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Yeah the nuclear weapons thing in Canada is fucked, due to some smug attitude.
While it has no more permanently stationed nuclear weapons, Canada continues to allow nuclear-armed American planes and naval vessels to use Canadian facilities.Comment
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Lol ridiculous thread
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We could probably defeat a large percentage of them, we are the world's 'friends' and the UN wouldn't let anyone get a leg up on us. Major superpowers most likely void from this as they'd have the pull (possibly) to sway that opinion.
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I find this whole thread rather amusing ...
Wars are not fought by single countries ... they are fought by coalitions composed of allies ...
Of which Canada has plenty.
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(and for the record, CANADA has been the major presence in Afghanistan since the war began ... We've been much more active in Afghanistan than the US)
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Sir, I am impressed.
Kicked ass? You mean burning down the US White House in retribution of the USA burning down York, now known as Toronto? Is that what you are referring too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner has nothing about Canada in it. Nor did any of my history books.
Because if memory serves me correct, the Treaty of Ghent was signed due to the war of 1812 being a stalemate. A brand new country, stalemating a World Power. Let's not forget, it was the British, as was mentioned earlier. And if you are going misquote history, you might as well get it right, it was the British Navy who burned down the White House.
At least you were partly right, today MIGHT be a different story. It would take the US at least a day to take over Canada now.
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Was Canada even a Country in 1812? Wasn't in.... French controlled? Anyway...
Technically it was the British Army who burned the White House, I know Canadians like to pretend it's the same people, but that would be like saying we were all basically brits, other than 99% of the force fighting us actually came from England. They also occupied what was then DC and they burnt the contents within the White house (which was empty other than slaves) and the building still stood, in retaliation for Americans burning down non-military buildings (like houses) in Toronto.
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Sir, I am impressed.
Kicked ass? You mean burning down the US White House in retribution of the USA burning down York, now known as Toronto? Is that what you are referring too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner has nothing about Canada in it. Nor did any of my history books.
Because if memory serves me correct, the Treaty of Ghent was signed due to the war of 1812 being a stalemate. A brand new country, stalemating a World Power. Let's not forget, it was the British, as was mentioned earlier. And if you are going misquote history, you might as well get it right, it was the British Navy who burned down the White House.
At least you were partly right, today MIGHT be a different story. It would take the US at least a day to take over Canada now.
I lived in Canada for a couple of years... Canadians are VERY proud of the war of 1812, it was told to me many times, and each time it's incredibly wrong. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Yah, I've heard it all too. One of the reasons of the war was the conscription or impressment of American Sailors into the British Navy. Did the US want some land up north, absolutely. Almost got it too. But the total rewrite of how Canada won the war of 1812, absolutely wrong.
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hahaha... "if memory serves me correct"
Because if memory serves me correct, the Treaty of Ghent was signed due to the war of 1812 being a stalemate. A brand new country, stalemating a World Power. Let's not forget, it was the British, as was mentioned earlier. And if you are going misquote history, you might as well get it right, it was the British Navy who burned down the White House.
At least you were partly right, today MIGHT be a different story. It would take the US at least a day to take over Canada now.
You're a 40 something Filipino porn slinger who loves guns and MMA. I think you meant to say "if everything I just looked up and skimmed through in Google..."Comment
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Canada existed in 1812, we just weren't officially a country, and while it was largely the people of Canada who won the war, we weren't literally Canadians yet. We were mostly under British rule, and it was under the guidance of the Brits that we were ale to send the Americans running back home after their failed invasion. In fact we owe a large part of the thanks to the native population for us not being a part of that unstable shit heap of a country. The Americans were scared shitless of our injuns.Comment
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Oh I've done this research years ago when the boast of Canada burning down the White House were made on GFY. So yes, the quote "if memory serves me correct" is apt.
What exactly does being 40, selling porn, loving guns and training/fighting MMA have to do with any of this? Or was that a disparaging remark to downplay and character assassinate and draw a straw man argument? Because it doesn't take away the fact that my information is right.
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Now we've got the America bullshit opinion of what happened. See we both have one. You held a little ground, mostly around Lake Erie. Things bounced around back ad forth between sides on Lake Ontario. You failed miserably in trying to take Montreal. The Americans kept on trying but couldn't organize their shit worth a fuck and due to the fact that they mostly sucked kept losing back everything they gained to what wasn't exactly a strong enemy force. Through the majority of the attacks America lost out due to the fact that the Brits were simply a more effective force, and during the majority of the attacks the American troops struggled just to keep going due to their lack of skill and experience. Almost is a bit of a overstatement, but I wouldn't expect an American to admit they failed at winning a fight they started.
