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Yes.
http://www.ncpa.org/pi/crime/pdcrm/pdcrm20.htm
States with right-to-carry laws have lower overall violent crime rates, compared to states without right-to-carry laws. In states whose laws respect the citizen's right-to-carry guns for self defense the total violent crime is 13% lower, homicide is 3% lower, robbery is 26% lower and aggravated assault is 7% lower. (Data: Crime in the United States 1996, FBI Uniform Crime Reports)Comment
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Anthony, what situation is most likely to go wrong (in a deadly way). 50 people in a room where 45 carry a gun or 50 people in a room where no one has a gun?
Americans always cry about needing a gun for self defense while studies show its more likely an accident happens with a gun in a home than that person ever needing it to defend himself.
Making guns illegal now in the US is stupid and wont work because everybody has a gun already. It shouldnt have been allowed in the first place. Thats where the problem is. America has a huge fucking gun problem. If that country wasnt flooded with guns in the first place that problem now wouldnt exist.Comment
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Fair enough. But, that study is unpublished, it does not explain how it arrived at it's conclusions, and it does not (or at least it does not state that is does) account for population growth. They are seeming to compare samples from a decade ago versus three decades ago. Not to mention that this is from 1996, so over a decade ago. Seriously, this is neither credible nor is it recent.
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AOL users did this same thing during Columbine. You're going to get quite a few copycats on MySpace in the next few days.
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Therein lies your problem. You fail to grasp that the right to bear arms is such an integral part of the United States, it's the 2nd Amendment. Your country did not fight for it's independence, therefore it's not held as highly.
I've said it earlier, Pandora's box has been opened, firearms is big business, across the world. You will never stop that, so stop living in that pipe dream that it can be done. I find it hilarious (Not in a good way) you think the desire for guns will drop for criminals because legal, law abiding citizens can't have any. It's so out there, it's not even on the map anymore.
More living in fantasyland.I think that it is quite easy to make it harder to get a hand gun on the black market. If they stop making them all together, no new hand guns will be available on the blackmarket ones. Obviously stolen guns will always be there, but the available number of hand guns will decrease over time if they simply are not available for purchase any more.
In Canada, Drugs are illegal, right? Kinda like how you want to make guns illegal for anyone to get. Didn't work for drugs, what makes you think it will for guns?I'm sure it easy to get drugs in Toronto as it is any city. Hell, once I was in London at King's Cross and a guy casually walked up to me and said, "hey man, do you know where I can get two hits of LSD for 20 pounds"? Drugs will always be around so long as there is a market for them and people want them enough to ask total strangers if they have them. But drugs are different than guns because drugs are illegal to manufacture, so you are missing the point here. Besides, Canada does not have a "war on drugs"
Guns will always be around as long as there will be a market for it. Anytime one human being wants to force their will on another human being, you'll find guns.
This thinking did really well during the Prohibition Years in the United States. No manufacture of alcohol in the USA, they just got it in from Canada.Guns are legally manufactured and taxed, etc. I think you will find that if hand guns were illegal (and the legal manufacturers no longer produced them) there will be much less gun violence over the period of 10-20 years. Obviously this is a hypothesis and open to debate.
However, more hand guns is always going to equal more deaths and gun violence.
Alcohol, guns, what difference does it make? If someone wants it, they'll get it.
Your whole argument is based on stop manufacturing guns. That's never going to happen, so the whole argument is one big mental masturbation.
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I have an idea. Let's fit everyone with a dog collar, and give everyone else the right to push a button at any time that makes that collar blowup, killing the wearer.
I am sure, sure, sure that this would lead to less deaths than just walking around normally. I am sure we can find some stats somewhere to prove it.Comment
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Still more living proof guns and legislation which "supposed" to control them has failed again.
Welcome to the reality of the highest gun possession and gun crime in the world - what ya expect?XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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In this context of the shootings... Obviously the 50 in a room where no one had a gun.
Accidents happen no matter what in any context. A firearm is a tool that is not needed until you absolutely need it. Proper education in safety helps. It's also the law that allowing any child under the age of 18 access to a firearm that is not properly secured is a felony.Americans always cry about needing a gun for self defense while studies show its more likely an accident happens with a gun in a home than that person ever needing it to defend himself.
100% agree with you. But it's done, and right now, the right to carry is the most viable option for law abiding citizens. So viable, 31 states have enacted it.
