Palestine is finished

Ok, quick geography lesson for your ignorant ass.

Detroit - ******s
Bloomfield - Southfield - Jews
Dearborn - Chaldeans
Metro Detroit - White

Chaldeans are the quote un quote "Arabs" that Rose is constantly refering to.

Chaldeans are Arab christians.

But what else would you exepect from Rose... an informed statement? ahaha right. Rose wouldnt know her ass from a hole in the ground.

Poor Labret,
You dont even know how lucky we Canadian feel that there
is the river between Detroit and civilized world.
Detroit area has the largest muslim minority in the US.
Every corner store or gas station is owned by one.
I dont even consider Detroit a city. Every time I cross the bridge
it's like coming to third world country, destroyed and burned.

dance around the subject little man... dance little man... dance...

Bitch, you have never been to Detroit. Shut your fucking ignorant hole and get back in the kitchen.

Poor Labret, I live 10 minutes from Detroit, Truth is if I dont have to I dont go there. Cause there is nothing.

[Labret] - you are really amazingly dumb are you now?

You don?t need to BOTH
Say - quote unquote
AND
Write the - quote unquote - on the "Arabs"
(BTW ? its ?unquote? ? not ?un quote?)
What are you ? interbred? (I heard its common with your kind of people ;) )

You in Windsor? Maybe we should get together and have some drinks next time I am at the casino.

Ahahah yeah, I got some sand ****** who butchers english in every single post telling me how to speak english.

It is "inbred" for future reference Himey.

You in Windsor? Maybe we should get together and have some drinks next time I am at the casino.
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I think I'll pass

Cmon, I am white, I promise. It will be like a GFY Peace in the Middle East Summit.

[Labret]
Say - do you think that the Nazis would have kept you alive if they were to win the war?
Well - after all thet were all about genetic purity - and as reflecting from your posts - you are all BUT this.

You're kindof like a antisematic Jew or a Black KKK member.
Basically Im saying you are a stupid fuck again - if its too hard for you to read between the lines (or maybe its too hard for you to read period )

You go Ron.

Man, GET REAL !

Yasar Arafat and the palestine don't really mind about this part of land, they wanna DESTORY ALL OF ISRAEL !
they know that they don't have the weapons and they can't do it at ones so they requesting this part of land.. and this part and etc... until....

SO FUCK THEM !

You need to understand if they'll fuck israel, they iraq, iran would go after the other part of the world, they just want to destory all the democratic contries, that's the reason !

We are very luch that there is one democratic country in the middle east which is ISRAEL !

The sad thing is, Israel isn't fighting a war yet.

Everyone keeps talking about this happens and that happens during a war, but there is no war. Just a bunch of Palestinians trying to fight one, and Israel being told they can't do anything.

If Israel decides to fight a war, there's going to be a lot more dead Palestinians there are now, and it's going to happen in a very short time frame.

FATPad hit it right on the head.

One of those damn 6 year old terrorists killed by Israelis during the operation at Jenin.

Get your beers out Rose, XXXManager, Sinomatic... and toast another Israeli victory.

No XXXManager, the silly fucker did not put his bomb belt in his tiny little turban.

Labert, I dont know whether this picture is real or not but even if it is, it's the fault of his parents and the other palestines that sent this kid to battle zone.
They probably paid him for it too..

But again, I'm allmost sure that it isn't real, they always fake this kind of stuff.

and for all the smart ppl here who blame israel by not giving the palestines lands, just know that Arafat is allready been offered to get all he wants, but he refused. He just doesn't want peace.

This one was a kid suside bomber... the palestine are sooo sick.. they letting thier own childern put a bomb on them and kill themself near an israel soldiers.

the chosen, you are 100% right. this is the real tragedy of the palestinian people: yasser arafat.

ehud barak offered him 97% of the land and east jerusalem as the capital. this was the most any israeli PM would ever offer them... this offer will never be voiced again in the future by any israeli PM. even saeeb arikat, the chief palestinian negotiator, said two days ago in a TV interview that he would take this offer and endorse it in 5 minutes... but that was 20 months ago. arafat decided it is not enough and that by sitting around the table with barak doesn't give him 100% of what he wants (all jews to the sea); so he restarted the intifada.

all the pictures of dead women and children, all the suffering of innocent civilians, all the terrible fate of the palestinian people and the general despair the entire region is in - all of of this tragedy is yasser arafat person. if it wasn't for him, sharon would not be the PM today, there would be no war, the palestinains would have a state with jerusalem as capital and hundreds of innocent civilians in both camps would be alive.

israel already did so with egypt and jordan because they had a leeder. arafat is not a leader. he is a cancer, and he destroyed or nearly destroyed any country which hosted him ever. jorden, lebanon and now palestine.

and for all the little nazis here in the forum (there aren't many, but i am 100% supportive of xxxmanager on that. i also call a spade a spade), you would like to think you can cheer at the senseless murder of innocent women and children; you would think you can sit in your comfy chair look at the tv and think you know-all; i thought you would be more careful after sep 11. you can not support or be in favour of any terrorist, and then cry when terrorism hits you.

