Phoenix, i have some questions for you - please get your delusional ass in here

How can anybody look at these buildings and say they are collapsing?



They're getting blown the FUCK UP!

i think some people refuse to see the truth

they cant handle it...or perhaps they are brain washed religious freaks

i have friends that dont see the forest for the trees as well..i just hope for the best for them.

CORRECT Millions of tons of material coming down from several thousand feet should not have any air pressure or force causing things to be expelled outwards. It should all come down in a neat little pile. Are you fucking kidding?

How does a bbgun work? Or a paintball gun? Just curious....

Ever play Jenga?

I like Jenga

you are grasping at straws to keep your nice happy view of reality.

if it fuckin just fell down or over as you are suggesting then expalin the semi uniform expulsion of material weighing more then a friggin jumbo jet which is being thrown hundreds of metres horizontally.

when will you people take your head out of your asses?

you ask for answers but give fuckin none back except some stupid fuckin tag line they give you on cnn or whatever you can gleam from the title of a blog somewhere. hold it tight to yoru chest...fuck you guys are pathetic

Strip Jenga can be fun when you play with the right person.. I wonder if the pieces will fall at free fall speed....

yeah make that jenga pile fall within itself in a neat little pile smaller then its own footprint you jackass

only if you trivialize one of the most important events in recent history and make light of facts with your oh so witty retorts.

people like you who dont even search for truth should be labelled traitors to your country....especially when the truth finally comes out.


as you then helped the people responsible by being so damn obtuse.

i guess i should feel pity for you

Lookit this is SIMPLE. You have ALL the floors from the plane strike up falling with inertia into the building below. There is AIR in between each floor. As each floor is compressed expelling the air the air and debris is forced outward. Werent you a science major or physics or some shit? Clap your hands together by your face. Feel that? Not that that air pressure *s 4098504385034850348503498098 And you have your reason for debris and dust shooting outward away from each floor as the unfathomable weight comes down upon it. Seriously...... is this really this hard to figure out?


Do this go buy 4 concrete slabs 2.5ft by 2.5ft by 2" thick. Under each slab put some dust or fire ash. Support each one using a 8" piece of 2x4 on each corner. Now tie a string to one of the corner supports. Make sure you put this on like blacktop. Pull the string and see what happens. Now look around on the blacktop and see how far you find traces of ash and dust. Ridiculous.

How bout if the Jenga has a support beam for all the jenga pieces to fall down as it goes?

I trivialize it? Id rather make light of it in this thread with your conspiracy nutjobness than blame the U.S. government for killing its own people.

So Brad in which direction do you hope the truth lies? Do you hope it was the government or the terrorists? lol

In fact strike that. Make it 8 slabs, and pull the corner on the third down.

YAY this is like Bill Nye The Science Guy Does Conspiracy Theories!

Ya who woulda thunk? Airpressure being created by weight, mass, and volume coming down and eliminating space where said air previously resided.

this eaxample is a fuckin joke dude.

i hope it makes you sleep better at night.

how about this..go drop a huige piece of concrete from a mile up or so...drop it onto rock..then go look at it and tell me if it is turned into dust...it wont be...so explain how 110 ten stories of concrete and steel ended up just dust and molten steel at the bottom

out of all that debris that got demolished the one thing they got for sure was a hijackers passport..holy fuckin shit you guys are stupid.

just look at the pictures above...that is not just dust and air blowing just windows out of the way..or office furniture...there was no office furniture left at all..it was all pulverized beyond what we might expect....yes windows can get blown out due to air pressure...some office furniture i could swallow as well...but not huge pieces of solid steel..lol most everythign would have been compressed and pinned where it was sitting.


come on mister wizard...you guys think you are so smart.

http://www.west.net/~science/acannon.htm

Yes yes, WE are the stupid ones!

The tone of these conspiracy morons when trying to convince someone is hilarious. "Open your eyes!" "..hate to ruin your nice little reality" "you can't handle the truth!!"

so stupid...so very stupid.

as long as you admit you have a chance of changing

fly that republican flag...you think the boys who pulled this off will like your lifestyle should they ever wrestle complete control of the country?

