Pro gun freaks - why don't you realize a few things like:

I'm curious - does the chart above take into account population and population density?

The US pop is around: 298,444,215
Denmark, around: 5,450,661

I'd bet even in a magical world without guns, the US would then be outranking Denmark on knife deaths. Take away the knives, the US would be winning in deaths by spoons....

*shrug*

50 reasons not to own a gun...

Where guns are banned.. only the criminals have them.

Without GFY we would not have idiots like you to laugh at.

A complete ban is impossible due to the amount of Americans who hunt for food and trade. Yes, this is still very large and a huge person to person business, banning guns would starve a large % of our population. Meat trades for milk, corn, ect is very very large in Hawaii, Alaska, and many areas throughout the South and Central US. Just like plenty of Americans still have an outhouse and to get water they have to put in buckets from a natural spring.


Now a ban on handguns, autos, ect.. I would have no problems following along as long as Criminals where forced to give them up too..

This says it all...
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2807602702866411553&hl=en

Holland would be a way more dangerous place if besides a few criminal the rest of population also had guns. I would move countries.

Dont you understand that? Is it really that hard to understand? The more guns the more dangerous it gets? No matter in which hands they are? How can you fail to understand that???

Im not trying to get involved or into a debate, but in all reality, a gun doesn't point itself, a gun doesn't fire itself, if it's properly stored/handled and doesn't get into the hands of irresponsible kids/people, a gun can be harmless. The problem isn't the gun, it's the raging psychopath that holds the gun. If the kid involved in this shooting didn't have a gun, he would have used something else. Case in point; CNN Video: "Profile of a Murderer" (4th story down); They found bomb making materials in his dorm room, and linked it to previous bomb threats. Basically, my point is; A gun is only a threat when the person holding it is deemed a threat. Granted, there are accidents with guns, but there are accidents with everything, including things that you would view "completely innocent." Gun control shouldn't be the issue, nor should it be movies, music, or videogames. In the end, it's the PEOPLE that should be held accountable.

What those statistics don't show is the real breakdown of where those gun related crimes happen. The US is not infiltrated with roving gangs of shooters. The majority of the gun problem is in the inner cities. Gangs shooting members of other gangs. In Milwaukee last year alone,there were nearly 100 gun related murders. 86 of those were gang related.
If the US has a problem,it's how to handle generation after generation of inner city people who know no other way. You'd be surprised Franck at how peaceful most of the cities in the US actually are. Look at the numbers demographically and you will see for yourself. There are pockets of violence here just like there is everywhere.
Solve the gang,drug and poverty issues of the inner cities and the gun related death numbers will look dramatically different.

Ah another trailer trash imbecile has arrived. One of the worst kind. The typical American hick. First class redneck who never seen another country yet thinks America is theeeeeeeee beeeeeeeeeeeeessst country in the world.

The more guns in a country the more dangerous it gets. And that is a fact. Criminals or not. Guns make a problem that wasnt there before.

Aah the usual stupid reasons 'guns don't kill people, people do.'

Once again for the slow people. Right now in Holland only a few "bad guys" have guns. Thats shit and when youre really unlucky you get one pointed at you. But that is very highly unlikely. Now if we would be imbeciles like many Americans are we would all arm ourself in the name of self protection and suddenly there would be many, many people with guns. And thats where things would go wrong. I can not imagine people having guns here in their homes and on the streets. It would be the biggest fucking mess possible. Gun deaths would rise like crazy. And self protection? Nah, maybe 1 or 2 people who actually need it for self protection.

So, basically, you're saying Holland's filled with a bunch of irresponsible dipshits who can't handle an inanimate object, albeit a dangerous one?

Quick, show me some stats on kitchen accidents in Holland -- I'd like to see that.

Just wondering . . . now that you have the EU, do you consider that one country

Ofcourse not imbecile.

??? Imbecile?

read the graph, its per 100,000 people. Do you understand what that means?????

fuck guns....look at these stats on accidental eye injuries!