Yes, I hear smuggling bombs on your head is quite popular now.

Could it maybe have been the tank that ripped thru his house? Or the rockets and bombs that levelled his neighborhood?

The Israelis would never kill an innocent child...

Hmmm... where is that video of that kid being mowed down against a wall with his father?

Shit happens. When Palestinians target Israeli civilians you and all the other dimwits come out of the woodwork and start talking about it's their only option.

I wish Israel would start actually fighting. Just level all of Palestine and move on.

I agree.

The quicker they massacre the Palestinians, the quicker the bloodbath in the middle east will begin.

You know where the first nuke developed in the middle east will be used if the Palestinians get wiped out?

You simple minded fuck, thinking wiping out the Palestinians will solve all their problems. ahahaah dumbass.

read the press releases of some of the organizations most critical of israel, like amnesty international, the red cross and doctors with no bounderies: funny they all blamed israel for leveling empty houses that posed no threat. non of them said israel killed intentionally even one innocent civilian. however, funny that ALL of them said the palestinians themselves strapped explosives to the homes there, in order to detonate them on israeli soldiers, and in deed this is how they killed more than 20 soldiers. in some of those houses there were women and children. the palestinians detonated houses on both just to kill some israelis.

and this is no zionist propaganda. this is the red cross and amnesty international.

as for the child and the father - nobody knows what or who's bullet killed the child. they were both caught in the cross fire. they were not the target. they were not the ones being shot at. they were in between palestinian militants and israeli soldiers. funny how things look from the comfort of your living-room, looking at narrow angle tv screen, taking scenes out of their context.

i may only be 17, and i may be from holland so i also don't get it first hand, but i know one thing for sure and for a fact, seems like your source of information is voice of al queida, and when this meets your two IQ cells - you get the little nazi which you are.

try also reading www.debka.com to offset the crap that you read all day on the al-queida gazzette.

heil labret!

17 and Dutch... your opinion matters to me.

And of course I read Debka, daily. I always have to have the Zionist slant.

You know what's funny?

I have a picture of you in my head of you sitting at your computer cackling to yourself while you're typing these posts and talking to your cat about how smart you are and how much you hate the world.

Cackling... perhaps. Sitting in front of computer... yes, 18 hours a day. Its my job. Talking to cat, only if I have been drinking to excess. And that conversation usually revolves around why he cant seem to piss in his shitbox, not how smart I am or how much I hate the world. But I will bring that up during our next discussion.

Why can't they piss in the shitbox?

FATPad:

Palestinians are killing Israelians and vice versa. When two peoples are egaged in the killing of one another I call it war. You of course are free to call it whatever you like.

It apparently does not make any difference what Israel is being told, or not told, they have deployed their military against a populace that does not have a military and thus far the body count is more than four times in favour of Israel. And of course everyone they kill are civilians because the Palestinians do not have a military.

The Chosen and Capribex:

It is repeated over and over that the Palestinians where offered 97% of what they wanted. They deny that there was ever an offer of 97% of what they wanted, but none the less whatever the percentage, there were points that they found to be unacceptable.

To begin with they have said that less than 100% of their land being returned to them is unacceptable. Israel being left in control of 80% of the water is unacceptable. Not to have the right of return is unacceptable. To leave any of the settlements in place is unacceptable.

So there is not any black or white in their conflict.

Yes, that's happen too.. the palesines sending thier childern to throw rocks on the israeli soldeirs, sometimes they also sending with with a bomb belt on them....
the only one to blame is the brothers and fathers which sending thier childern and brothers to kill themself.

PPL, tell me.... how sick someone should be to send his own kid/brother to kill himself ?!?!?!?!

I would never be able to understand this palestines...

Btw... few anther example... there was around 20 palestine gun mes that the israeli army was trying to catch... they almost caught them.. but then this fucking 20 palestine gun mens took over a cristan church !!

If it was the US army or UK army or any other army.. they would just get into the church and cataching all of this fucking gun mens.. but bcz that the israeli army respect the church the didn't get it !!!!!

This fucking palestine know that the israeli army is a very humanti army.... and they using it aginst him.

I hope Israel really goes to war.

Dead Palestinians by the truckload and no way they can stop it.

Teach em to strap bombs to themselves and target women and children like a bunch of pussies.

Here are some pictures from what the fucking palestines did yesterday by a direct command from Yasar Arafat !

