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  • J. Falcon
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    • May 2006
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    U.S. apologizes for Guatemala STD experiments

    U.S. government medical researchers intentionally infected hundreds of people in Guatemala, including institutionalized mental patients, with gonorrhea and syphilis without their knowledge or permission more than 60 years ago.

    Many of those infected were encouraged to pass the infection onto others as part of the study.

    About one third of those who were infected never got adequate treatment.

    On Friday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius offered extensive apologies for actions taken by the U.S. Public Health Service.

    "The sexually transmitted disease inoculation study conducted from 1946-1948 in Guatemala was clearly unethical," according to the joint statement from Clinton and Sebelius. "Although these events occurred more than 64 years ago, we are outraged that such reprehensible research could have occurred under the guise of public health. We deeply regret that it happened, and we apologize to all the individuals who were affected by such abhorrent research practices."
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...sexual_health/

    It's funny how this shit always comes up like half a century later and people just brush it off, huh?
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  • Serge Litehead
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    #2
    as along as everyone is an outspoken patriot of their country and carries its flag on their house, cars, fridge, underwear, etc all is good.

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    • Sarah_Jayne
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      • Ethersync
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        #4
        Originally posted by J. Falcon
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...sexual_health/

        It's funny how this shit always comes up like half a century later and people just brush it off, huh?
        That is how it always is. They say, "yes, it happened and it's horrible! don't worry. we don't do that anymore." and people go "ah, ok. it's cool...".
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        • CaptainHowdy
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          #5
          If Guatemala lets this one go I sure have to forgive my ex-gf...

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          • ottopottomouse
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            #6
            Originally posted by J. Falcon
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...sexual_health/

            It's funny how this shit always comes up like half a century later and people just brush it off, huh?
            Things usually come out once everybody directly involved is dead.
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            • Quentin
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              • Dec 2002
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              #7
              The sad part? This isn't even close to being the worst thing the U.S. government has been involved with in Guatemala -- or that any number of other governments have been involved with there over the years, for that matter, including their own government at various points in the last couple hundred years.

              It's such a beautiful place, too (or it was when I was there in the 80s, at least)... it makes the ugliness perpetrated there all the more horrific, somehow.

              On a more pleasant note, if you ever visit Guatemala, do yourself a favor: visit Tikal National Park, find Temple IV, climb to the top of it, and survey the horizon. That is a view you will never forget.
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              • just a punk
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                #8
                Originally posted by holograph
                as along as everyone is an outspoken patriot of their country and carries its flag on their house, cars, fridge, underwear, etc all is good.
                Everyone knows that the USA is the most peaceful and humane country on the planet. Indian Genocide, slavery, KKK, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam, Agent Orange, Phan Thi Kim Phuc, Bayer AIDS case, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, secret CIA bases, Guantanamo, tortures, the biggest military budget, about million of soldiers based on foreign bases etc... nothing has shaken the crystal image of the USA, nothing will.

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                • _Richard_
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by cyberxxx
                  Everyone knows that the USA is the most peaceful and humane country on the planet. Indian Genocide, slavery, KKK, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam, Agent Orange, Phan Thi Kim Phuc, Bayer AIDS case, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, secret CIA bases, Guantanamo, tortures, the biggest military budget, about million of soldiers based on foreign bases etc... nothing has shaken the crystal image of the USA, nothing will.

                  Watch FOX and believe in unbelievable
                  does america live in a glass house?

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                  • uno
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                    #10
                    Eh, that doesn't sound as bad as what we did here to black people with syphilis.
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                    • Deej
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                      If Guatemala lets this one go I sure have to forgive my ex-gf...

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                      • Davy
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                        #12
                        That sounds like a news story from the Onion.
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                        • donkevlar
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                          #13
                          What the FUCK is the point of an apology from the government? How can a huge group of people all be apologetic just because they decided to say it on the news?

                          I don't accept the apology. Just stop doing terrible shit.
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                          • brassmonkey
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                            • tiger
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                              #15
                              And people why wonder why we don't believe the official government story when things happen.