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A fledgling country fighting the world's superpower to a draw not impressive? Burning down the fucking capital of the UK in North America not impressive? What the British did was in retaliation to America's attack. Read your history, the UK Navy started this war, not America. And the UK didn't win, nobody did. Read up on the Treaty of Ghent.Now we've got the America bullshit opinion of what happened. See we both have one. You held a little ground, mostly around Lake Erie. Things bounced around back ad forth between sides on Lake Ontario. You failed miserably in trying to take Montreal. The Americans kept on trying but couldn't organize their shit worth a fuck and due to the fact that they mostly sucked kept losing back everything they gained to what wasn't exactly a strong enemy force. Through the majority of the attacks America lost out due to the fact that the Brits were simply a more effective force, and during the majority of the attacks the American troops struggled just to keep going due to their lack of skill and experience. Almost is a bit of a overstatement, but I wouldn't expect an American to admit they failed at winning a fight they started.
Well I was impressed, but I take it back. Just more nonsense.
People of Canada won the war? Sure, there were part of Canadians in the UK British and Navy, but to say it was the people of Canada who won the war is a joke. That's why all the history books repeat what you are spewing. Right? Ummm, no cause it's wrong.
How about those Canadians who fought for the USA? Do you take pride in those Canadians who fought for the USA and brought the British Empire to a draw on the battlefield?
War of 1812
The Upper Canadian Volunteers (U.C.V.) were a small military unit organized at Fort George, Upper Canada, in July 1813 by Joseph Willcocks to fight with American forces during the War of 1812. The U.C.V. participated in the occupation of the Niagara peninsula July to Dec. 1813, and withdrew to the U.S. after burning Newark (Niagara-on-the-Lake) in December 1813. The unit fought in all the major battles of 1814, including the siege of Fort Erie where Willcocks was killed. After the war, its members received free land grants from the American Congress
War of 1812 Upper Canadian Volunteers - Roll of men belonging to the corps of Canadian volunteers In the service of the United States under the command of col. Jos. Willcocks who were ordered to service in different detachments. List taken At Batavia As Of June 1815
Name: Date of Enlistment Status
Smith, Luther, Sgt. July 18, 1813 Wounded at Bridgewater
Squires, Ephraim H, Sgt Dec 12, 1813
Thomas, Seneca, Sgt. July 18, 1813
Seely, Silas, H, Sgt. July 18, 1813
Bennett, John, Pvt July 18, 1813
Fosgat, Silas, Pvt Dec 7, 1813
McGee, William Pvt July 18, 1813
Mallory, Abraham Pvt May 18, 1814
Gaugh, John Pvt July 18, 1813
Dean, Silas Pvt Nov 12, 1813
Griffith, Joseph Pvt Jan 31, 1814
Sherwood, Nathan Pvt Nov 12, 1813
Johnson, John Pvt July 18, 1813
Simmons, John Pvt Feb 18, 1814
Curtis, Grove C July 18, 1813
Fraser, Samuel, Pvt Nov 7, 1813 Wound ed at Bridgewater
Merselas, Cary, Pvt Dec 12, 1813
Palmer, David Pvt Dec 12, 1813 Taken prisoner, Black Rock
Huffman, William Pvt May 18, 1814
Lewis, Jonah Pvt Dec 12, 1813
McGee, James Pvt July 18, 1813
Gilbert, Abner Pvt July 18, 1813
Tufford, Phillip Pvt Nov 3, 1813
The above list or roll of men were mustered as aobve described and were discharged at Batavia June the 15th.
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you mean, of course, keep losing to a bunch of farmers and natives? I love this whole 'you were british then' hahahahNow we've got the America bullshit opinion of what happened. See we both have one. You held a little ground, mostly around Lake Erie. Things bounced around back ad forth between sides on Lake Ontario. You failed miserably in trying to take Montreal. The Americans kept on trying but couldn't organize their shit worth a fuck and due to the fact that they mostly sucked kept losing back everything they gained to what wasn't exactly a strong enemy force. Through the majority of the attacks America lost out due to the fact that the Brits were simply a more effective force, and during the majority of the attacks the American troops struggled just to keep going due to their lack of skill and experience. Almost is a bit of a overstatement, but I wouldn't expect an American to admit they failed at winning a fight they started.
no, the AMERICANS kept on calling us british and picked on the smaller, far more available, younger cousin to lash out like a butt-hurt bitch
so yea, stroke whatever egos necessary, and we'll see you again in your '1-2 day invasion'
cause the world now knows that really means 'several years'Last edited by _Richard_; 10-14-2010, 07:13 AM.Comment
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Technically we could invade and take over anyone - the world wouldn't even see it coming and no one would believe the country being defeated simply because we'd just say, "we're on a peace keeping mission"Comment
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i love when Canadians argue with each other on their flawed history retelling. I don't care if you are a Canuck Richard, you are still the shiznit in my book. As I know you forgive me for being an American.