(i didn't put the hard ones)

Again, even though I am no expert, I can make some references...
1. It wasn't Sharon who said we offered 97% etc. which I may doubt. It was Barak, and Clinton and Saab Erikat the Palestinian chief negotiator.

2. If you come to negotiate a deal to bring peace and stability and hope to the region, what you do around the table, is compromise. If you go into the room and get 97% of what you want, this is a damn good result. A damn good compromise. It's not peace negotiations if the side that doesn't get 100% of what he wants - he starts killing hundreds of women and children. This is terror, which is EXACTLY why I said both people need and want this peace and this hope. The tragedy is Arafat's person!

3. No Israeli leader, including the most left wing Israeli politicians, will give the Palestinians the right of return because the right of return means the end of Israel. It means Israel will overnight become an Arab/Muslim state. This is the compromise that the Palestinians have to make - they can return to Palestine, but not to Israel. Israel was divided by the UN in 47 into two countries for two people. hey can return to "their" land. The right of return that they want is to the Israeli side of the border!

4. More than half of the Israelis come from countries like Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Lybia etc. None of these countries, including those who made peace with Israel, is willing to let those Israelis go back, claim their houses and assets that were nationalized by these governments etc.

5. Inside Israel proper - not Palestine, there are more than 1 million Israeli Arabs (muslims) living in cities and villages and etc. many of them serve in the Israeli Army, Israeli Police etc. They pay their taxes in Israel. They vote and get voted for the Israeli Parliament. They have full rights, and nobody is throwing them out. I think (personally) that if the Jews living in Palestine will be willing to pay their taxes in Palestine and etc. - there is no reason why the settlements must be terminated. If they are willing to be Palestinian subjects, with all the rights and duties of being a Palestinian, I don't see a problem why in peace times they can't live together.

But call me naive. I still think there is currently one evil in this battlefield, and his name is Arafat.

and btw.... here is some picture that shows what i'm talking about when i said that the palestine sending there own 12 years old childern and brothers to suisde bomb themself to kill israeli soldiers -

I think the line has finally been crossed.

This video is kind of chilling.

http://www.msnbc.com/m/mw/mw.asp?t=V...l=&name=&opt=0

well.....blood revenge..

capribex:

You have made some good points. I am not going to get into anymore details about what one side has done, or the other side has done, or what one side should do, or the other side should do, what is fair, or what is unfair.

These people are locked in a death struggle and the tactics being used by both sides are not working and will not work. The hatred just increases and the killing will not stop.


I posted my solution to the problem, which is not really a unique solution.

My resolution to the Israel and Palestinian problem.

It is my understanding that when the UN ordered the original partition the "Palestinians" were left without a contiguos border.

Even if I am incorrect about that; the current situation is that the Palestinians currently do not have a contiguos border and are divided into 13 different areas, with the areas in between being controlled by the Israelies.

My resolution is the following:

#1. The UN order a new partition with the "Palestinians" having a contiguous border.

#2. We put pressure on Israel and the Palestinians to accept without argument the new partition. Israel cannot exist without the billions of dollars we give them each year in financial and military aid, so they will have to comply. The Palestinians should readily accept because it will give them an independent country with a contiguos border.

#3: An outside military force is put in the area, preferrably from that part of the world, but if necessary a UN force, or NATO force. A no man's land separating the border between the two countries, replete with outposts, roving patrols, and electronic sensors, to keep infiltration to a minimum.

#4: Any acts of terrorism by either side to be handled in the World Court.

#5: A massive input of money (preferrably by the Muslim world) to the Palestinians to rebuild their country and develop a viable economy.

#6: Keep this outside military force in place for at least two or more generations. When both economies are doing well, when the newer generations, are enjoying the fruits of peace and a reasonable economy, the hatred will reside.


Will this plan imediately stop all of the killing. No; but it should reduce it, maybe, by 90% and as generations pass, maybe more.

Since nobody is willing to tell it straight to you. I'm the one that is gonna to do it.
People outside your country and your problems DON'T GIVE A SHIT neither about you or what's going on with Israel and Palestine.
Now if you think the best you can to do is to try convince that your part is right to webmasters that the last thing they have in mind is Israel and Palestine keep doing it. Otherwise, join a local hospital or do something useful.

It's your own country damn it! People don't need you to learn what's going on there. You OFFER NOTHING and at the end you kill the right your words may have.

GET REAL. If your posts makes you feel you do offer something in your country i'm telling you: YOU ARE NOT.

Keep dreaming.

drumsicle:

Do I think my plan will ever be implemented? No, not entirely.

I don't think the UN will ever order a new partition.

I do think that the world, including the US, will eventually impose a peace by introducing an outside military force and ordering Israel to withdraw to the pre 1967 border.

Not a chance.

Man, why the palestine can't get some land from oneo f the arab countries ?

israeli is only like 0.1% of the middle east and the arabs are 99.9% of it... so.... you want to make israeli even smaller than it is now ?