Making guns illegal now in the US is stupid and wont work because everybody has a gun already. It shouldnt have been allowed in the first place. Thats where the problem is. America has a huge fucking gun problem. If that country wasnt flooded with guns in the first place that problem now wouldnt exist.
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The uniform FBI crime statistics not credible? Maybe not recent, but I have never heard that law abiding citizens getting guns did anything but reduce crime. If you have recent stats that say it increases it, I would love to see it.
Be sure they don't include gang stats in that, since that is one gang against another crime, not against the population in general.Last edited by scardog; 04-16-2007, 01:18 PM.Comment
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Totally Tragic! Bad things happen to good people. This is why school officials should carry firearms.Was a graphics master for Lensman @ Adult.com but now... I can't tell ya cause it aint top secret.
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Because it is in a movie it is a fact? If I write a movie claiming you are an idiot would that make it a fact? hmmm, probably a bad analogy.
That does not make them Federal.
And we would still have a queen. No thanks.
What difference does that make?
Local police are not paid by the state and neither state nor local cops are federal agents.Comment
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i guess you guys are right. banning guns will solve this problem. but why stop there?
more people died from drunk driving accidents last year than from guns in the united states. should we ban alcoholic beverages too?Comment
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Every idea, including guns started as mental masturbation.
For me, I would be happier if my kids grew up in a safer place, and for me that is a society which is free of guns (obviously this will not realistically going to happen). I like to think that there is hope for this world and that people will stop killing each other. I am not as you would assume an idealist and do not live in a fantasy land. I understand and have a firm grasp of both my reality as well as many other realities. I am just pointing out another point of view which is completly valid and sadly will never be employeed. As you and a couple of others have pointed out, Pandora's box has been opened a long time ago and it is a good and valid argument to continue to allow hand guns to be made and sold. But I think stopping that cycle is also just as valid.
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Baddog, please fuck off and go stalk some more young girls you fucking idiot. Youre too retarded to come with any decent arguments. 5th generation imbred trailer trash shouldnt be allowed on the net, or anywhere else really. Have you ever tested your iq? Serious question.Comment
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People do it for simple reasons.
1, They get pissed off, Americans are just grumpy people to begin with. (Not all of them but alot of them)
2, It's easy to buy guns or get them on the black market, so there is a fuck load of guns kicking around.
3, They know if they do something like this it will gets lots of coverage.
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Crazy shit, just catching up on it now.Comment
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You've got 100-200 people in a filled up college classroom. Why can't you kill them all? All you have to do is kill q few and make the several of the others pile those bodies up in front of the doors, then take your time shooting the rest of them.
Even better, carry a can of gasoline in with a spray nozzle, similar to the onees used by exterminators. Shoot a few people, then spray down the area by the doors and set it on fire. Even better, spray down some of the students and burn them while you shoot the rest one at a time.Comment
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I am sorry but Americans do not cry that we need to own guns for our own protection. Most Americans do not own guns, so that is an incorrect statement. We have the legal right here to have guns and that is the way it should be. We do not have a huge gun problem, most of the people that have guns have them legally. The problem we have are the idiots that buy the guns on the black market. Those are the fools that commit most of the crimes.Comment
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*Anyone* who has access to a weapon is a threat to others - period.
PS That includes those who would normally carry a weapon ie cops and govt officers.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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Oh I won't. I saw a number of postings on him before about how he is an ass. There recently was a posting about him that was pretty interesting. I don't let the people on here get to me. Most of them have no clue what they are talking about. They just like to be a bad ass on here.
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Oohh shut the fuck up already you dirty fleabag or i'll buy your sorry ass site and close it.Comment
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Lose? Nope. Argument not lost. Not in the slightest.
All you have to do is look back at the wild west. Everyone was armed, and the level of lawlessness and crime was way up there. People were killed off all the time over things like "you looked at my woman" or "you stole my cow" (often the same thing, but I digress). Modern american society has reached the same level as the wild west, where people feel obligated to protect themselves because they don't think law enforcement is protecting them.
Now, as for crime being lower in areas with easy access to handguns, that may be true in a vacuum. But what isn't shown is the crime stats from surrounding areas. I read a report a couple of years back that many of the handguns used in crimes in major cities are not bought in those cities, but rather in "easy" states, and then brought back to the city. Handguns are often stolen or lost, where they enter the criminal side of things.
Without legal handgun purchases, there would be few illegal handguns - because in the end, where the fuck do you think they are getting them from?
Sucks where your logic falls apart, heh?Comment
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