You are showing you never worked construction of any sort, or with concrete of any sort. Go look at a brick layer, or concrete workers clothes. Think they are dusty? lol Would it be dust dropped from any significant height? Yes a good portion would crumble and turn to dust with very little force.

Go by a concrete block.





Got buy a 2lb hammer



Hit the block 2 to 5 times with all your might (which compared to the WTC falling is like a mosquito hitting a windshield on a Winnebago) and see how much dust you create.

Im beginning to understand your fundamental misunderstandings.

hey hate to point this out to you.

but fuck you you noob dicksucker

the whole fuckin world knows something is up...except the people in here.

80% of americans are now saying that something shady went on that day and the days following allowing a coverup

but we have a bunch of loudmouth nobodies here claiming otherwise

splum
12clicks
franck
stickefingers
boyalley

there must be something similar in these people

i mean besides the bullshit republican asskissing they exude

Boyalley and me both like watching TLC occasionally, but probably for different shows...

lol

Btw love how you have Frank and Boyalley in the Repub camp.. Beautiful... lol

another bullshit example..i am understanding your fundamental misunderstandingsgs as well.


a. you get a lot of dust from working with concrete all day...big woop.
b. you hit a block with a sledgehammer and you will bust it into pieces.
not bust it into dust....there is a very big differnce between making 1 thing into 3-4 ror even 20 pieces....and then another thing to make one thing into 10 million pieces.

You will get a huge amount of dust. Again you dont get it. Now take the same block get a 2 ton piece of steel and drop it from 10 feet. Now still going to get 3 to 4 pieces? lol Seriously... I like you Brad but come on.. lol

Oh my lord, can we all just give it a rest? Or else I'll have to jump in...

Shit here I go:

1) If it was a giant conspiracy there was more than a "handful" of people involved. There had to be -- a LOT more. None of them talking has nothing to do with fear. The people that knew would not be the same. After the event people around them would know it, they can't be involved in the mass murder of thousands of people and just go on like nothing happened. It's not possible - not for that many people.

And don't suggest things like Nazis or Rwanda and mass murder, completely different - they were not killing their own. That's just one distinction.

2) Collapsing floors. When is the last time a commercial airline was flown into a 30-year-old skyscraper? So there is not point of reference. Saying the fuel *could not* have melted the beams is ridiculous. A combination of an airplane flying at hundreds of miles an hour, the crash, an explosion, very fucking hot fuel pouring in ... is it not plausible that they could have been weakened? And if they weakened then one point of failure can lead to collapse. It's possible.

3) I mentioned back in thread #413 on this topic about the rationale of flying planes into 4 buildings. Think. If you were the grand planner of this scheme you did not *need* to go through all this trouble. To plan a conspiracy on this level is insane - you are banking on 4 different events in 3 different locations which means a lot can go wrong.

A much safer and more realistic plan would have been to just blow up the WTC, even one. Put bombs inside and claim terrorists planted them. Relatively easy and the nation still would've been shocked and he would have still gone forward with Operation Saddam.

4) The original videos on this conspiracy have already been shown to contain many falsehoods and are generally considered propaganda. This has been cited in several sources. They put together anything that supported a conspiracy theory and ignored or edited the rest.

5) A bunch of interesting and yes, hard to explain, hypotheses does not equal a massive conspiracy. It's like saying that since we don't understand exactly how the Egyptians built the pyramids, aliens must have done it (okay, not the best example but you get the idea).

6) All the talk about guard dogs being removed from the WTC and other circumstantial evidence individually certainly warrants answers. But to prove anything you need more than that. I said before, pretend it was a court case. You're the prosecutor. Bring all your evidence to support a conspiracy.

First, who are you charging with the crime and what evidence do you have against them? My guess is you don't have a single piece for any individual, not one. And this is a common theme among just about every conspiracy theory - you have a lot of curious and odd evidence, but nothing - not one thing - that points to anyone specifically or actual evidence of a planned conspiracy. And worse, you put together a bunch of pieces but you don't even attempt to connect the dots. And in this case there are a lot of dots not connected.

So if you want to convince the world of a conspiracy theory, paint the picture. Don't point out piece of odd thing #1, 2 and 3 and leave them unconnected. Explain how it was all put together. Who came up with the idea? Who planned it? When? Where? How?