Country/Region Extrapolated Incidence Population Estimated Used
Accidental Eye Injury in North America (Extrapolated Statistics)
USA 1,056,930 293,655,4051
Canada 117,002 32,507,8742
Mexico 377,772 104,959,5942
Accidental Eye Injury in Central America (Extrapolated Statistics)
Belize 982 272,9452
Guatemala 51,399 14,280,5962
Nicaragua 19,290 5,359,7592
Accidental Eye Injury in Caribbean (Extrapolated Statistics)
Puerto Rico 14,029 3,897,9602
Accidental Eye Injury in South America (Extrapolated Statistics)
Brazil 662,620 184,101,1092
Chile 56,953 15,823,9572
Colombia 152,285 42,310,7752
Paraguay 22,284 6,191,3682
Peru 99,138 27,544,3052
Venezuela 90,043 25,017,3872
Accidental Eye Injury in Northern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Denmark 19,483 5,413,3922
Finland 18,768 5,214,5122
Iceland 1,058 293,9662
Sweden 32,344 8,986,4002
Accidental Eye Injury in Western Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Britain (United Kingdom) 216,927 60,270,708 for UK2
Belgium 37,245 10,348,2762
France 217,480 60,424,2132
Ireland 14,287 3,969,5582
Luxembourg 1,665 462,6902
Monaco 116 32,2702
Netherlands (Holland) 58,732 16,318,1992
United Kingdom 216,927 60,270,7082
Wales 10,502 2,918,0002
Accidental Eye Injury in Central Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Austria 29,422 8,174,7622
Czech Republic 4,485 1,0246,1782
Germany 296,664 82,424,6092
Hungary 36,108 10,032,3752
Liechtenstein 120 33,4362
Poland 139,024 38,626,3492
Slovakia 19,520 5,423,5672
Slovenia 7,239 2,011,473 2
Switzerland 26,817 7,450,8672
Accidental Eye Injury in Eastern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Belarus 37,109 10,310,5202
Estonia 4,828 1,341,6642
Latvia 8,300 2,306,3062
Lithuania 12,985 3,607,8992
Russia 518,194 143,974,0592
Ukraine 171,798 47,732,0792
Accidental Eye Injury in the Southwestern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Azerbaijan 28,320 7,868,3852
Portugal 37,878 10,524,1452
Spain 144,979 40,280,7802
Georgia 16,894 4,693,8922
Accidental Eye Injury in the Southern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Italy 208,961 58,057,4772
Greece 38,322 10,647,5292
Accidental Eye Injury in the Southeastern Europe (Extrapolated Statistics)
Albania 12,758 3,544,8082
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1,467 407,6082
Bulgaria 27,058 7,517,9732
Croatia 16,185 4,496,8692
Macedonia 7,342 2,040,0852
Romania 80,462 22,355,5512
Serbia and Montenegro 38,964 10,825,9002
Accidental Eye Injury in Northern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Mongolia 9,902 2,751,3142
Accidental Eye Injury in Central Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Kazakhstan 54,505 15,143,7042
Tajikistan 25,236 7,011,556 2
Uzbekistan 95,056 26,410,4162
Accidental Eye Injury in Eastern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
China 4,674,837 1,298,847,6242
Hong Kong s.a.r. 24,673 6,855,1252
Japan 458,299 127,333,0022
Macau s.a.r. 1,602 445,2862
North Korea 81,693 22,697,5532
South Korea 173,603 48,233,7602
Taiwan 81,881 22,749,8382
Accidental Eye Injury in Southwestern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Turkey 247,964 68,893,9182
Accidental Eye Injury in Southern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
Afghanistan 102,626 28,513,6772
Bangladesh 508,715 141,340,4762
Bhutan 7,866 2,185,5692
India 3,833,423 1,065,070,6072
Pakistan 572,982 159,196,3362
Sri Lanka 71,643 19,905,1652
Accidental Eye Injury in Southeastern Asia (Extrapolated Statistics)
East Timor 3,668 1,019,2522
Indonesia 858,244 238,452,9522
Laos 21,840 6,068,1172
Malaysia 84,662 23,522,4822
Philippines 310,402 86,241,6972
Singapore 15,670 4,353,8932
Thailand 233,465 64,865,5232
Vietnam 297,521 82,662,8002
Accidental Eye Injury in the Middle East (Extrapolated Statistics)
Gaza strip 4,768 1,324,9912
Iran 242,958 67,503,2052
Iraq 91,329 25,374,6912
Israel 22,311 6,199,0082
Jordan 20,195 5,611,2022
Kuwait 8,125 2,257,5492
Lebanon 13,595 3,777,2182
Saudi Arabia 92,845 25,795,9382
Syria 64,846 18,016,8742
United Arab Emirates 9,084 2,523,9152
West Bank 8,318 2,311,2042
Yemen 72,073 20,024,8672
Accidental Eye Injury in Northern Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Egypt 273,963 76,117,4212
Libya 20,269 5,631,5852
Sudan 140,902 39,148,1622
Accidental Eye Injury in Western Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Congo Brazzaville 10,790 2,998,0402
Ghana 74,709 20,757,0322
Liberia 12,203 3,390,6352
Niger 40,889 11,360,5382
Nigeria 63,887 12,5750,3562
Senegal 39,059 10,852,1472
Sierra leone 21,177 5,883,8892
Accidental Eye Injury in Central Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Central African Republic 13,470 3,742,4822
Chad 34,331 9,538,5442
Congo kinshasa 209,895 58,317,0302
Rwanda 29,652 8,238,6732
Accidental Eye Injury in Eastern Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Ethiopia 256,755 71,336,5712
Kenya 118,709 32,982,1092
Somalia 29,890 8,304,6012
Tanzania 129,826 36,070,7992
Uganda 94,984 26,390,2582
Accidental Eye Injury in Southern Africa (Extrapolated Statistics)
Angola 39,514 10,978,5522
Botswana 5,899 1,639,2312
South Africa 159,979 44,448,4702
Swaziland 4,208 1,169,2412
Zambia 39,683 11,025,6902
Zimbabwe 13,215 1,2671,8602
Accidental Eye Injury in Oceania (Extrapolated Statistics)
Australia 71,671 19,913,1442
New Zealand 14,374 3,993,8172
Papua New Guinea 19,508 5,420,2802

