If this is not civil war...

War against Terrorism.

Most of these attacks are indiscriminate not caring who they kill.

Agreed; they care about as much as we did when we shot 100+ cruise missiles into their country without a single one of them hitting Sadam.

Bill Clinton has lousy aim, just ask Monica Lewinski

it's been a civil war for awhile..

The genie is out .....

... and that is not GWB ....

Just out of curiosity...WTF does Bill Clinton have to do with
"Shock and Awe-shit we missed"!

Sounds like Friday night in Tijuana

Bill Clinton dropped more bombs on Iraq than in the first Gulf War.....

Wow, I better start reading the real news.
I got some fake news story that said Clinton dropped bombs in
Afghanistan and not Iraq.
There were some strikes in the "no-fly zone" in Iraq but those didn't require presidential approval.

lol ... listen .. history is re-written by these folks to suit their agenda ....

BTW, Clinton aslso dropped nukes on Japan ... You should know that....

yeah that's pretty crazy.

posted 9/11/2006 "independent" ...

Even more fun with statistics !

The bitter legacy of 9/11

2,973 Total number of people killed (excluding the 19 hijackers) in the September 11, 2001 attacks

72,000 Estimated number of civilians killed worldwide since September 11, 2001 as a result of the war on terror

2 Number of years since US intelligence had any credible lead to Osama bin Laden's whereabouts

2,932 Total number of US servicemen and women killed in Afghanistan and Iraq since September 2001

1,248 Number of published books relating to the September 11 attacks

$119m Ticket sales for anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11

$40bn Airline industry losses since September 2001

2009 Date when the official memorial will open at the World Trade Centre site

0 Hours of intelligence training provided to new FBI agents before 9/11. Now they get 24.

91 per cent Terror cases from FBI and others that US Justice Dept declined to prosecute in first eight months of 2006

11 Weeks the 9/11 commission's final report was top of New York Times' non-fiction best-seller list

117 Number of UK service personnel killed in Iraq since invasion

40 Number of UK personnel killed in Afghanistan since invasion

7 per cent People in UK who think US-led war on terror is being won, according to YouGov

1 Those charged in US with a crime in connection with 9/11

455 Number of detainees at Guantanamo Bay

77 per cent Percentage of people in the UK who believe Tony Blair's Middle East policy has made Britain a terrorist target (YouGov)

4,000 Number of UK troops left in Iraq after British-controlled provinceshanded back to Baghdad

18 The number of times that undercover investigators with fake IDs have breezed through US border checkpoints in a test by the Government Accountability Office

$8bn The amount the US will spend this year on hunting Bin Laden and other terrorists


SOURCE

The Independent, "The bitter legacy of 9/11 ", 11 September 2006.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle1466758.ece

Yes , but imagine how bad it would be without the great surge ....

I had no intention of this turning into a Splum vs directfiesta political thread.

It's pretty simple - this was not happening before the US got there, now it is. It's a Civil war.

I don't know really about the first comment, civil war is a war between tow different typs of people who belong to the same nation or geographic area. This is mostly Iraqi 'insurgents' trying cause unrest and remove an occupying force. Sounds more like an occupation to me.

During the french resistance of occupation ( WW2 ), the resistance was attacking the germans and their collaborators, not the civil population.

This is not anymore a resistance of occupation. This is a civil war between the Shiites and the Sunnis, and the Kurds could eventually join in....

You would remove the occupation forces of Iraq, and this violence would still go on, till they do resolve their differences, if that is possible.

IT IS A CIVIL WAR!

Yep. It's funny, I am an Imperialist and a proud American - but I am also informed. These people bombing are not outsiders, they are Iraqis.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

So if this is a civil war? What are the American soldiers? Collateral damage?

Na.. it was not happening before the US invasion - or for a while afterwards. (Prior to that Saddam ruled the roost).

There are now many groups, - including the current Iraq govt and US "residency". They all play a role in conflict - and the govt are crooked as hell and involved in killings on a scale.

There was probably a reasonable chance at avoiding this level of conflict some years back - but the plans to "rebuild Iraq" where another myth - and still few basic utilities/services etc and no law enforcement worth mentioning.

Of course it's a civil war lol... the only person that kept stability there was that insane mofo. Without him to curb terrorism they all came out of the woodwork and fucked up a relatively stable country. We're there with a bottle of glue trying to keep it together but that glue supply can't last forever.

What? Why dont you ask the fucking Kurds about that you uneducated tard.

SOURCE: Anti-American newspaper whose soul purpose is to print anti-American propaganda to people abroad.

God.. you are such a retard - stupid American carcass

It is just an absolute mess right now.