Having a discussion with a friend . . . who would you consider to be a rock star that came into prominence since 1990? Not a resurgence, but started 1990 or later
Any "rock stars" since 1990?
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Not that I am a fan - but maybe Kid Rock?

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His music kinda sucks - but I would say that he lives pretty close to a "rock star" life as the classic ones.

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Marylin Manson.
Kurt Cobain.
Lenny Kravitz although he came in the late 80's as Romeo Blue
Those are the only guys who have anything to do with rock that are universally recognizeable and adored for both the music and personality.
Now, the title Rock Star becomes a question of semantics because technically Snoop Dogg and a few other rappers are really the guys who exude the whole "Rock Star" bad boy image that everyone knows.
Rock guys turned into pussies that men don't want to be and women don't want to fuck around 1995. Green Day? Dave Grohl? Fall Out Boy? I like the music but I'd hate to have them backing me up in a bar fight.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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A ton of people - Chris Cornell, Eddie Veddar, Layne Staley, Rob Zombie, Scott Stapp, Trent Reznor, Marilyn Manson - many others but that's what comes to mindComment
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I would guess the majority of people don't know who most of them are, which means they arn't are rockstar. Everyone knows who Hendrix, Morrison ect are
I only know a few from the list you postedComment
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I mean, they don't change their names after they set a name. Hendrix did not start off as Johnny Hendrix.
Besides, Kravitz is a copy cat, not an influence.Comment
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Chris Cornell - lead singer of Soundgarden & Audioslave, 2 of the biggest bands in the world - total rock star
Eddie Veddar - Pearl Jam - ring any bells?
Layne Staley - one of the best vocalists ever - Alice in Chains RIP
Rob Zombie - how can anyone not know Rob Zombie? total fucking horror movie king rock star
Scott Stapp - Creed - yea, I don't like them but he had the rock star image and that band sold more records then any rock bands in recent memory
Trent Reznor - Nine Inch Nails
Marilyn Manson - no explanation neededComment
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I like the Doors and Zeppelin & Hendrix as much as anybody but Audioslave & Soundgarden are hugely influential in modern rock - Chris Cornell always had the swagger, the attitude and the voice of a total rock star (motherfucker can sing!) and those bands sold tons of albums so not really sure what planet you're on but he's about as rock star as it gets
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Soundgarden was started in 1984. Doesn't qualify.I like the Doors and Zeppelin & Hendrix as much as anybody but Audioslave & Soundgarden are hugely influential in modern rock - Chris Cornell always had the swagger, the attitude and the voice of a total rock star (motherfucker can sing!) and those bands sold tons of albums so not really sure what planet you're on but he's about as rock star as it gets

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Trent Reznor is the only one from that list imo.Chris Cornell - lead singer of Soundgarden & Audioslave, 2 of the biggest bands in the world - total rock star
Eddie Veddar - Pearl Jam - ring any bells?
Layne Staley - one of the best vocalists ever - Alice in Chains RIP
Rob Zombie - how can anyone not know Rob Zombie? total fucking horror movie king rock star
Scott Stapp - Creed - yea, I don't like them but he had the rock star image and that band sold more records then any rock bands in recent memory
Trent Reznor - Nine Inch Nails
Marilyn Manson - no explanation neededComment
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ok, you got me there - fair enough
I knew they started pre-90 but they didn't get major popularity until the 90s so I always consider them a 90s band - actually Nine Inch Nails Pretty Hate Machine came out 1989 but everyone still considers them a 90s band
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They are one of 4 bands that were in the center of an entire musical movement that dominated the early 90s - I'd say that's majorly popular, not to mention:
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Noel & Liam Gallagher, Billy Corgan, Marilyn Manson, Billy Joe Armstrong...
I think it's so difficult now because bands are often just the flavor of the month. In many ways after the singles stop coming they are forgotten about until the next album.
There are a ton of bands breaking into the spotlight for a short period of time rather than a handful of bands hogging it. So we don't really have the music icons anymore.Comment
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None these days strike me as being as iconic and "huge rock star"-ish as a Hendrix, Robert Plant, Jagger, Roger Daltry, John Lennon, Elton John, etc etc.
Those guys are gods.
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that's because MTV & radio kind of pushed this whole urban thing for so long; it really hurt rock music in general - now kids are finally getting sick of rap - hip hop sales are way down for the first time and rock is starting to make a resurgence - the icons have been rappers for a long time and they just don't have the same mystique as rock stars - hopefully it will keep turning around for the better...Comment
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He's as close as it gets.
I would have said Axel Rose but they started in the late 80's. He and Slash grew to a high status in the early 90's though, so I'd say those two.
But neither strike me as anywhere close to those previously mentioned by Baddog and myself.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