No imbecile, im saying we have America as an example of what happens when a country is flooded with guns. And lucky for me we dont have that problem. And when we do its time to move.

I should have said it better or clearer, I meant a complete ban on handguns and automatic weapons etc, not hunting rifles, and only within the context of my previous post.

Since it won't happen, people wanting it are basically dreaming with their heads in the proverbial clouds. Most americans (USA) feel their right to own a gun for personal protection needs preserving, and in the state their country is in (in some areas especially) I am not for opposing them.

Put it this way, if my car broke down while driving through a rough neighborhood I know most if not everyone here would feel much safer knowing they had a way to protect themselves if something were to happen. Although I suppose some are happy and content to trust/hope that the criminal robbing them won't shoot them and either leave them for dead or kill them outright.

Having a gun just puts a little bit of power back in the victim's hands, and it is because of that fact right there that a lot of people are reluctant to support a ban.

If the ban applied to the criminals too then people's minds might change. Until then I'd hazard a good guess the guns are staying.

Yes.
Yes I do.
I was just raising a point that the graph doesn't really paint a true picture. Minte actually posted a more relevant point to the issue:

Points that frank just can't seem to comprehend. Sure, in a magical world without guns, gun-related deaths would disappear. I'd still bet the US would beat the shit out of Holland in some form of murder, though.

Anyone that doesn't understand Guns in American - and thinks we should have gun control, read this.

You could take away 'our' guns and crime with guns will still happen. Fact.

At this point, with imports, cia, ect ect ect.. the gangs, mobs, mafia, whatevers have more guns, more high powered guns, autos, and the amount of hand guns on the street - is enough to defend our country from any attacking country. It would be simply be stupid for anyone to invade us. Now this includes our Police forces, they simply can not patrol all parts of cities at all times - safely. If you don't understand that go rent a nice car and drive through some part of LA (no idea but someone here can help you with that).. Now on the flip side, Texas as the country folk extreme.

So to take away the honest - registered - safe - gun owners does nothing but create more crime. And nobody is going to be forced to give up their guns, that said - the only problem is the guns the criminals have, which nobody really has a solution for.

