The EU Bails out Ireland with $100 billion

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  • DateDoc
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    • Feb 2005
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    The EU Bails out Ireland with $100 billion

    DUBLIN ? Ireland?s decision to accept a rescue package worth more than $100 billion prompted a call Monday for early elections and a warning from a major ratings agency that the bailout could prove to be a ?credit negative? for the country.

    European Union officials, who had been pushing Ireland to accept help, quickly agreed to the request late Sunday, committing a significant amount of money to an ailing member for the second time in six months. The total amount was not announced, but several officials said it would be 80 billion to 90 billion euros, or $109 billion to $123 billion. Last spring, Europe disbursed 110 billion euros to Greece to save it from default.

    The move, which will allow Ireland to shore up its faltering banks and operate without having to borrow money at budget-breaking rates, was welcomed by Ireland?s neighbors on Monday, although financial markets were more cautious. There were also rising worries about political stability in Ireland as a result of the bailout and the angry public backlash it engendered.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/bu...er=rss&emc=rss
  • Nicky
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    • Mar 2003
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    #2
    I wonder how this will turn out.

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    • Paul Markham
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      • Jun 2001
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      #3
      The whole Euro crisis shows the problem of having a currency like the Euro covering many countries then allowing them to run their economy as they please.

      Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal are all in trouble because they spent more than they earned and loaned to make up the difference. The trouble down the line will be whether they can pay the loan back.



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      • Barefootsies
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        • Feb 2005
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        #4
        Originally posted by Paul Markham
        The whole Euro crisis shows the problem of having a currency like the Euro covering many countries then allowing them to run their economy as they please.

        Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal are all in trouble because they spent more than they earned and loaned to make up the difference. The trouble down the line will be whether they can pay the loan back.
        True dat.

        Open a history book and see how well it's worked out in the past.
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        • DateDoc
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          #5
          I wonder what austerity measures come along with the loan?

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          • Paul Markham
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            • Jun 2001
            • 52942

            #6
            Originally posted by DateDoc
            I wonder what austerity measures come along with the loan?
            Income tax up
            Sales tax (VAT) up.
            Government spending cut.



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            • DateDoc
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              • Feb 2005
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              #7
              Originally posted by Paul Markham
              Income tax up
              Sales tax (VAT) up.
              Government spending cut.
              I wonder how many companies will leave Ireland if the corp income tax is raised.

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              • TeenCat
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                • Jan 2007
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                #8
                looks like not much adult webmasters there

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                • Paul Markham
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                  • Jun 2001
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                  #9
                  The problem that's the reason for the dark days ahead is the balance of payments. The difference between exports and imports.

                  Most of the Western countries import far more than they export. Even including financial services the gap was to large. When the financial collapse happened the problem became clear to see.

                  The system was underpinned with loans and a Bond market. Which means the people who hold the loans and Bonds control the system. Which is why I THINK that politicians say that there should be no move to balance imports and exports. If they do that the Chines and others will call in the loans.



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                  • Twoface31
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                    • Paul Markham
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                      • Jun 2001
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by DateDoc
                      I wonder how many companies will leave Ireland if the corp income tax is raised.
                      Irish corporation tax is the lowest in the industrial world. Even if they raise it it would still be the lowest. Unless they raise it a lot.



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                      • Machete_
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                        The whole Euro crisis shows the problem of having a currency like the Euro covering many countries then allowing them to run their economy as they please.

                        Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal are all in trouble because they spent more than they earned and loaned to make up the difference. The trouble down the line will be whether they can pay the loan back.
                        yeah, better to just start printing new money non stop once your national debt hits $13 trillion

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                        • thunder99
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                          • Nov 2003
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                          #13
                          Not a good day for Ireland, the government collapsed earlier so there's elections in the New Year.

                          I'd been thinking of moving back there recently, but Hungary doesn't look too bad after today's news.
                          yeah, yeah

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                          • gaffg
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                            #14
                            no more low taxes for Ireland now
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                            • Dirty Dane
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                              • Feb 2004
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                              Irish corporation tax is the lowest in the industrial world. Even if they raise it it would still be the lowest. Unless they raise it a lot.
                              That's why the big international companies transfer their money to Ireland. Like Coca-Cola, their patent in Europe is "placed" there. Meanwhile, the workers must pay the domestic tax that the big companies don't pay. It's years of legal fraud, and now the workers have to pay even more.. to keep it alive.