It ain't gonna happen.

I didn't want to get into it...AGAIN....but...

1st of all NO 1 will order isreal to do stuff....
2nd The U.S will never do ANYTHING against Israel
3rd the rest of the world can KISS MY ISRAELI ASS

the goverment in Nepal killed 400 "terrorists" last week...no body really cared...
I really hope that Netanyaho will come back and take care of the biz!
sharon isn't doing much

Peace in the middle east!

Pathfinder, I can only agree with the good intentions you have, but the situation on the ground seem to me as much more complicated... Some points to think about (regarding your thoughts):

#1: They had just that... There was never a state/country called Palestine. It was part of Jorden. They had territorial continuity already. It didn't work. I agree that they will need something like that though, when they will have their own state - which will only happen after they will have sane leadership.

#2: Won't work unfortunetly... You can't force people into peace. Kissinger got nobel peace prize for making "peace" between north and south Vietnam. South Vietnam has vanished thereafter... marshal tito tried to force the Serbs and Croats and Albanians etc. to live together in peace in a country called "Yugoslavia"; Now, the grand-grandchildren of those people are killing each other, because they hate each other and you can't force them to like each other any more...

It's also complicated because keep in mind more than 90% of the financial aid the US "gives" Israel is actually credit to buy goods in the US. It's not real money as in a big ship that sails with dollar bills to Israel. This is how Israel can afford F-15's, and F-16's, and Apachees etc. McDonald Douglas will give Bush shit for reducing the financial aid to Israel... The US to a large extent supports its own economy, by "giving" money to Israel.

#3: This may actually happen one day, but I am almost sure it won't work... It will not stop the Palestinian terrorists (just like the Israelis themselves can't stop 100% of the bombers) and Israel will have to retaliate; the peace keepers will be caught in the middle, and when they will get hurt, they will all go back home...

#4: International Court is, unfortunetly, a political body! It is not the un-biassed body people were hoping it would be... It is serving the political aspirations and agendas of some European governments - which is why the US opted out of it a few weeks ago...

#5: I agree 100% on that, BUT, a small problem... The world already gave the Palestinian Authority hundreds of millions of dollars, and all of it somehow disappeared... It was pocketed by the senior PA executives and the rest was spent on Terror. they didn't spend money on creating jobs or improving the life of the Palestinains still living in Refugee camps etc. This is why Bush said yesterday they will only give money when there will be transperency and when there will be no corruption. Otherwise it's like a vacum cleaner... The more money you will give the more will vanish.

#6: See remark number2... Tito tried it... The Soviet Union tried it...

I think that the situation will only be resolved when the people and the leaders will make a strategic decision to lead for peace. Israel did its part when the people voted Rabin and Barak into office. Unfortunetly, despite the wish of the Palestinian people which IS there - their leaders didn't make that strategic decision yet, which is why I said that Arafat is the tragedy of the Palestinian people.

gallerypost:

The UN partitioned the country allowing Israel part of the land and the other indiginents part of the land.

The "Palestinians" would not accept land from anyone else (even if it were offered) because they were given their own land by the UN partition.

Israel has been in defiance of the UN partition since 1967.

I personally do not care what size Israel is or what size "Palestine" is.

The land was partitioned and Israel is in defiance of that partition and as I have already stated I believe it is going to take an outside military force to resolve the problem.

At first I thought it was Chris who posted that... But then I realized there are no swastikas... How many people here answer to your name??? What is the difference between Soul and Meta?

Anyway, I think you are evidently wrong: the threads that get the highest readership and participation in this forum are those relating to the Middle East... Just look at the stats... It is amazing (to me) just how "popular" the subject is, and how every adult webmaster on this earth has a detailed opinion (the right opinions, like me; and the wrong opinions, like Meta's) - and almost everybody is siding with the Israelis or the Palestinians...

Hey, even you decided to read and add to the thread.

Seems like the world would be a dull place without the wars of the middle east that keep this forum alive.

An outside military force. LOL! The Un couldn't do shit to Israel unless the US joined the party, and that aint gonna happen. And the Israelis aren't going to be told by the UN what is their land and what is not. The Palestinians and Arab countries shouldn't have attacked Israel. They did and they lost some land. So be it. The UN is a fucking joke anyway.

Pathfinder, you keep talking about Israel being in defiance of the UN since 1967, and the UN forcing Israel to pre 1967 borders.

You also constantly tell people that what happened in the past shouldn't matter, they should just shove a resolution down Israel's throat.

Do you actually know why Israel is supposedly "in defiance" of the UN since 1967 by occupying that territory?

I'm really starting to think that you don't, or that you have some sort of idea that in 1967 the Israeli's just woke up and decided to go invade people for land.