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The definition of a rock star is an recording artist who is universally known.
He or she can go into a club full of the most ghetto black people or the most white trash rednecks and most of the people would not only recognize that person but they would also know some of his songs.
Not to mention being able to travel worldwide and not be able to walk down the street without being swamped for autographs.
Chris Cornell - He could walk into a mallrat shopping mall and most people wouldn't recognize him.
Eddie Veddar - Same for Eddie, unless he started singing over the PA... they might think its Daughtry though.
Layne Staley - Nope, not a chance.
Rob Zombie - Somewhat.
Scott Stapp - Nope. Doesn't fit the description.
Trent Reznor - I like trent and his music, I have even met him but I still might not even recognize him in a crowd.
None of them can even stand next to Snoop Dogg without getting trampled.
All the current Rockstars of the last 17 years are Rappers.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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one other comment about this - I think who you consider to be a rock god also all depends on when you grew up - I respect Elton John, Plant, Morrison, Hendrix and all those guys, but a lot of people who came up in the 90s or even today consider Trent Reznor a god and think Roger Daltrey or Elton John are nothing but boring old farts
so it all depends on your perspetive
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You are absolutely right... except about the mystique part. The top rappers have it in spades. Bad Boys, against the law, scares your parents... etc.Originally posted by badmunchkin;that's because MTV & radio kind of pushed this whole urban thing for so long; it really hurt rock music in general - now kids are finally getting sick of rap - hip hop sales are way down for the first time and rock is starting to make a resurgence - the icons have been rappers for a long time and they just don't have the same mystique as rock stars - hopefully it will keep turning around for the better...
All rock needs now are some bad ass white boys to pick up the slack. What happened to all the rebels? Tommy Lee, David Lee Roth, Steven Tyler etc. All I see are guys with eyeliner and tight pants. WTF is that about?Last edited by Pornwolf; 05-07-2007, 09:54 PM.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Is not this thread all about perspective ?
Now even from the names above from CD, I PERSONALLY would not use Plant or even Daltry in the same sentence as Hendrix, Jagger, John or Lennon, but then yet again I also agree, because in my mind not even Marilyn Manson would rate on that "2nd's list" as rock stars IMHO, as would pretty much nobody except **maybe** Cobain.
The rappers redefined living and partying like rockstars, but in terms of longevity or influence over multiple generations ?
Not every household has even a RUN DMC album, but be sure someone, somewhere has something by the Stones.
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perfectly said.The definition of a rock star is an recording artist who is universally known.
He or she can go into a club full of the most ghetto black people or the most white trash rednecks and most of the people would not only recognize that person but they would also know some of his songs.
Not to mention being able to travel worldwide and not be able to walk down the street without being swamped for autographs.
Chris Cornell - He could walk into a mallrat shopping mall and most people wouldn't recognize him.
Eddie Veddar - Same for Eddie, unless he started singing over the PA... they might think its Daughtry though.
Layne Staley - Nope, not a chance.
Rob Zombie - Somewhat.
Scott Stapp - Nope. Doesn't fit the description.
Trent Reznor - I like trent and his music, I have even met him but I still might not even recognize him in a crowd.
None of them can even stand next to Snoop Dogg without getting trampled.
All the current Rockstars of the last 17 years are Rappers.
I know the names and their bands, but I wouldn't recognize any of those guys unlesss they had a name tag on.
Snoop Dog I'd recognize, and I don't even like rap.
You nailed it.
As to "perspective" and "when you grew up", I don't agree with that. I grew up in the 70's, but I can fully or at least somewhat appreciate the iconic hugeness of 50's rock stars, Elvis, the Beatles, Dion, Fabien, Buddy Holly, etc. You don't have to have lived through an era to appreciate that level of greatness and fame.
Too bad so many kids today who grew up in the 80's and 90's have little or no concept of giving the "gods" their due.Calling Jagger, Plant, Daltry, Morrisson, etc "old farts" just smacks of someone who knows shit about rock history and having no sense of respect for the music. How can you say you love rock yet not know enough to give a nod to the gods who led the way?Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

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Oh good Lord.....
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Yeah, I was going to day, David Coverdale IS Whitesnake.Oh good Lord.....
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Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters are great and they put on an amazing show live too which I think is a big part of being a Rock Star. Plus I'm not sure how many people could step out from behind the drums and be a great frontman but he pulled it off.Comment
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I don't know if you're referring to me personally or just younger people in general, but I already stated I am majorly influenced by most of those bands, even though they aren't of my generation. Jim Morrison was always a total god to me. I love Led Zeppelin - Pink Floyd is one of my favorite bands of all time. Out of that list, though, honestly I always hated Roger Daltry and the Who and I still do, heh, I think they are completely and utterly overrated. But that's just my personal 2 cents.As to "perspective" and "when you grew up", I don't agree with that. I grew up in the 70's, but I can fully or at least somewhat appreciate the iconic hugeness of 50's rock stars, Elvis, the Beatles, Dion, Fabien, Buddy Holly, etc. You don't have to have lived through an era to appreciate that level of greatness and fame.
Too bad so many kids today who grew up in the 80's and 90's have little or no concept of giving the "gods" their due.Calling Jagger, Plant, Daltry, Morrisson, etc "old farts" just smacks of someone who knows shit about rock history and having no sense of respect for the music. How can you say you love rock yet not know enough to give a nod to the gods who led the way?
I think this is generational more then you would admit - there's tons of people who were into Zeppelin in the 70s and thought Elvis was music for their parents. Then the Sex Pistols and punk rock came along - kids went punk rock & called bands like Led Zeppelin "dinosaur rock" - and so on and so on. There's kids coming up today who already think Trent Reznor is too old and that Bright Eyes or My Chemical Romance or god knows what other emo crap bands are rock gods - rock music has always been a generational thing. The people who have an appreciation for the entire history of rock music are few & far between...Comment
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If me and Dave Grohl are standing next to each other at any random bar I bet I would have a good shot at pulling more women than he would.
That means he is not a Rock Star. Just a fairly well known musician.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Of course I was referring to young people in general.
I was more directing my comments to what CTB said above me (and not him personally either, but to everyone in general)
I'd say then that I guess I'm one of the exceptions, except that I know plenty of people who love rock from the 50's, 60's, 70's on up to some of the newer stuff. The only hitch is, just about all of them grew up in the 60's and 70's, like me.
I know of very few kids today who listen to and appreciate the classics and give those songs and artists their due, so you're right in that sense.
But I'm afraid I have no appreciation for someone who is too wet behind the ears and lacks the sense to know or at least want to know and understand just how amazing classic rock is, and how legendary and great the artists that created it are.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!

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