                              That is seriously fucked up btw but I'm sure there are a thousand more stories like this that won't ever be known.

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                              • PornMD
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                                #16
                                Just wait until the descendants sue the US government. USG! USG!

                                I love how these statements always act like we JUST FOUND OUT what we did.
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                                • SmokeyTheBear
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                                  #17
                                  "bayer"(aspirin) knowingly infected thousands of kids with HIV, for no reason other than it saved them money. Yet they are still around and thrive and on every storeshelf from here to timbuktu.
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                                  • _Richard_
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                    "bayer"(aspirin) knowingly infected thousands of kids with HIV, for no reason other than it saved them money. Yet they are still around and thrive and on every storeshelf from here to timbuktu.
                                    how do you mean?

                                    'An estimated 6000 to 10000 hemophiliacs nationwide, became infected with HIV after receiving a tainted clotting substance made by Baxter and three other companies in the late 1970′s and early 1980′s.'
                                    Last edited by _Richard_; 10-01-2010, 01:22 PM.

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                                    • Sarah_Jayne
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                                      #19
                                      Honestly, it just hurts me to even read it.

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                                      • Quentin
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by donkevlar
                                        What the FUCK is the point of an apology from the government? How can a huge group of people all be apologetic just because they decided to say it on the news?

                                        I don't accept the apology. Just stop doing terrible shit.
                                        This sort of thing is just part of the dance that is international diplomacy.

                                        When the U.S. government is trying to "normalize" relations with a country that we have a rocky diplomatic relationship with, these sorts of apologies often are part of the bargain. I'm not saying it makes sense (or works), just that this is the intent of making such "official" apologies.

                                        It's very much like the apology issued to Iran in the 90s, in which Bill Clinton officially acknowledged the CIA's role in the coup there in 1953. I don't suspect that Clinton thought for one instant that the apology was going to make the average Iranian say "How thoughtful of you, all is forgiven, then." It was just part of an attempt to get the powers-that-be in Iran to warm up to the idea of talking to the U.S. and come to the negotiating table again -- sort of a diplomatic "ice breaker," if you will.

                                        Of course... that particular apology appears to have come up a little short of its desired effect, in retrospect. ;-)
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                                        • Deej
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                          "bayer"(aspirin) knowingly infected thousands of kids with HIV, for no reason other than it saved them money. Yet they are still around and thrive and on every storeshelf from here to timbuktu.
                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                          how do you mean?

                                          'An estimated 6000 to 10000 hemophiliacs nationwide, became infected with HIV after receiving a tainted clotting substance made by Baxter and three other companies in the late 1970′s and early 1980′s.'

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                                          • marlboroack
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Deej
                                                    disturbing

                                                    funny how targeted it is
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                                                      • DWB
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                                                        #28
                                                        When you read stuff like this, and knowing they did the same thing to blacks, you can't put ANYTHING past them.

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                                                        • Brad Mitchell
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by J. Falcon
                                                          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39456324...sexual_health/

                                                          It's funny how this shit always comes up like half a century later and people just brush it off, huh?

                                                          That's fucked up in every way. Forget the fact that it's just evil and wrong, I would guess that 60 years later the I itial 60 infections turned into hundreds of thousands worldwide.
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                                                          • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                            "bayer"(aspirin) knowingly infected thousands of kids with HIV, for no reason other than it saved them money. Yet they are still around and thrive and on every storeshelf from here to timbuktu.
                                                            Bayer is one of the most downright evil corporations going. Look into their history and what they've been involved with over the last 100 years or so. Here's a good link outlining some of their many shady moves over the last century. http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=320#war

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                                                            • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                              • Dec 2002
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                                                              #31
                                                              It reminds me of things the Nazis did but an appology 60 years later is suppose to cut it?

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                                                              • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Sarah_MaxCash
                                                                It reminds me of things the Nazis did but an appology 60 years later is suppose to cut it?
                                                                Bayer was right there using slave labor from Nazi concentration camps. They were also involved in a lot of German human experimentation. They're a great company.

