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  • CunningStunt
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2006
    • 5594
    #1

    Shaving Algorithms - what's the best?

    Just wondering. I've done a tester and sent 559 hits to a sponsor today, and they report 391.

    Uncannily it's 70%. Is that normal in this business? In the 5 years I've been playing this dumb affiliate game, I've never really bothered to check, but hungover as hell, I thought it would be fun.

    How ripped off do you feel today? Maybe I should work for microshaft instead.
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    • Headless
      Registered User
      • Jan 2001
      • 26727
      #2
      who was the sponsor?

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        • Voodoo
          ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠
          • Sep 2002
          • 10600
          #3
          14u24m3=mu4h4h4h4h!!!111

          "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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            • cranki
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2005
              • 5162
              #4
              1st page? 2nd page? wtf?

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                • CunningStunt
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 5594
                  #5
                  Directly from my logs, with a tracking code in it - first page.

                  Not naming sponsor. All sponsors seem as bad as each other.

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                    • sicone
                      Retired
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 18453
                      #6
                      Originally posted by cranki
                      1st page? 2nd page? wtf?
                      exactly... how does the sponsor count hits and how are you counting hits you sent?

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                        • cones
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 571
                          #7
                          sounds about right

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                            • Voodoo
                              ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 10600
                              #8
                              It does suck though. I've had that feeling from a few sponsors before, never checked the % though. I've also heard of companies that "give" new affiliates sales for a while to get them amp'd up to push more, then start pulling back so they have to push harder to get sales. Very shitty practices IMHO.

                              "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                                • tiger
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2002
                                  • 6986
                                  #9
                                  You should contact the sponsor and ask how they count hits before you start saying they are shaving.

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                                    • CunningStunt
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 5594
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by tiger
                                      You should contact the sponsor and ask how they count hits before you start saying they are shaving.
                                      They count hits the same fucking way I do.

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                                        • NTSS
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2005
                                          • 5688
                                          #11
                                          nothing surprises me
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                                            • mn
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 1505
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                              They count hits the same fucking way I do.
                                              Then it can only be:

                                              a) they shave
                                              b) their script is broken
                                              c) your script is broken

                                              Post the name of the sponsor.

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                                                • CunningStunt
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                  • 5594
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by mn
                                                  Then it can only be:

                                                  a) they shave
                                                  b) their script is broken
                                                  c) your script is broken

                                                  Post the name of the sponsor.
                                                  I have actually done this test before, with adwords and a few other places. 70% seems the norm with "good" sponsors. Some sponsors blatantly take the piss reporting 40% of the hits or so. Needless to say they are dropped like a lead balloon.

                                                  Maybe I should quit whining and set up my own paysit, robbing affiliates and punters like everyone else?

                                                  Have YOU ever tested this? Seriously. Do it. You'll be surprised...or maybe not.

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                                                    • starpimps
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2006
                                                      • 6954
                                                      #14
                                                      i like using my gillette mach 4 to shave affiliates
                                                      Teen Porn Models / Solo Girls

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                                                        • Jace
                                                          FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                          • 35562
                                                          #15
                                                          there are quite a few sponsors that count join page hits, which is AWESOME (not)

                                                          nothing like sending 1000 uniques to a sponsor and seeing 20 hits in the admin

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                                                            • StarkReality
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2004
                                                              • 4444
                                                              #16
                                                              Yup, it's only a matter of time and many sponsors will only count female mexican visitors clicking at least 5 times.

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                                                                • fuzebox
                                                                  making it rain
                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 22363
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Jace
                                                                  there are quite a few sponsors that count join page hits, which is AWESOME (not)

                                                                  nothing like sending 1000 uniques to a sponsor and seeing 20 hits in the admin
                                                                  Then when you message the rep they say "you're doing 1:800 with us that's a good ratio"

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                                                                    • Jace
                                                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 35562
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                                      Then when you message the rep they say "you're doing 1:800 with us that's a good ratio"
                                                                      hahaha, no shit man

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                                                                        • mn
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 1505
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                                          I have actually done this test before, with adwords and a few other places. 70% seems the norm with "good" sponsors. Some sponsors blatantly take the piss reporting 40% of the hits or so. Needless to say they are dropped like a lead balloon.

                                                                          Maybe I should quit whining and set up my own paysit, robbing affiliates and punters like everyone else?

                                                                          Have YOU ever tested this? Seriously. Do it. You'll be surprised...or maybe not.
                                                                          To be honest, I don't care how a sponsor count. Let them count 4:th page uniques or only join page filling out the form uniques. Doesn't matter to me. All that matters to me is the payout amount at the end of the month. If I'm unhappy with that amount I switch sponsor because I know what my traffic is worth.

                                                                          Lots of programs will count as few hits as possible, but they don't shave the signups. This is so newbies will think WOW 1:50 this sponsor must be the best. A newbie will not understand that his real ratio might be 1:1000...

                                                                          Click stats means nothing. Unless you're talking about a pay per click sponsor here? Then I understand why you're upset.