If they could design a gun that could only be fired by the person who's fingerprint is associated with that gun.... ( Using fingerprint recognization technology built into the grip/trigger of the gun )


Too bad there are so many guns in the world that it wouldn't matter, people would still use old technology weapons and ammunition.

Another thing, maybe guns aren't the problem at all. Maybe it's the culture?


America loves sex and violence. Maybe that's why the family units are so fucked up across North America? Too much fucking and killing?


Brazil is fucked too.


Perhaps the globe doesn't need less guns, but instead, a worldwide shift in human thought.


Time to start putting massive doses of MDMA into the water and food supply. People will be too busy giving back rubs and hugs to think about killing each other. Nobody high on MDMA would leave their wife and kids, either.

( I'm serious! )

"According to the CDC, the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in these other countries"

Hope some of you care more about your children than your "right" to own a gun...

What the USA needs:


Less guns, more MDMA

Hmm so are accidental deaths of children lower "overall" in other countries, or do they stay about the same just using different methods?

Calm down South Park.. Children are humans, a 2 year old, 4, 22, 50, 90.. are all the same, humans.. We all have the same rights, skin color, age, ect.. Yes we want to provide 'simple' safety for our kids - but as 'humans' we have the right to be stupid.

I choose to be responsible and lock my guns in a digital gun safe. Why should my guns be taken away because of other stupid people?

im sorry I worry more about what my son will see watching sponge bob than I worry about him getting once of my guns and using it... sorry call me what you want but I was raised in a house with guns I am fine... I do stress the fact that you teach them about saftey and proper gun use handeling and care...

why do the general american seem to think only about his or her rights? you are all a part of a society, time to deal with it... btw, do your kids visit the house next door? would they have guns in the open? are they responsible like you?

"Most guns involved in self-inflicted and unintentional firearm injuries (that is, in suicides and accidents) came either from the victim's home or the home of a friend or relative"

how about his friends? kids are just plain stupid sometimes and will run into the road to chase their basketballs... they just don't think about the risks

And thats why you are the most imbecile piece of white trash dirt that posts on this board. Once again, you are part of the huge problem America has with guns. You are a huge part of it. You and people like you. A direct threat to society. I am serious when i say people like you shouldnt be allowed to have the freedom they have.

The average dog is smarter than you. You dont even realize it because your tiny brain doesnt let you.

Here is a tale of two cities: one that banned handguns and one that required guns. Guess which town enjoyed a plunge in crime.

In June 1981, Morton Grove, Ill., a northern suburb of Chicago, passed an ordinance banning handguns. In reaction, Kennesaw, Ga., a northern suburb of Atlanta, passed an ordinance requiring heads of households "to maintain a firearm" and ammunition "to provide for the civil defense" and "protect the general welfare of the City and its inhabitants."


"Some people seem to think our residents are not armed," Morton Grove Police Chief George Incledon, told United Press International on Tuesday. The chief pointed out that the law did not prohibit ownership of shotguns or rifles, and that gun collectors were exempt.

Many citizens prefer shotguns to handguns for home defense. Incledon did not define "gun collector." Morton Grove residents could store their handguns outside the village limits or at a licensed gun club.

Moreover, Incledon recalled, out of a population of 25,000, only "a few people, maybe 10," surrendered handguns to police in the months after the law went into effect.

Similarly, Kennesaw's law provides so many loopholes that, in effect, no one is compelled to obey it. Convicted felons are, of course, excluded. Also exempt are those "who suffer a physical disability [undefined] which would prohibit them from using such a firearm" and those who "conscientiously oppose firearms as a result of religious doctrine or belief [also undefined]." Inhabitants may claim exemptions for moral or financial reasons, said Detective Cpl. Craig Graydon, a Kennesaw Police Department spokesman, in a phone interview Tuesday.

According to a National Rifle Association document, the law was not expected to increase gun ownership. "It was expected that publicity surrounding the ordinance would warn criminals that residents were capable of protecting themselves and their community and would do so with the government's blessing," the document said.

The results?

Not much of anything in Morton Grove. "We were fortunate to have a low rate of violent crime before the ordinance was passed, and we are fortunate now that the rate is still low," Incledon told UPI.

