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Also, to flip this to the other side of the coin, there's a lot of young people coming up today that do go back and listen and admire Led Zeppelin & Pink Floyd - and yet, on the opposite side, so many of the generation that was alive when those bands were coming out have not continued to stay current with new rock music - there have been plenty of great rock artists since Led Zeppelin, but many older people make absolutely no effort to keep up with current music and then complain that they don't know any of the current bands.perfectly said.
I know the names and their bands, but I wouldn't recognize any of those guys unlesss they had a name tag on.
Snoop Dog I'd recognize, and I don't even like rap.
You nailed it.
As to "perspective" and "when you grew up", I don't agree with that. I grew up in the 70's, but I can fully or at least somewhat appreciate the iconic hugeness of 50's rock stars, Elvis, the Beatles, Dion, Fabien, Buddy Holly, etc. You don't have to have lived through an era to appreciate that level of greatness and fame.
Too bad so many kids today who grew up in the 80's and 90's have little or no concept of giving the "gods" their due.Calling Jagger, Plant, Daltry, Morrisson, etc "old farts" just smacks of someone who knows shit about rock history and having no sense of respect for the music. How can you say you love rock yet not know enough to give a nod to the gods who led the way?
y'know what, there's bands that have come out in the 90s and there's bands that are coming out today that are every bit just as good as the major rock bands of the 60s & 70s. The "classic" bands get all the credit because they came first. Fine, that's great. But don't dismiss or ignore all the new music that's coming out simply because you haven't made the effort to broaden your horizons beyond music that came out 30+ years ago. That music was great for it's time, but there's a whole other world of rock music that's come out since then, that's every bit as valid and just as important
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Rock is not dead quite yet...many on my list (in addition to the ones listed previously) are still active recording and touring, although not necessarily with the bands listed)...
Alice in Chains - Jerry Cantrell (his real name BTW)
Stone Temple Pilots - Scott Weiland (definitely lived the rock star life)
Rage Against the Machine - Tom Morello (also with Audio Slave - recently headlined the Coachella Music Festival)
Then there are bands like the Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Green Day, Offspring, Korn, Linkin Park, Tool, Papa Roach, and many others who may not have front men with household names, but they can still rock the house...
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Kurt IS the last rock making Rockstar. I can go along with that.
I don't know that if Kurt hadn't died he would be as large in our minds though. He was a fairly boring guy if you think about it. Kinda a post-emo pussy in a way (the original emo).
Pearl Jam and The Stone Temple Pilots were much more interesting. Even the Foo Fighters bring more to the game than they did.
But, Nirvana hit at the perfect time. MTV was at it's cultural peak as far as being a music network goes. Grunge, the trend, was at it's peak. Nevermind was about as classic as classic gets.
But, on the other hand when we say Rock Star we think Bono, Mick, Steven, Jimi... if you really think about it does Kurt belong in that crowd with one classic album and an overdose?
Truthfully, probably not. Death works wonders for fame.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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hahaha, Baddog, you know that's over the hill. She'd probably go out with Ringo too if he showed up. Ask a 24 year old will ya?Originally posted by baddog;
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the rockstars have been replaced by the Brittney Spears' and Justin Timperlakes.Comment
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Well I wouldn't go that far.
Knowing like I do how incredibly huge many of those classic bands were back then and how their music and their style influenced so many artists in later years, I'm sorry but they are in a zone all their own. That doesn't mean what I'm saying has to diminish or take anything away from many of today's top rockers, but I'm with Baddog on this one... his question asked "is there anyone of THAT calibre out since 1990?" and my answer is "very few" as in maybe a small handful.
