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    Just Du It
    • Feb 2004
    • 12094
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    The Clash vs The Ramones vs The Sex Pistols

    Who started punk rock?
    Who was your favorite?

    I LOVE the sex pistols but i have to hand it to the clash, they were great and the originals. The Ramones werent bad either
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    • SxDx
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      • Mar 2006
      • 2254
      #2
      all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

      Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each

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              • Feb 2004
              • 12094
              #4
              Originally posted by SxDx
              all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

              Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each
              I was going to mention the NY Dolls but i figured not enough people knew them...

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                • fuzebox
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                  • Oct 2003
                  • 22367
                  #5
                  In that Ramones documentary Joe Strummer said that The Clash wouldn't have been given a chance by the UK market if it hadn't been for the rising popularity of The Ramones in New York...

                  Shrug.

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                    • fuzebox
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 22367
                      #6
                      Originally posted by SxDx
                      all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

                      Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each
                      Well said

                      All these bands were breaking new ground at the same time, it would be really unfair to give one more credit than the other...

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                        • Michaelious
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                          • Jan 2004
                          • 6720
                          #7
                          Certainly has to be the ramones

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                            • cherrylula
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                              • Jan 2002
                              • 15969
                              #8
                              you left out the real



                              the stooges.

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                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 12094
                                  #9
                                  All i know i think we can all agree the Sex Pistols were the most punk rock (as in bad ass). I mean come on sid vicious didnt even know how to play bass guitar!

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                                    • Joe BrainCash
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                                      • Mar 2006
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                                      #10
                                      Tough question. The Sex Pistols definately became the 'Poster Boys' of punk(especially sick Sid Viscious). The Ramones we're there at the beginning and never changed their formula (nor their clothes and haircuts).
                                      But The Clash were much more gifted and varied musically.

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                                        • fuzebox
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                                          • Oct 2003
                                          • 22367
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by banthis
                                          All i know i think we can all agree the Sex Pistols were the most punk rock (as in bad ass). I mean come on sid vicious didnt even know how to play bass guitar!
                                          And wasn't Johnny Rotten recruited because he was wearing an "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt?

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                                            • I am chauncy
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                                              • Jul 2006
                                              • 568
                                              #12
                                              there are two great bands in this question and The Clash and The Ramones if I had to chose I chose The Clash they were a more important band to the social structure of the time their music had a message and a meaning. The Ramones their music was more fun didn't really have much substance.

                                              The Sex Pistols however were crap they were the original boy bad a bullshit manufactured product who soul purpose was to make money buy exploiting a current trend at the time they are the backstreet boys of punk and deserve no credit or accolades
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                                                • Vegas Ken
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                                                  • Sep 2006
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                                                  #13
                                                  The Clash!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                      • 12094
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by fuzebox
                                                      And wasn't Johnny Rotten recruited because he was wearing an "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt?
                                                      That is punk rock

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                                                        • smack
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                                                          #15
                                                          the clash, but for me the ramones are a very close second.
                                                          Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                                                            • Angelo22
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                                                              • Feb 2007
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                                                              #16
                                                              The clash gets my vote
                                                              hard decision, they are all amazing
                                                              but Clash gets it
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                                                                • Azlord
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                                                                  • Dec 2003
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  I just got these the other day and was really stoked. Not the originators of punk or anything, but some good records.



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                                                                    • 2012
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                                                                      • Jul 2006
                                                                      • 17189
                                                                      #18
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                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                          • 12094
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Glad to see twistyneck voted hanson haha.

                                                                          Anywho, looks like the clash has taken the lead

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                                                                            • thesuspectdevice
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                                                                              • Dec 2006
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              hey banthis,

                                                                              watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/

                                                                              it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene.

                                                                              Cheers mate!

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                                                                                • CDSmith
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                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                  • 51460
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I'll have to go with the Clash. I had no use at all for the sex pistols music. All Sid Vicious had was the name, he couldn't sing fir shit, couldn't play for shit either. He was a personality only, and to me that sort of crap only smacks of overrated hype. Sorry to you pistols fans, :D

                                                                                  The Ramones definitely had their moments, some decent tunes, but the Clash soar far above the others in my opinion.
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                                                                                    • Jakke PNG
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Hanson kicks some serious butt.
                                                                                      ..and I'm off.

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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by thesuspectdevice
                                                                                          hey banthis,

                                                                                          watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/

                                                                                          it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene.