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But Kennesaw's crime rate plummeted. In fact, the number of some crimes declined amid soaring population growth. For example, in figures the city provided to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, Kennesaw had 54 burglaries in 1981 ? the year before the gun ordinance ? with a population of 5,242. In 1999, with a population of 19,000, only 36 burglaries were reported.

The rate of violent crime is approximately four times lower than the state and national rates, Kennesaw's Crime Statistics Report said. "Violent crime is almost nonexistent in residential neighborhoods," Graydon told UPI. The detective, who has been with the police department since 1986, said the isolated exceptions take place in motels or in commercial areas.

Graydon said he has lived in the area since 1979 and has heard no open opposition to the gun law. This remains the case even though most of Kennesaw's newcomers are from northern states.

Asked whether the ordinance has attracted new people to Kennesaw, Graydon said: "Not specifically the law itself, but quite a few people cite the low crime rate, which a lot of people do attribute, at least in part, to the gun law."

The detective said Kennesaw used state criteria for carrying a concealed handgun. "It's not that difficult" to get the license, he said. Unlike some other jurisdictions, Georgia does not require permit holders to submit the serial numbers of their handguns to the police. "We don't register firearms down here," Graydon said.

On Tuesday afternoon, Handgun Control's Washington office was invited to comment on Kennesaw's crime statistics. A spokeswoman there replied that no one from the organization could address the issue until after a press conference.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.

"When researchers studied the 30,000 accidental gun deaths of Americans of all ages that occurred between 1979-1997, they found that preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates. The findings indicate that gun availability is associated with accidental death by shooting"

pretty sad

What about drugs? How do I know if the neighbors are on drugs? You can't tell with many drugs. How about drunk, drinkers, drinking and driving - do the neighbors do it? Should I let my kids play out front, someone could take them. What about my stove, should I raise it up so they can't touch the gas knobs? What about my dog, or cats... they can kill our new baby - best get rid of the cat. Do I need to go on?

No Crime In Geuda Springs, Kansas

Some folks in Kansas are up in arms these days.

In the town of Geuda Springs, the town council recently passed an ordinance requiring every resident to own a firearm. And that had some people making the direst predictions.

Gun accidents will increase, they claimed. Murders will be up.

We've heard it all before. We hear the same cries from the Chicken Littles of the world every time a city or state encourages more gun ownership. Anti-gun fanatics come out of the woodwork, predicting that more guns in people's hands will result in rivers of blood flowing in the streets.

But it never happens.

It's just a good thing that a lot of politicos don't make their living making forecasts. The weathermen get it right more often.

Kennesaw, Georgia enacted a similar law in 1982 requiring every household to own a firearm, exempting those with criminal records or religious objections. Opponents argued the law would result in serious accidents and that angry residents would settle their differences with gunfire. Happily, those predictions never materialized.

The residential burglary rate in Kennesaw fell immediately -- almost 90 percent in the months directly following the law's enactment. That drop far outpaced the more modest 10.4 percent drop in the entire state of Georgia during the same period.

In the ensuing years, Kennesaw's crime rate has remained at basement levels. In 2001, there was not one murder in the town. No one was gunned down, even though the entire town is armed! The law has continued to work well for 20 years.

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And their burglary rate? Well, it seems that thieves are still scared to enter the premises of the average Kennesaw home. Burglaries are still down more than 80 percent.

Kennesaw's results should not be surprising. Guns are a deterrent to bad guys, and Geuda Springs would have started to enjoy similar results soon.

But not yet. You see, the Chicken Littles were able to prevail upon the Mayor of Geuda Springs, who recently vetoed the ordinance.

Opponents argued that more guns in people's homes would lead to more shootings, more killings and more carnage. It would mean increased liability for the town.

Of course, this ignores the contrary record that has been evidenced in Kennesaw.

The liability argument seems spurious at best. And it is inconsistent. If one can hold a town like Kennesaw or Geuda Springs liable when a gun accident occurs, then why can't one use the liability argument in cities that have taken the opposite approach?