By "you" I hope you mean everyone, and you're not speaking directly at me. Because if you are you're way off base. I may not know all of the rock bands' names who cut a CD 5 minutes ago but I do like some of the newer stuff that's come out in the past 15 years. Some of it I like very much in fact.The "classic" bands get all the credit because they came first. Fine, that's great. But don't dismiss or ignore all the new music that's coming out simply because you haven't made the effort to broaden your horizons beyond music that came out 30+ years ago. That music was great for it's time, but there's a whole other world of rock music that's come out since then, that's every bit as valid and just as important
And again, those people I mentioned, friends, family members and aquaintances that I know who love tunes from outside of their childhood era, all love and collect a lot of newer stuff as well. All of them. So at least in part your argument doesn't hold water. But you're right, there are a lot of idiots out there who can't give credit where credit is due, on that we can agree on.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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but would also like to add, I think among the living rock stars, Trent Reznor is every bit as iconic. There's 18 year old chicks to this day, where their whole life's ambition is to possibly meet and/or bang Trent, heh. NIN totally brought industrial to the mainstream - he's a total rock star - he has the mystique where you really don't know that much about him or his personal life and, sorry, but no matter what anyone says, the man is a fucking musical genius.Comment
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It's funny you say that CD Smith. I would say the young parents of today ie: the 35-45 crowd, have more in common musically with their kids than any other generation ever. They may not go to the same shows but they will listen to the same radio stations and watch the same videos.
But, try to tell that to the kids. They will deny it til they turn blue. HahahaI've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Scott Weiland just signed a friend of mine to his label. I didnt get a chance to hang out with Scott yet, but I will. The artists name is Tommy Joe Wilson, and its country of course. My best friend has a cut on the album and it will be probably the second single released. So right now Im a fan of Scott hehe.
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Originally posted by badmunchkin;
Nobody here will deny he's a musical genius. Lots of the guys mentioned are. But if you can walk down the street and no one knows who the fuck you are you are NOT a Rockstar. Manson and even Twiggy were more Rockstar-ish than him.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Mariah Carey
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all the american idol kids. Yes theyre rock stars, they sell more albums and tickets than most rock starsComment
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It's the truth though. When I was a kid, unless you had really young parents, most parent's did not listen to or identify with "our music" at all. My parents listened mostly to Paul Anka, Dean Martin, classical stuff from the 30's and 40's, big band era stuff, etc. My mom loved guys like Belafonte, Wayne Newton, Ricky Nelson... but the one artist who tied those generations together was ELVIS. Kids and parents alike loved that guy.
But today things have changed. MOST parents of today's generation listed to rock growing up, so there's so much more that ties the generations together. Why just recently I was sitting in the kitchen of a friend, this woman in her early 50's who has 5 daughters. Her youngest one was present, and the radio was on... it was a Led Zepellin tune, and the mother was singing along to it. Her kids looks at her all surprised and says "Mom... you KNOW the words to this song??"
I laughed like hell.
Her reply: "I know where I was when that song was first released"
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Dude, that's saying nothing. All of this guy's fans would recognize him too:
Do you know who he is? No? Don't be ashamed, a lot of people don't. He's Tego Calderon. Like Trent is to industrial he is arguably the godfather of a genre too. Reggaeton. Ask any any fan of reggaeton and they will praise him as if you should care. But, most music fans don't know who he is. The same goes for Trent. The fans of that limited genre know... everyone else... ehh, not so much.
Heh, sadly I'm willing to bet there's more people in America that knows what Tego looks like over Trent.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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not true because even the average people that don't recognize him as Trent Reznor still recognize him as Professor SnapeDude, that's saying nothing. All of this guy's fans would recognize him too:
Do you know who he is? No? Don't be ashamed, a lot of people don't. He's Tego Calderon. Like Trent is to industrial he is arguably the godfather of a genre too. Reggaeton. Ask any any fan of reggaeton and they will praise him as if you should care. But, most music fans don't know who he is. The same goes for Trent. The fans of that limited genre know... everyone else... ehh, not so much.
Heh, sadly I'm willing to bet there's more people in America that knows what Tego looks like over Trent.
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Eh, these kids and their devil music..... not like back in my day....Abra-cadabra!Comment
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If we're going by whether anyone would recognize the "rock star" if they walked into a room, then I'll add Geddy Lee to the list of Gods. Started in the late 60's and still going strong today, Rush really should be ranked up there with the rest who've been mentioned.