But as for the correct history, it was the British, notably the British Navy that started this whole war. We were just defending ourselves and maybe trying to get some of that prime Canadian Real Estate round the Great Lakes. LOL
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We kept you out of our country when you were invading us. That counts as a win in my books. Even though we were technically under British rule, and the move into Canada came as a retaliation against the British. It is considered a victory for Canada by most Canadians because it kept us as Canada, and not a part of the US. For the Brits, the French, and the natives who lived here and fought to keep America out. So what about the Canadians that fought for your side? There were about 500 of them. What about all the Americans who fled to Canada and fought with us remaining loyal to the empire? That's a plain old pointless argument.
They Americans thought they could march right into Canada and crush us. They even said so. It turned out they were sadly mistaken and defeated repeatedly, gaining zero ground in the process. You could overthrow the Brits in America, but you couldn't manage it in Canada.
Sorry to tell you, but you didn't accomplish shit in that war.
And for the record. You keep blaming the Brits for starting shit. You started that shit way back during the american revolution...Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 10-14-2010, 07:36 AM.Comment
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the correct history is simply that the british were already fighting a war against the french, and what set this off was the trade embargo that America felt was 'unjust' in the eyes of international law. Something funny, considering the whole flotilla fiasco recently. Further more, the 'impressement' issue was the british going after Royal Navy Veterans and Deserters, and getting them back on the new ships meant to take over the seas and eventually set the stage for victories during ww1 and ww2.i love when Canadians argue with each other on their flawed history retelling. I don't care if you are a Canuck Richard, you are still the shiznit in my book. As I know you forgive me for being an American.
But as for the correct history, it was the British, notably the British Navy that started this whole war. We were just defending ourselves and maybe trying to get some of that prime Canadian Real Estate round the Great Lakes. LOL
So while the term 'just defending yourselves' is a good one, it's more a "'we want to take out the northern territories 'Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin'", and from what i recall, it was all the southern states voting to have the war, and all the northern states voting against it
but i'm sure you forgive me for being canadian
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Northern states were still selling us supplies during the war, when they were supposedly forbidden to. So how about all the Americans who kept us going? If America could have organized their shit eve half-assed, maybe they would have had a chance. It's not like we were a strong force to contend with, but our Brit leadership could at least keep their shit together. The Americans made no real lasting advance into Canadian territory because everything they did was a bumbling mess. Hell, even the French and the Indians took the British side. That is saying something.the correct history is simply that the british were already fighting a war against the french, and what set this off was the trade embargo that America felt was 'unjust' in the eyes of international law. Something funny, considering the whole flotilla fiasco recently. Further more, the 'impressement' issue was the british going after Royal Navy Veterans and Deserters, and getting them back on the new ships meant to take over the seas and eventually set the stage for victories during ww1 and ww2.
So while the term 'just defending yourselves' is a good one, it's more a "'we want to take out the northern territories 'Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin'", and from what i recall, it was all the southern states voting to have the war, and all the northern states voting against it
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On the flipside, the UK with Canadian regulars also couldn't do shit. Over and over again, I've said it. It was a stalemate, with both sides not able to win decisive or hold any ground. Hence the Treaty of Ghent. To keep on spouting that US lost the war is absolutely wrong. I will concede to your thinking and explanation that it's considered a win because you kept the US out of Canada, by Canadians. The rest of the world and history sees it for what it is. The Americas, a new country, held the premiere World Superpower to a draw.
As for who started the war, I don't blame anyone. It's in the annals of history who started it, and it was the British Navy. Look it up, or not. That way you can keep on with your incorrect and personal view of history.
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this thread turned kind of gay.we'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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The trade embargo was unjust, and the impressment of American Sailors to fight for the UK against the French was just another, if not the main reason for the war of 1812.
I've already stated that it was another grab for land for the Americas as well as another chance to give the UK a matching black eye after the Americas Independence. I am not aware of any split between the states on whether we went to war or not, but if history is any indication of my country's declarations of war, bullshit excuses have been used to go to war for less.So while the term 'just defending yourselves' is a good one, it's more a "'we want to take out the northern territories 'Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin'", and from what i recall, it was all the southern states voting to have the war, and all the northern states voting against it
but i'm sure you forgive me for being canadian
And of course I forgive you for being Canadian, as I do all my Canadian friends that end up living in the USA, becoming citizens and card carrying members of the NRA.
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