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04-17-2007, 04:20 AM

its always funny to see that the pro gun peeps right after another massacre desperately jump the gun (no pun intended LOL) to defend their right to have them. Whats even funnier is that first amendment argument; it aint got jack shit to do with freedom, if you think about it logically everyone would agree that it aint healthy that everyone can get a gun so easy.
What's next, using the first amendment to legalize cocaine, because everyone must have the freedom of choice to use it or not? Same idea.

The magic question that remains unanswered: Why does this shit happen in the US all the time?

fragile mind -> guns -> shooting up school..... it isnt THAT hard to find a connection right??
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04-17-2007, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Mike33

One guys goes on a rampage so we should disarm 100's of millions of law abiding gun owning citizens in a country founded on the principle to bear arms? Please.

Both Winnipeg and TO have a very large and diverse ethnic population.

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04-17-2007, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

if some asian kid wakes up in england having had a bads night sleep, he doesnt get a gun and go bust up a college. he grabs a knife or some shit. and cuts as many people as he can

yet in america he breaks into a car and gets one and then tears up a college because that is a cult thing to do now.

it is truely sad how you americans are in love with guns.

Before you go off on another tangent made purely of conjecture, how about answering this post from 5 pages back?

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Would you be so kind as to reply to this post please?

Just in case you missed it. It has parts of the school massacre you quoted earlier, and the subsequent blanket ban on guns.

How well did it do in England, lowering crime?

Cheers Mate!

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

Existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place

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But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.

And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.
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04-17-2007, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

its always funny to see that the pro gun peeps right after another massacre desperately jump the gun (no pun intended LOL) to defend their right to have them.

Actually, see post #16 on page one of this thread. It's the first post mentioning gun control, and it is for it, not against.

Originally posted by nico-t

What's next, using the first amendment to legalize cocaine, because everyone must have the freedom of choice to use it or not? Same idea.

No, it isn't. Do you really think the right to bear arms is the same as asking for the right to freely use illegal drugs?

Originally posted by nico-t

The magic question that remains unanswered: Why does this shit happen in the US all the time?

I do agree that it is too easy for people to purchase weapons.

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04-17-2007, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

its always funny to see that the pro gun peeps right after another massacre desperately jump the gun (no pun intended LOL) to defend their right to have them. Whats even funnier is that first amendment argument; it aint got jack shit to do with freedom, if you think about it logically everyone would agree that it aint healthy that everyone can get a gun so easy.
What's next, using the first amendment to legalize cocaine, because everyone must have the freedom of choice to use it or not? Same idea.

The magic question that remains unanswered: Why does this shit happen in the US all the time?

fragile mind -> guns -> shooting up school..... it isnt THAT hard to find a connection right??

I find it funny when non americans think they know our society better than we do.

Especially when they quote the wrong amendment to bolster their case.
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04-17-2007, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Platinum ChrisM

I can never understand why fucktards like this need to take it out on innocent people. Just cap yourself and fuck off.

Best post of the thread so far.

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04-17-2007, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Me too Brad, I want the same for my kids. Thanks for debating with me. I enjoyed it.

Anytime Anthony, I enjoy a healthy debate too.

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04-17-2007, 06:54 AM

i saw it on CNN .... just wondering why always happened that in US....

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04-17-2007, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

Whats even funnier is that first amendment argument; it aint got jack shit to do with freedom,

said the man who would be goose-stepping to his Kraut overlords without the assistance of those who he thinks know nothing about freedom.

And btw, you're probably referring to the second amendment (the right to keep and bear arms), not the first (freedom of speech/press)
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04-17-2007, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith

I do agree that it is too easy for people to purchase weapons.

yah maybe it's easy to purchase guys is US , that's why this always happening

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04-17-2007, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

said the man who would be goose-stepping to his Kraut overlords without the assistance of those who he thinks know nothing about freedom.

Im glad you use WW2 as an argument. Lets go a little more back in time... If Europeans hadn't been to the US your ass wouldn't even exist, the US army wouldn't exist and the US wouldn't exist. See how history arguments are totally fucking useless?
And by the way, why do you always think that the US beat the germans? It were the Russians who beat the germans. The US took a role in it, they weren't the main liberators. You're offending alot of people by leaving out all the other countries who helped.
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04-17-2007, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by Anthony

Before you go off on another tangent made purely of conjecture, how about answering this post from 5 pages back?