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, ask yourself: What is a more likely and realistic scenario: Terrorists took over 4 planes and crashed 3 of them on target or the government staged the whole thing. Before you answer that, just consider how complex a conspiracy would have had to been involved. Really break it down, every possible portion of the events, planning and aftermath ... or terrorists hijacked planes (something that as history has shown as, they are very adept at doing).

G'night

you are confusing reality with bullshit again.

go drop a 10 ton anything on a concrete block from 100 ft and come back to me...christ man..you are the guy who wants to build a sky scraper out of matchsticks and use it as an example to what happened that day..lol

for now im going to bed

have to go to the gym early

Matchsticks? Wtf are you talking about.

Here watch this vid see if your no dust theory will hold up lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qq0C1IGSMNk

yes yes..ive read y our response on this many times

it is always the same.

you are a fence sitter...i can respect that

however...we are now in a position to just display answers...we are only working with what has been provided to us by mainstream media

im still working out the how....and why...before i worry about the who.

the who is a dangerous subject....the why is obvious...it pretty much points to the who.

the how...is tricky as well....keep in mind not everyoine had to know about what they are doing.

and if you have 100 nobodies working at somethign..those nobidies can disappear just as easily as the other people who were martyred that day

http://youtube.com/watch?v=x2h8qZRhe...elated&search=

Watch this one and listen to the narrator carefully ... the word PULVERIZED

what does that show if anything?

wtf man..is that how easily you are spoon fed?

please

It's just mind numbingly awesome to watch guys like Martin and Brad argue their points based entirely on supposition and conjecture as the god-given truth. I can only assume Phoneix's and his "The whole World knows ..." facts was found written on stone tablet because of the passion by which you believe.

One wild leap to another, a finer game of Frogger I've never seen served by larger retards anywhere on the Inernet. Bravo guys, bravo! An absolutely stunning performance to be sure.

nice of you to show up

but a little late

this thread is pretty much over...as i am going to bed

feel free to jump into the new thread in two weeks when i feel like fuckin around again

http://youtube.com/watch?v=217FEAWgf...elated&search=

no explosion It should just lay down with no dust or debris... lol

Phoenix, what's your explanation of why the government would go through all the trouble when they could've accomplished the same thing with one or two bombs under the WTC?

JENGA!

I've been watching this thread on and off all night. It's like science fiction for children of meth head mothers written by Down Syndrome patients. Amazingly good performance tonight.

the only reason to backup the plan that i can think of was one..a chance to steal a lot of gold.

and two...destroy several offices in building 7 that were investigating the bush family/friends
that is public knowledge...so if the wizards here dont know about it already...then you should question their wizardy elsewhere


war drums beating loudly still

Omg I retract what I said. I think Phoenix maybe onto something after seeing this clip. Here is what really happened.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s_gdCrmbr...elated&search=















Planes hit the fucking buildings nearly ripping the tops off ripping out almost a whole side of supports, then burned for a long time with added weight of the planes, and the buildings fell...

i get it..your version of the word pulverized cincludes very large pieces of flooring..actualyl looks like whole floors still togeterh and just leaning there waiting to be toron down


ok i just wnated to see if we are on the same page

but i should have known better

You are a lost lost soul... lol

hey it was your example you compared it to be akin to the WTC demolitions

where are the floor pieces from there?

where is one piece of anything that is recognisable


from your video we should have seen big pieces of flooring and walls...steel sticking way up into the sky maybe?

or the building should have fell over and maimed the surrounding city

if it had fallen over and knocked down 2 other buildings i would have believed it

lets not forget your good buddy Bush was most likely about to be impeached

just days before

What? Please enlighten all of us...

typical tactic of the uninformed...to plead ingorance and refuse to do any research on their own


quick type in 9/11 on youtube and post a video then some smiley laugh faces

you will look like you know what you are talking about

Please tell me what he was Likely to be impeached for just days prior to.. Are you thinking of Clinton just prior to bombing an aspirin factory?

Tick tock. What was he going to be impeached for PRIOR to 911....

look it up mister wizard

impeached and most likely the evidence from building 7 used against him and his father

100 crazy conspiracies ;)

fuck you all im off to bed for real

pumping iron comes early