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                              • DateDoc
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                Irish corporation tax is the lowest in the industrial world. Even if they raise it it would still be the lowest. Unless they raise it a lot.
                                I know, it is 12.5%. Hungary & Iceland are next with 18% corp tax rates.

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                                • Altwebdesign

                                  #17
                                  they lasted quite long. . .

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                                  • DateDoc
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                                    #18
                                    HP is already posturing that they may pull out of Ireland if the Corp Taxes are raised.

                                    Hewlett-Packard Co., based in Palo Alto, California, said it may reconsider its investment in Ireland should the country raise its 12.5 percent company tax rate as part of a deal to secure the EU-IMF aid.

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                                    • - LOL -
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                                      #19
                                      The Irish people are now officially slaves to the JEW banksters and they and their children and their grandchildren face a future of scraping by with the results of their labour going to the jews.

                                      Time to kill all the bankers and jews. Adolf was right.

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                                      • u-Bob
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                                        #20

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                                        • baddog
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                                          • Apr 2001
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                                          #21
                                          It is sad that a country of only 4 million people can be as far in debt as Ireland.

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                                          • IllTestYourGirls
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                                            • Feb 2007
                                            • 14311

                                            #22
                                            That would be like giving the US 10 trillion

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                                            • Roald
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                                              • May 2001
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Altwebdesign
                                              they lasted quite long. . .
                                              Correct me if I am wrong but I believe they were among the best economy wise few years ago


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                                              • wehateporn
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by - LOL -
                                                The Irish people are now officially slaves to the JEW banksters and they and their children and their grandchildren face a future of scraping by with the results of their labour going to the jews.

                                                Time to kill all the bankers and jews. Adolf was right.
                                                There are lots of nice Jews too, Winston Churchill (half Jew) once wrote

                                                The conflict between good and evil which proceeds unceasingly in the breast of man nowhere reaches such intensity as in the Jewish race. The dual nature of mankind is nowhere more strongly or more terribly exemplified.

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                                                • nolongerexists
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                                                  • Apr 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  google's HQ is there. wondering how they feel about it
                                                  work smart not hard ;)

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                                                  • Paul Markham
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                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                    Correct me if I am wrong but I believe they were among the best economy wise few years ago
                                                    It was built on sand.



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                                                    • Roald
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                      It was built on sand.
                                                      Well yeah just like the rest of the world


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                                                      • Altwebdesign

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Roald
                                                        Correct me if I am wrong but I believe they were among the best economy wise few years ago


                                                        Not a clue!

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                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                          • Jun 2001
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Roald
                                                          Well yeah just like the rest of the world
                                                          I said something like that in my first post here.



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                                                          • pornguy
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                                                            • Mar 2003
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                                                            #30
                                                            Has GM paid back their bail out money?? Think these guys ever will?
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                                                            • Klen
                                                              • Aug 2006
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by pornguy
                                                              Has GM paid back their bail out money?? Think these guys ever will?
                                                              Yes,beacuse this is loan not a bailout.

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                                                              • seeandsee
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                                                                • fatfoo
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                                                                  • Mar 2003
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  $100 billion - that's quite a lot of money. For me it is a sum of money that I cannot visualize in my head. The number is too big.
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                                                                  • u-Bob
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by seeandsee
                                                                    Eur will die in pain
                                                                    sad but true

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                                                                    • k0nr4d
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      god damn
                                                                      they couldn't wait a couple of days? now my mortage is gonna cost more.
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                                                                      • Vendzilla
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Just like with Japan and now the US, it will depend on how they use the money. So far government spending is not the way to go, but cutting spending seems to be

                                                                        http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/21/news...tune/index.htm
                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                        think about that

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                                                                        • Antonio
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 14136

                                                                          #37
                                                                          too much drinking -> clouded judgment -> borrowing more than they can pay back -> now we have to pay for the Irish

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                                                                          • Kiopa_Matt
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            So what's going to happen when Germany begins to fail, because they're already spent all their money (and credit) on helping out every other EU country?

                                                                            That's going to be shitty...
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                                                                            • baddog
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                                                                              • Apr 2001
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Kiopa_Matt
                                                                              So what's going to happen when Germany begins to fail, because they're already spent all their money (and credit) on helping out every other EU country?

                                                                              That's going to be shitty...
                                                                              I think the Germans got screwed from the gate with the introduction of the Euro.

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