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Would you be so kind as to reply to this post please?

Just in case you missed it. It has parts of the school massacre you quoted earlier, and the subsequent blanket ban on guns.

How well did it do in England, lowering crime?

Cheers Mate!

again you are missing the tagent and are bringing me off one one, by showing me non school related gun crime.

care to explain that?

Cheers Dude!

Originally posted by Anthony

I find it funny when non americans think they know our society better than we do.

Especially when they quote the wrong amendment to bolster their case.

I find if funny that americans still seem surprised that tragedies like these happen when countless european examples have proved better.

I seriously suggest taking a leaf out of the european book and not the american book. As you can see it has failed you once again in yet another school shooting. I find it pathetic that you love guns so much. infact not pathetic, its dissapointment that comes to mind and you arguing about it puts you in the same boat as eulles from to kill a mocking bird.

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04-17-2007, 07:48 AM

infact i am arguing with someone called anthony who claims he is a keyboard warrior

when I say its A, he says its B
when I say its B he says its A

you perfectly know im right.
hahaha this could go on for years, but tragedies will keep happening.
im out of here as this is being dominated by narrow minded hicks.

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04-17-2007, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

Im glad you use WW2 as an argument. Lets go a little more back in time... If Europeans hadn't been to the US your ass wouldn't even exist, the US army wouldn't exist and the US wouldn't exist. See how history arguments are totally fucking useless?

ROFL
Step away from your bong for a minute if you want to enter a debate.

The point you brought up was that somehow the very people who liberated your country don't know about their freedom.

Let me tell you something, freedom is not about intellectual debate, it is something that is either won or taken away by force, typically determined by which end of a gun barrel is facing you. When Nazi's came to power one of the very first things they did was strip citizens of firearms. Gun control caused (or the least enabled) WWII. The Nazi's never would have been able to succeed if an armed populace would were there to overthrow them.

Instead they were able to flourish and your country unfortunately had to rely upon others to bail them out.

People without the means to defend themselves against tyrants aren't free, they are merely granted the sense of freedom so long as it pleases the whims of those in power. Debate it all you want, intellectualize it all you want, write about it all you want, until big brother puts a gun to the back of your head and tells you to keep on writing and saying that you are still free.

We don't and won't have that problem over here, and that is freedom

Or perhaps you think it's inconceivable that a european country could ever have a problem with a tyrant or a dictator...
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04-17-2007, 09:21 AM

There is a global increase in antisocial behaviour. Some countries are experiencing this more than others, UK for example.

Some stuff thought to be responsible for increased antisocial behaviour.

Drugs
Violent games and movies
Internet
Decline of family values and community structure
Basic discipline
Media role models

Gun availability only affects the final result; it?s not the root cause.
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04-17-2007, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

infact i am arguing with someone called anthony who claims he is a keyboard warrior

when I say its A, he says its B
when I say its B he says its A

you perfectly know im right.
hahaha this could go on for years, but tragedies will keep happening.
im out of here as this is being dominated by narrow minded hicks.

Fact: You said a blanket gun ban would stop this from happening, like the UK
Fact: I gave you a BBC article reporting that UK's gun ban has increased crime 50%
Fact: You have no argument to this, you throw up strawman arguments
Fact: You are a bonifide idiot

See ya.
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04-17-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Webby

Throw ya a thought AF - really since you mentioned ethnicity.

It really does not matter much about whatever race. You can stuff 100 people from all over the globe and they won't be "offending" re gun offenses at the same rate as is in the US.

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04-17-2007, 10:10 AM

Regardless of whose fault it is, what caused it, or how we can prevent it from happening in the future...This is just a very sad event and I feel for each and every one of the people/families involved.

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04-17-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Dopy

There is a global increase in antisocial behaviour. Some countries are experiencing this more than others, UK for example.

Some stuff thought to be responsible for increased antisocial behaviour.

Drugs
Violent games and movies
Internet
Decline of family values and community structure
Basic discipline
Media role models

Gun availability only affects the final result; it?s not the root cause.

You left out menal illnesses. A lot of people that do stuff like this suffer from mental problems. I heard the shooter was sent to the counselor because a teacher was worried about what he was writing, and he was on prescription medication. The did not say what the illness was or what he was on.
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