Why isn't the anti-gun city of Washington, D.C. liable for every unarmed victim who is murdered within its jurisdiction? That city has basically said, "Don't protect yourself. That job belongs to us."

But they can't. And they haven't.

Washington, D.C. used to have a relatively low crime rate in the 1960s. It never used to be the nation's Murder Capital.

But that all changed after the city passed its draconian gun ban in 1976. In the following 25 years, the city's murder rate has increased 51 percent, even while the national rate has decreased 36 percent.

You see, taking guns away from good people never makes them safer. It should be obvious by now.

Thankfully, most people in this country are still allowed to own firearms for their protection. Nearly 7,000 people use a gun to defend their lives every day.

Passing a law that says everyone in a town must own a gun would be a good thing. It would be like putting a sign on every door saying, "This home is protected by Smith & Wesson."

Criminals don't like such signs.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000, age adjusted) for Selected Countries in one year between 1990 and 1995 (Krug, Powell and Dahlberg, 1998)


That is PER 100,000...Jeez you are not very smart are you? Oh my god...I hope you enjoy your gun(s).

Franck, don't teach the people who are to stupid to think....

[QUOTE=TheDoc;12275930]What about my stove, should I raise it up so they can't touch the gas knobs? QUOTE]

eh, course... you seriously haven't protected your stove?

enjoy the discussion people.. time for bed.. thank god we don't have gun problems up here.. I'd hate to have to worry about that

Oh darn, and there i was thinking this thread was about guns. Stupid me.

Spunkmaster, imbecile, please explain why the US has SO fucking many gun deaths compared to lets say Holland. A country with no gun problem. Please explain that to me. Could it have to do with the crazy amount of guns there are in the US? Yes? No?

Spunkmaster, imbecile, how come your country still has a huge crime rate, higher than many other countries AND on top of that a gun problem? Could it have to do with the crazy amount of guns in the US? Yes? No? Maybe?

Okay more stats that should help show how the right to bear arms is not working in the U.S.

Original Source:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/publ.../cd191d_e.html
(oops link broken, you'll have to take my word for it - I didn't make these numbers up )

Japan Prohibits handguns with few exceptions
Households with firearms (%): 0.6
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 0.03
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 0.07

Ausralia
Households with firearms (%): 16
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 0.56
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 2.94

Canada
Households with firearms (%): 26
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 0.60
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 3.95

USA
Households with firearms (%): 41
Gun Homicide (per 100,000): 6.24
Total Intentional Gun Death Rate per 100,000: 13.47

Do you see a pattern here?
The more guns in households as a % the more gun related deaths.

I don't think anyone believes that reducing the number of guns in society is going to stop crime - that's not the point. The main focus of reducing the number of guns is to prevent gun-related crime.

Obviously widespread availability is a problem, but wouldn't perhaps a lack of natural social cohesion be one of the underlying causes?

Franck, don't waste your time replying to the hicks in here, they will never learn.

Pro gun fanatics are like junkies. They do not respond to reason. They are not prepared to admit that the focus of their addiction is the problem. They will lie, they will keep blaming others rather than admit what everyone with half a brain knows to be true: more guns = more violent death

I have guns
When I raised my daughter, I had many guns in the house.
She got a marksmanship ribbon for a 9mm in Navy Boot camp
She never shot a pistol that small
The problem with gun accidents is people don't realize their kids are curiuos, My daughter has always had respect for firearms, she knew what they could do.
And heres my thoughts on gun control, it's proven that every county that pushes letting citizens get carry permits, the gun violence goes down, crime goes down. Every country that bans hand guns, the gun violence goes up, hell, they're easier for the criminals to shoot when they don't shoot back.
As much as I would hate to see this happen again, if it were to happen in a texas city, what are the chances of a few texans shooting back?

Want some reading on the facts? http://www.gunfacts.info/

the left wing morron franck again..... omfg!

don't fuck around with the constitution! you know what this is making you? trying to take away constitutional rights? thats what terrorist are trying to do. you are a bad ass motherfucking terrorist, trying to scare the shit out of the people and fuck them from behind by taking away their ELEMENTAR RIGHTS!

i would put you into gitmo!

amazing how people can work torwards their own complete enslavement. *sigh*