                                                                Bayer head Carl Duisberg personally propagated the concept of forced labour during WW1.[218] The company placed itself under a large burden of guilt due to its heavy involvement in the planning, preparation and implementation of both world wars. The International War Crimes Tribunal pronounced the company guilty for its share of responsibility in the war and the crimes of the Nazi dictatorship.
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                                                                • psbfo
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Really makes you wonder what they'll be apologizing for 50 years from now.

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                                                                  • TCLGirls
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by psbfo
                                                                    Really makes you wonder what they'll be apologizing for 50 years from now.
                                                                    I already know, they'll be apologizing or Fox News.

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                                                                    • Va2k
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                      "bayer"(aspirin) knowingly infected thousands of kids with HIV, for no reason other than it saved them money. Yet they are still around and thrive and on every storeshelf from here to timbuktu.
                                                                      I call bullshit!

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                                                                      • NinjaSteve
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        This is interesting.
                                                                        The STD experiments were conducted with the cooperation of the Guatemalan government
                                                                        ...

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                                                                        • SallyRand
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          A bit of history for you. The WW II Japanese Unit 731:

                                                                          http://www.ww2pacific.com/unit731.html

                                                                          Part of the citation reads:

                                                                          "Japan's biological weapons program was born in the 1930s, in part because Japanese officials were impressed that germ warfare had been banned by the Geneva Protocol of 1925. If it was so awful that it had to be banned under international law, the officers reasoned, it must make a great weapon. Establishment of two biological warfare Units 731 and 100 in Manchuria in 1933 because of the number of test subjects available. Harbin in Manchuria was the headquarters of Unit 731. Ishii promoted to full colonel with 3,000 Japanese working under him. In addition of bacteriological warfare, studies were also conducted on human damage done by burns, freezing, high pressure, and bullets. Former members of the unit say that at least 3,000 people and by some accounts several times that number were killed in the medical experiments in which none survived.

                                                                          "After infecting him, the researchers decided to cut him open to see what the disease does to a man's inside. I cut him open from the chest to the stomach and he screamed terribly and his face was all twisted in agony. made this unimaginable sound, he was screaming so horribly. This was all in a day's work for the surgeons, but it really left an impression on me because it was my first time."

                                                                          The human experimentation did not take place just in Unit 731, nor was it a rogue unit acting on its own. Prince Mikasa, toured Unit 731's headquarters in China and wrote in his memoirs that he was shown films showing how Chinese prisoners were "made to march on the plains of Manchuria for poison gas experiments on humans." Premier Tojo personally presented an award to Ishii for his contribution to developing biological weapons.

                                                                          The Japanese army regularly conducted field tests to see whether biological warfare would work outside the laboratory. Planes dropped plague-infected fleas over Ningbo in eastern China and over Changde in north-central China and plague outbreaks were later reported.

                                                                          Japanese troops also dropped cholera and typhoid cultures in wells and ponds, but the results were often counterproductive. In 1942, germ warfare specialists distributed dysentery, cholera and typhoid in Zhejiang Province in China. but Japanese soldiers themselves became ill and 1,700 died of the diseases."

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                                                                          • SallyRand
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            And our British cousins are not guiltless:

                                                                            http://www.kent.ac.uk/porton-down-pr...jectPage1.html

                                                                            "From 1945 to 1989 an estimated 3,400 servicemen are believed to have taken part in nerve agent trials. The case of Ronald Maddison, who died from the effects of an experiment, will be fully analysed. Central to the project are a number of basic questions: Did the subjects give voluntary consent? How was consent obtained? Were the risks explained to the subjects? What safeguards were taken? How, if at all, was research regulated? The analysis of Porton?s institutional history is likely to reveal changes and continuities in personnel and research practices, and thus provide greater insight into the ?culture of secrecy?. More broadly, it will examine the extent to which Porton and other government agencies adopted the existing medical ethics standards, particularly the Nuremberg Code (1947) and the Declaration of Helsinki (1964)."