                                                                                          Cheers mate!
                                                                                          I've seen a few dvds, i love em all really.
                                                                                          I was watching one i forget who it was but the band put cyanide in pieces of bread and threw them around so the birds would eat it.. funny stuff

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                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                              • 12094
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                              All Sid Vicious had was the name, he couldn't sing fir shit.
                                                                                              All i have to say to that is:
                                                                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSoQnEv9rhU

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                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                  • 12094
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Oh and before i forget my though, The Sex Pistols were the most punk rock in the sense or grungy and well blatantly "bad ass" getting booted from the UK. Not giving a shit, make $0 off their album. Getting cans thrown at them and just starting a fight not caring (sid). Too bad Nancy came into the picturee

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                                                                                                    • BusterBunny
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                                                                                                      #26
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                                                                                                        • zibril
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                                                                                                          • Feb 2007
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          sex pistols rocks !!!

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                                                                                                            • ynuahayt
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                                                                                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                  • 17189
                                                                                                                  #29
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                                                                                                                    • pinkz
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                                                                                                                      #30
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                                                                                                                      cant beat the clash for that raw dubbed up sound but the pistols imho started the scene rolling here in the uk

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                                                                                                                        • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                          • 40077
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Started punk..well that disqualifies the Clash but also you have to talk about which scene.

                                                                                                                          Anyway, they are three totally different groups. The Pistols took punk to the British masses and popularized an attitude and produced ONE very important album in the history of music. However, it would be hard to insane they are the 'best' of any type of group.

                                                                                                                          The Ramones were great fun and but if you are asking which is the best overall band of those three then it is The Clash because they produced the best overall songs to my ears and kept the British punk notion of politics being a part of punk and Joe kept that up until his death.

                                                                                                                          However, I still think the Buzzcocks in their prime were better than all three.

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                                                                                                                            • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                              • 40077
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by SxDx
                                                                                                                              all 3 were original and great in their own right. hard to say who founded punk...one could even make an argument that punk was started by the New York Dolls, MC5 and/or Iggy and the Stooges.

                                                                                                                              Just depends on how strong of an argument you want to make for each
                                                                                                                              Thank you ...the New York Dolls don't get the place they deserve in musical history. Not only can they be attributed with an influence on the start of punk they also did plenty to bring glam rock around in the UK.

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                                                                                                                                • wyldworx
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                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 5144
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  the sex pistols as great as they were, rocked a moment.
                                                                                                                                  the clash shaped an era.
                                                                                                                                  the ramones can be annoying.

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                                                                                                                                    • LAJ
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                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 5567
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Ummm... there is no contest here. The Ramones shit all over the Clash and the Sex Pistols. A couple of good songs or one good album does not a great punk band make.

                                                                                                                                      It's arguable that Iggy and the Stooges started punk rock in the late 60s anyway.
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                                                                                                                                        • LAJ
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 5567
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sarah_MaxCash
                                                                                                                                          However, I still think the Buzzcocks in their prime were better than all three.
                                                                                                                                          From a talent aspect, I would have to agree. I saw them nearly 20 years ago and still have Steve Diggle's guitar pick from that show
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Iggy is punk.

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                                                                                                                                                • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 40077
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by LAJ
                                                                                                                                                  From a talent aspect, I would have to agree. I saw them nearly 20 years ago and still have Steve Diggle's guitar pick from that show
                                                                                                                                                  I tend to say that the Buzzcocks are what happened when punk started to think it was okay to know how to play an instrument and thought harmony wasn't the devil. Even if they are Northern punk rather than London punk they still push all the right buttons for me...even if I did mutter that punk was offically dead when one of their songs was used in Shrek 2.

                                                                                                                                                  I have to admit that I smile to myself every time I walk past the 100 Club on Oxford Street in London. I used to catch my bus home from work home right outside of the club and even though now it is usually Salsa lessons on offer it was nice to know that the club where London punk was born is still open.

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                                                                                                                                                    • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                      • May 2001
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by banthis
                                                                                                                                                      All i have to say to that is:
                                                                                                                                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSoQnEv9rhU
                                                                                                                                                      Like I said, he couldn't sing for shit.

                                                                                                                                                      First time I heard that back in the day I kept wishing someone would put a bullet in his head and make it stop.

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                                                                                                                                                        • not-a-troll
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          sex pistols.

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                                                                                                                                                            • SuzzyQ
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                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2006
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              What about the B-52s and Devo

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                                                                                                                                                                • CurrentlySober
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 38984
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  It has to be the Sex Pistols...
                                                                                                                                                                  But I am biasied... Why ? Cause
                                                                                                                                                                  1) Im from England and
                                                                                                                                                                  2) I have actually met Sid!

