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Old 11-25-2010, 06:30 PM  
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon View Post
oh, i get it. you recently saw this movie so now you are a revolutionary. i saw it too. what i got from it was that moore wanted to blame capitalism for the greedy actions of people under it. i blame the people. you can take away capitalism and people will still fight to have the 'most' of something. its a part of human nature.
I do not think that was the conclusion from the film.

I think it was saying that the system could work, but certain businesses make more cash by exploiting the poor.

For instance why throw people out of there homes when you could simply let them pay rent. The banks own the property.

Also its now been accepted that it was wrong to allow banks (both UK and USA) to have no rules. This allowed banks to do crazy things.

It was interestinbg to see that some firms in the usa had become co-ops. And they (workers) owned the business. I have seen this too in the UK where peoplke have done managment buyouts and now own the firm. One mining firm did this. Also one of the major shop chains operates like this. Its becoming a popular method and apears to increase profits.

Though I am not sure this mode would work for all businesses. But I cannot help to think that rather than shutting a business and selling its assets off, it may be better to sell to the workforce.

i do think america has lost its way in many ways. i think its alowed a minority of firms take over. its lost the small family businesses which were great. we see it both in the uk and usa, small sucsessfull firms being purchased by the giants.

it simply ends up with a situation of make as much profit as thats all thats important. indeed many have posted in this thread thats all they think is important.

there was a time when a person had pride in there business. it was not about profit at any cost.

for instance my nan made loose covers. now she could have easily rented a cheap building. hired out lots of machists and made lots of covers to order.

but she prefered to have quality. she would do all the work. for her the profit was irelavent. it was pride. she had the pride to make somthing of very high quality that would last for years.

she never advertised as all the work was word of mouth. often she had to turn job offers away.

But with large firms, they simply do not care. In the uk we have a tv show called watchdog, and each week we hear about how big firms just offer no customer service. just take the cash, offer the basics, and count the cash.

In the UK we have this drawrf called Lord Sugar. He runs the UK version of the apprentace. All he is interested in is profit.

And this is where we have come to.

Do you want to live in a world thats just about profit. And forget the impact on people or the planet, or the quality of service or products.

Or do you want to live in a world where a company has pride in what it does and what it delivers.

Can you imagine if you purchased a pc and found a fault. And the managing director found out and was devistated. And he did everything he could to sort it out. How good would you feel.

But i bet if you get a fault on your pc, all you will get is grief to get it sorted out.

Making a profit is not wrong. But having profit as the ONLY end result surly is wrong.

Personaly I run my sites for pleaser. I find it fun. I do not care if it makes me rich or not. My end result is as long as I am happy and as long as what I do does not harm anyone or any animal or harm the planet then I feel good.

I used to do sales. And my manager never understood that I did it for fun. They used to say 'well Adam we are in to make as much as we can as we all want cash'. It used to take them back when I said, I do it as I enjoy selling. I enjoy the challange. I was also one of the top sales reps too.

One of my first jobs was working in a local cinima at the weekends while I was at uni. People mocked me. Yet I loved every day of being there (its closed or I would still do it now, even if I was not being paid) as each day somthing new would happen. I even turned down a trainee managers potition as I wanted to be on the floor with the customers having fun, not sat in the office.

Perhaps I think this way as when I was about 6 I was on holiday in blackpool (its a naff holiday resort in england).

Anyway one day in blackpool on a wet day we were in a shopping mall (as you call them in the usa). Stood in the middle was a monk singing. I have never seen anyone before or indeed afterwords as happy and as content as him (i am not catholic or even religoise by the way) But i looked around and watched people running in and out of shops buying stuff, they looked so stressed. Yet he was stood so content. all he had was a gutar and his robe.

I have seen and met many people over the years. Some extreamly rich. but in truth none i consider as happy or as content as him. and none did i have as much respect for as him.

For me such as Lord sugar and others are a joke to me.

I have told this story a few times.

I have known people quit there job on the basis of it.

I am not trying to insult people. Just help them. Its a scary thing to sit and consider that your not happy. and how ever rich you get, you will not be happy.
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