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Somehow Neal Peart has more respect than any other Canadian artist among musicians.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Originally posted by badmunchkin;not true because even the average people that don't recognize him as Trent Reznor still recognize him as Professor Snape
I met Trent in 1995. He has aged so much would you believe I didn't even make the connection that was him in the movie until you mentioned it just now. That speaks volumes.
Oh, Steve you are hilarious! Old fogey!
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it's actually Alan Rickman but they copied his "look" almost exactly from trent and everyone always makes the comparison - it was just a little joke on my part - he would still be recognized as someone he's not
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I don't really get the whole "recognizing" thing anyways - that has to do with being a "product" not a rock god. To me there are no bigger rock gods then Pink Floyd and their own fans didn't recognize them. They specifically said once after a show they went out where all the fans were leaving the show and not one single fan recognized them But they are rock gods unquestionably and nonetheless. To me most of the recognizable rockers like Kiss & Kid Rock are just utterly cheeseball - who cares if you can recognize them - they still suck.
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Anyone wanting to read up about the history of Rush should check this site out... (turn speakers off, cheesy embedded music alert!)
http://www.erikandanna.com/Rush/history_of_rush.htm
There's a ton of stuff I didn't know about the band and it's 3 members in there. Long read but well worth the effort.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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actually the more I think about this, the more wrong I think you are. That's pop star bullshit - Madonna and Michael Jackson - you look at Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or even Black Sabbath who were the original rock stars and the inspiration for 90% of rock music today and none of those guys were that recognizable - sure everyone knows Ozzy today, but they know him more for a sitcom on MTV then for being a rock star - 20 years ago your average American housewife would see him in a mall and just think he was some freak
Most of the rock artists who have had music that has stood the test of time have not been that recognizable - and have kept themselves off the radar for the most part. Maynard from Tool is a rock star - Trent Reznor is a rock star - Robert Plant, Ozzy, Chris Cornell, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Brian Johnson, Jimmy Page, - y'know what - your average person on the street wouldn't "recognize" any of those guys (except Ozzy & only 'cuz of his show)
The guys who play the celeb game are usually talentless bottom feeders - who cares if Kid Rock or Fred Durst are in the news tomorrow? I mean, c'mon, is that your definition of a rock star? That's not being a rock star - that's hollywood squares bullshit - none of those guys will have any lasting effect on music as we know it & they sure as hell don't define rock star to anyone with taste in music
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There is nothing worse than American Rock (now). You have to look at the Brits.AAComment
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The majority here haven't heard of Marylin Manson? I am not the biggest fan but Manson as an individual has reached the 'rock star' level as far as recognition and being 'mythical' to a degree. He has scared parents and packed out stadiums for over a decade (heck, I knew about him in high school and I graduated in 1995). By the same reason that Snoop was included I would say Manson qualifies.Comment
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Maynard James Keenan - Tool
If you think Trent Reznor was after 1990 than you have to say Mike Patton was to.
So Mike Patton (mad scientist of rock) - Faith No More - Mr Bungle- Fantomas -Tomahawk Go to a show and tell me he isnt a rock star
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Part of the reason everyone knows them is because they died young. Especially Morrison...probably one of the most overrated singers of our time. I like some of their music but I don't think they deserve the attention they seem to get. If he hadn't OD'd, would Oliver Stone have made a movie about him? Probably not.Comment
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i'd go with cobain and mansonComment
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Gallagher Brothers for sureBryan
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not much for sure...they will need few more years to become big anyway,they are just 10-15 yrs old
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Guns N' Roses was the last "rock star" type band. Even though they were formed in the 80's they hit "rock star" status in 91-92 when they were the most popular band in the world.
No other bands have come even close in terms of popularity or music. Even if you count grunge like Nirvana and angry "anti-pop" corporate bullshit like marilyn manson they still come nowhere close.Comment
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