How can SUBMIT hits be so high, and JOINS so low?

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  • CunningStunt
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2006
    • 5594

    #1

    How can SUBMIT hits be so high, and JOINS so low?

    New sponsor I am trialling as of last week:

    Unique Join Hits Submits Joins Payout
    12,858 1765 103 5 $175

    Are they trying to tell me that 98 of those didn't work because of stolen credit cards / bank refusals etc?

    Is that normal? I've not paid attention to any submit figures before. Seems ridiculously high.
  • seeandsee
    Check SIG!
    • Mar 2006
    • 50945

    #2
    That "hits" chart, is that hit that move them to "enter cc details" page or from that page?
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    • CunningStunt
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2006
      • 5594

      #3
      Originally posted by seeandsee
      That "hits" chart, is that hit that move them to "enter cc details" page or from that page?
      It is them pressing the submit button after they have entered all their credit card details etc.

      I am guessing stolen card attempts are rife. Didn't expect it to be that high a percentage though.

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      • DamianJ
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jul 2006
        • 15808

        #4
        Does this sponsor not cascade?

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        • CunningStunt
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2006
          • 5594

          #5
          Originally posted by DamianJ
          Does this sponsor not cascade?
          They cascade piss all over your face at a guess. Fuck off Manc-y Bournemouth boy.

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          • Ron2k1
            Confirmed User
            • Sep 2001
            • 1573

            #6
            Aren't those submit hits just people clicking the submit button by filling in some crap data (which then gets rejected).

            I think a lot of surfers will try to enter some bullshit to see if they can get access

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            • CunningStunt
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2006
              • 5594

              #7
              Originally posted by Ron2k1
              Aren't those submit hits just people clicking the submit button by filling in some crap data (which then gets rejected).

              I think a lot of surfers will try to enter some bullshit to see if they can get access
              You could be right.

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              • ~Ray
                visit hardlinks.org
                • Jun 2003
                • 18361

                #8
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                • BlackCrayon
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 19634

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ron2k1
                  Aren't those submit hits just people clicking the submit button by filling in some crap data (which then gets rejected).

                  I think a lot of surfers will try to enter some bullshit to see if they can get access
                  sure but those numbers are way higher than i typically see.
                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                  • DamianJ
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 15808

                    #10
                    Originally posted by CunningStunt
                    They cascade piss all over your face at a guess. Fuck off Manc-y Bournemouth boy.
                    Once again, your razor like wit cuts me to the quick.

                    Genius reposte.

                    Really.

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                    • Love Sex
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 1905

                      #11
                      1 program
                      25,118 4,320 1,737 submits 4 sales
                      same thing here

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                      • Si
                        Such Fun!
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13900

                        #12
                        I always thought join hits were hits to the join page
                        Not hits on the submit button.

                        Seems normal though.

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                        • Nicky
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 30071

                          #13
                          I've seen some really high numbers on that too, like 200 submits 3 sales etc. Always wondered about It too.

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                          • SwirlsGirl
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 2067

                            #14
                            You SHOULD PAY close attention to those stats, they can reveal things that you would never have known otherwise!

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                            • Nicky
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30071

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Si
                              I always thought join hits were hits to the join page
                              Not hits on the submit button.

                              Seems normal though.
                              He is not talking about the join hits. This is join submits. so It's people entering in their info and pressing the join button.

                              gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                              • Sly
                                Let's do some business!
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 31377

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Ron2k1
                                Aren't those submit hits just people clicking the submit button by filling in some crap data (which then gets rejected).

                                I think a lot of surfers will try to enter some bullshit to see if they can get access
                                This is true but not to the tune of 1:20. I get antsy if I see over 1:6-10 on some programs. The main program I push that gives out stats like this typically does 1:4-7.

                                With numbers like 1:20, I see the following culprit's:
                                1) Your traffic is crap. You'll see numbers like this if you have a sudden wave of Indian traffic, or similar countries that have difficulty billing.
                                2) Sponsor is doing something very wrong. Either with tracking or processing. I would ask them what kind of numbers they are seeing across-the-board and also with affiliates that have traffic similar to yours.
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                                • james_clickmemedia
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 2204

                                  #17
                                  The submit page is where you ask for just the username and password & email :
                                  example : http://join.blackmama.com/signup/sig...0.0.0.0&step=2

                                  if they enter a username that's already taken or an email that taken, or invalid email address etc it will count as a submit.
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                                  • Si
                                    Such Fun!
                                    • Feb 2008
                                    • 13900

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Nicky
                                    He is not talking about the join hits. This is join submits. so It's people entering in their info and pressing the join button.
                                    I just noticed that, didn't look at the stats properly.

                                    Still seems fairly normal to me though. I have similar looking stats on private cash.

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                                    • SwirlsGirl
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 2067

                                      #19
                                      how about letting the cat out of the bag.... in this tough economy you thought you were losing your sales to tubes, piracy,free content,etc.

                                      Surfers have figured out that many sites have sexy images embedded on the join page. Consequently the surfer can masturbate to the images on the join form without having to submit.

                                      Its the new shortcut around purchasing a membership, surfers just jerk off to the join page, or join form.

                                      Its the only "possible" explanation. Any other possibility would be well...."impossible"

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                                      • anexsia
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • May 2010
                                        • 5735

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SwirlsGirl
                                        how about letting the cat out of the bag.... in this tough economy you thought you were losing your sales to tubes, piracy,free content,etc.

                                        Surfers have figured out that many sites have sexy images embedded on the join page. Consequently the surfer can masturbate to the images on the join form without having to submit.

                                        Its the new shortcut around purchasing a membership, surfers just jerk off to the join page, or join form.

                                        Its the only "possible" explanation. Any other possibility would be well...."impossible"

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                                        • Agent 488
                                          Registered User
                                          • Feb 2006
                                          • 22511

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by SwirlsGirl
                                          Surfers have figured out that many sites have sexy images embedded on the join page. Consequently the surfer can masturbate to the images on the join form without having to submit.

                                          Its the new shortcut around purchasing a membership, surfers just jerk off to the join page, or join form.
                                          i agree. i just finished tossing one off to a join page a few minutes ago.

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                                          • carzygirls
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Oct 2010
                                            • 857

                                            #22
                                            What's the site/program?

                                            5 joins on 12k uniques is not that abnormal. Must be the setup of tour that gets the surfer to join page real quick. The submits must be first step of a 2 step process.

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