                                                                                                                                                                  When i was a child I used to stay with my grandparents in the summer, who lived in London.

                                                                                                                                                                  They had a small flat above a shop in the kings road... This happened to be just a few doors away from SEX (Malcoms Shop)

                                                                                                                                                                  In the summer of 76 or 77 (I forget exactly) I used to go out to play outside and watch the punks with their 'silly hair' as they walked up and down the street, going in and out of SEX... Allthough i never remember seeing 'the sex pistols' (all four together with glen matlock in place of sid) I do remember Sid himself coming in and out the shop, and rolling about on the pavement once, wearing a rubber tee shirt which was way too tight...

                                                                                                                                                                  Obviously, I didnt know him as Sid... But because i saw him a lot, and because he saw me a lot, eventually, he used to say, 'alright mate' or 'alright my son' and give me a big thumbs up, and nearly stik his hand in my face when he did it... ! I was about 7 or 8 at the time, but i remember it like yesterday

                                                                                                                                                                  Fast forward to early 2001, and I got to meet Steve Jones, while I was in LA... (Long story, but he was cool)

                                                                                                                                                                  Finally, i was also told by a music exec guy that rotton / lydon had a bar in the marina dell ray, and he was going to take me down there, and intoduce me to him... But it never happened

                                                                                                                                                                  But anyway... Waffle over.. i vote for the sex pistols... thankyou, and goodnght
                                                                                                                                                                  ️ ️

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 40077
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      I actually think the legacy of the Pistols suffers from the Sid association. He had little to do with any of their music..he was a late comer to the band..he wasn't even plugged in because he couldn't play at all. Not even 'sex pistols' bad which in reality wasn't that bad because they could really play they were just filling a role.

                                                                                                                                                                      John Lydon has continually been a head of his time musically. PIL was doing the kind of dance music that the Prodigy later made their name by way before them (Rammstien even give them a little 'This is not a love song' homage during one of their songs).

                                                                                                                                                                      Sid was that bad side of punk where it was just drugs and 'fuck you'. The 'fuck you' I like in punk is the 'fuck you' that is backed up with a real attitude and usually with a political/social message somewhere behind the attitude. The best British punk had that ..Clash, Buzzcocks, The Dammed, etc all had either a political 'fuck you' behind their songs or a 'fuck you I am going to a fuck who I want no matter what your god might think' behind them. Sid added nothing but something for people AFTER the height of punk to cling to and claim was THE punk.

                                                                                                                                                                      Btw..I knew I was going to marry my husband when I found out he was on the boat on the Thames with the pistols when they got arrested for playing for the Jubilee.

                                                                                                                                                                      The UK is SO different now since those arrests were possible and a lot of that had to do with the attitudes of not following class system for the heck of it. That record simply could not be banned now ..it just would not happen. To me that is the legacy of British punk and it has nothing to do with Sid.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                          • 40077
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SuzzyQ
                                                                                                                                                                          What about the B-52s and Devo
                                                                                                                                                                          You might be joking but I actually love early B-52s stuff ..My Private Idaho is my personal favorite. A rather different punk scene than any of the three mentioned in the thread title.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              If there wasn't a RAMONES it wouldn't be a SEX PISTOLS or THE CLASH... Still I LOVE THE CLASH.
                                                                                                                                                                              Last edited by CaptainHowdy; 04-27-2007, 01:49 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 40077
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Ever seen the Ramones documentary that was out a couple years ago? I was interested by how much of their success they attributed to coming to the UK at the right time in their career.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                                                                                                                                                                                      If there wasn't a RAMONES it wouldn't be a SEX PISTOLS or THE CLASH
                                                                                                                                                                                      And without Bach there wouldnt be Elvis!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • chodadog
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by thesuspectdevice
                                                                                                                                                                                          hey banthis,

                                                                                                                                                                                          watch this documentary... http://www.punkattitude.co.uk/

                                                                                                                                                                                          it will help you to know more about Punk Music, origin and the people around the scene.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Cheers mate!
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • jonesy
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              fucking NEW YORK DOLLS AND IGGY started punk rock

                                                                                                                                                                                              followed by in order
                                                                                                                                                                                              the ramones
                                                                                                                                                                                              the pistols
                                                                                                                                                                                              .
                                                                                                                                                                                              Shooting Bikini Girls

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Out of those three the ramones would be number one for me. As for who started punk, MC5.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • buzzy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      lol this is easy. anyone who picks anything other than the clash either hasnt heard the clash or is from the south of america

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