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                                                                            • StarkReality
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                              • 4444
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by mn
                                                                              All that matters to me is the payout amount at the end of the month. If I'm unhappy with that amount I switch sponsor because I know what my traffic is worth.
                                                                              Good point.

                                                                              Originally posted by mn
                                                                              Click stats means nothing. Unless you're talking about a pay per click sponsor here? Then I understand why you're upset.
                                                                              Well, the big question is: Why offer any click stats as a sponsor if they aren't accurate ? Why not tell your affiliates: Go, count your hits yourself ? Even webmasters with little experience will only take a week to find out how the click count of a sponsor really works, it's not like people don't see the differences.

                                                                              I think it's a pretty silly game, I can count on my own, no problem, but if you offer me stats, make them useful for me. The sad thing is that some really good programs around for a long time use join page unique count. I don't drop them for doing so, they make me alot of money, but new affiliates will feel ripped off once they find out, it makes good sponsors look bad...

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                                                                                • aico
                                                                                  Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                  • 14748
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  unless they are shaving signups, I could care less how they count the hits.

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                                                                                    • CunningStunt
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                      • 5594
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Some of you folks just don't get it. affiliateprogramshavingFTL.com/=?trackingcodewetrackandtellyou

                                                                                      Forget about join pages, entry pages, whereverthefuck pages.

                                                                                      Why do sponsors even bother with all that join pages bullshit - one of them I stopped promoting even though earning reasonably well was because of all that first page / second page / join bullshit. I DON'T give a fuck. How many uniques did I send you, how much $ did I get -- GET IT SPONSORS?

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                                                                                        • Phoenix
                                                                                          BACON BACON BACON
                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                          • 35475
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          yes...it only matters about uniques and money

                                                                                          1st page 2nd page etc..is purely for the sponsor to be able to track the effectiveness of ther tour.


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                                                                                            • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                              Ah My Balls
                                                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                                                              • 14311
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              well lets see I did a test to one sponsor with sending trafficholder clicks to them. I sent 2k clicks to them and they said only 400 were sent to them. So which one is lying?

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                                                                                                • CunningStunt
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                  • 5594
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                  So who is lying?
                                                                                                  You are.

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                                                                                                    • Walrus
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                                      • 2150
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Which major sponsors were created by Adult Webmasters themselves? You know, people who started out the same way as most of us here. Doesn't xxxjay own OCCash, or co-own it? I can't imagine someone who's been a regular affiliate would shave if he one day became the owner of a sponsor. It would be interesting to find out if anyone knew what the lever bar is set at for shaving there.

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                                                                                                        • DBS.US
                                                                                                          Geo Cities
                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                          • 11842
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I only count the hits my counters show and the money I get paid.
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                                                                                                            • BigBen
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                                                              • 2299
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Do you filter out bots from your stats?

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                                                                                                                • CunningStunt
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                  • 5594
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Yes BigBen.

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                                                                                                                    • bhutocracy
                                                                                                                      Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                      • 10218
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      If you don't count your outgoing clicks, divide the monthly cheque by that number and use that as your guide by sending your traffic to the sponsor with the highest per click figure... then really you've got no one to blame but yourself. I honestly don't see the problem. Some sponsors only count join page hits. IT DOESN"T MATTER. Look at YOUR traffic and YOUR cheques.. it's the only way to put all sponsors and their myriad ways of counting second hits on pages in fibonacci sequences on a level playing field.

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                                                                                                                        • »Rob Content«
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                          • 4348
                                                                                                                          #31
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                                                                                                                            • woj
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                                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                              • 47880
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              I'm pretty sure there is some legitimate reason why the click counts don't match up... they might count uniques based on ips, you may count it with cookies, they may filter certain user agents, which you don't... etc...
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                                                                                                                                • Webby
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 14956
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by CunningStunt
                                                                                                                                  Shaving Algorithms - what's the best?
                                                                                                                                  Well... the best is the one-for-you-one-for-us spreadsheet, but that don't work too well these days.

                                                                                                                                  Next is the "90 day success period" - eg signups to encourage for up to 90 days so ya pump more traffic at em - then nothing.

                                                                                                                                  Next is "but we only count join pages", but only of blind surfers from Ukraine.

                                                                                                                                  Favorite rep questions - "Maybe we can help you get better traffic?" - like they would have a clue. Another is, "You are doing very well and getting a great conversion of 1:500." - problem there is ya sent ten times that to a join page and only shows 1500.

                                                                                                                                  It's always amazing sending traffic to your own paysites and somehow the join pages get correct counts and the conversions are better - must be another coincidence...
                                                                                                                                  Last edited by Webby; 05-03-2007, 10:39 PM.
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                                                                                                                                    • MrChips
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 1504
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Another good rep question

                                                                                                                                      "Can you let us know how you are going to promote our site before we confirm that you can join our program"?

                                                                                                                                      Stupid fuckers.

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                                                                                                                                        • ARS Bryan
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 875
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MrChips
                                                                                                                                          Another good rep question

                                                                                                                                          "Can you let us know how you are going to promote our site before we confirm that you can join our program"?

                                                                                                                                          Stupid fuckers.
                                                                                                                                          Why's this stupid again?
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