835
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                    I am pretty sure you realize that networks are named. You don't think that a network named San Jose WiFi vs Sally's Coffee Shop wifi might help clue you in to whether or not it is a free, city provided wifi?
                                                                                                                                                                                    What if Bill's Coffee shop has free wireless because he knows people sticking around will soon be thirsty? The network owners need to disclose the terms or secure the network. Simple as that.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • _Richard_
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        i can't beleive the guy got a $400 fine and 40 work hours.. after completely admitting to it? This is the cafes fault, not the person. It's like finding a shovel, picking it up to use it, and getting fined for "use of services"? give me a break

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                                                            Some cities offer free wireless to all residents. How do you know when it's free or not?
                                                                                                                                                                                            how do you know when every single thing you see on the street isn't free or not?

                                                                                                                                                                                            because the law and most rational people assume its not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually, the cop felt something was wrong, he just wasn't sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Just like the guy in the car probably knew something was wrong.
                                                                                                                                                                                                not according to the article

                                                                                                                                                                                                prosecutors do not plan to throw the book at him, as they don't believe that Peterson was aware he was even breaking the law.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • D
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 7412
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sagi_AFF
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Some cities offer free wireless to all residents. How do you know when it's free or not?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Fetish Gimp
                                                                                                                                                                                                    And how do you know it doesn't?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe your neighbours are leaving their wifi unsecured so that people who can't afford net access can piggy back onto their public and unsecured network because goddarn it, they're just that generous and you gotta pay it forward like Oprah says y'now?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's all about express permission, imho.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    In the case of the city opening up a connect to all residents of a city I live in, I would have express permission from the city to utilize that connect.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    In the case of my neighbors, unless I've discussed the matter with them, or their network is named "FREEFORALL_ENJOY" or something, I do not have that express permission - and therefore, I feel it'd be wrong of me to use it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I'm not paying for something that requires a cost to someone, and I do not have express permission from the someone footing the bill to use that something... it's stealing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    How well they lock it up or not has absolutely no bearing on that, I think.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                                                        how do you know when every single thing you see on the street isn't free or not?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        because the law and most rational people assume its not.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        When I walk into a bank and I see candies out on the table I assume it's free. I also assume that open WiFi is free.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by Penthouse Tony; 05-25-2007, 10:04 AM.
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