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                                                                            • SallyRand
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              And those rabid ones in North Korea have their fun as well! I don;t normally like Wikipedia but in this case, the information is comprehensive anad acacurate:

                                                                              http://www.wordiq.com/definition/All...xperimentation

                                                                              "2004 BBC report

                                                                              A BBC television programme on February 1, 2004 with the title, Access to Evil in the This World series [1] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ld/3440771.stm) detailed other allegations.

                                                                              In the programme, a former North Korean woman prisoner tells how 50 healthy women prisoners were selected and given soaked cabbage leaves, which all the women had to eat despite cries of distress from those who had already eaten. All 50 were dead after 20 minutes of vomiting blood and anal bleeding. Refusing to eat would allegedly have meant reprisals against them and their families.

                                                                              Kwon Hyok, a former prison Head of Security at Camp 22, described laboratories equipped respectively for poison gas, suffocation gas and blood experiments, in which 3 or 4 people, normally a family, are the experimental subjects. After undergoing medical checks, the chambers are sealed and poison is injected through a tube, while scientists observe from above through glass. In a report reminiscent of the earlier account of a family of seven, Kwon Hyok claims to have watched one family of 2 parents, a son and a daughter die from suffocating gas, with the parents trying to save the children using mouth-to-mouth resuscitation for as long as they had the strength.

                                                                              An interview with Kim Sang Hun, described as a distinguished human rights activist, was also broadcast. Kim Sang Hun showed documents that he says were brought from Camp 22 by an escapee and which he is sure are not forgeries. These documents each say that a certain prisoner is to be transferred for experimentation with chemical weapons. A London based expert on Korea also considers it likely that the documents are genuine and Kwon Hyok stated independently that such documents were used at Camp 22.

                                                                              Finally North Korea refuses access by any outside observers to Camp 22. This, in the opinion of the BBC, gives the clear impression that there is something to hide.

                                                                              The BBC has been criticized by the Broadcasting Standards Commission in the past for broadcasting documentaries that were were considered unfair, and the report of the recent Hutton Enquiry also criticised the corporation (although many people in the UK disagree with the enquiry's conclusions). However, in the majority of cases BBC reporting is considered accurate."

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                                                                              • SallyRand
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                I only posted the above to show that unethical medical experiments are not and never have been the exclusive domain of any single country.

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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                                                                  Bayer is one of the most downright evil corporations going. Look into their history and what they've been involved with over the last 100 years or so. Here's a good link outlining some of their many shady moves over the last century. http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=320#war
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                                                                                  • crazytrini85
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by psbfo
                                                                                    Really makes you wonder what they'll be apologizing for 50 years from now.
                                                                                    HIV
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                                                                                    • crazytrini85
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by crazytrini85
                                                                                      HIV
                                                                                      SARS
                                                                                      9/11 Attacks
                                                                                      Forgot one.......

                                                                                      The War On Terror.

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                                                                                      • Emil
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I wonder when they will say that they are sorry for 9/11.
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                                                                                        • just a punk
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Wait for 60 more years and you will hear.
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                                                                                          • DamianJ
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by holograph
                                                                                            as along as everyone is an outspoken patriot of their country and carries its flag on their house, cars, fridge, underwear, etc all is good.
                                                                                            America, FUCK YEAH

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              I'm sure when people raised the issue back when it happened, they would have been told to fuck off with the wild "conspiracy theories".

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                                                                                              • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by SallyRand
                                                                                                I only posted the above to show that unethical medical experiments are not and never have been the exclusive domain of any single country.
                                                                                                Which is likely true but also smacks of a kid getting in trouble and pointing to another kid and yelling 'he did it too!' in hopes of not getting in so much trouble.

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                                                                                                • J. Falcon
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Emil
                                                                                                  I wonder when they will say that they are sorry for 9/11.
                                                                                                  About 50 - 70 years from now.
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