little lupe = child porn.

and yes, she's ugly - a monkey shaped face

and it goes on and on and on and on this thread

Best damn post so far

this guy is going bye...bye

lol, why don't you try actually reading the threads before post whoring into them... he was already banned three pages back..

Few pages ago.... lol

look Aaron sorry to disturb you thanks for that blunt and non informative answer.
Im pretty sure after the amount of time in this business I know what a stat is
It still does not why he is bragging about it though
It also strikes me as a little odd that you would jump on me to protect him like he is someone under your fucking wing.
Also yes it does seem very strange to me by day three of this thread going on and on and on and on and on with like 4 pages now that if its not a publicity stunt because its such a shit niche that it doesnt make a dime and thats why this thread hasnt been locked then I must be outta my fucking mind huh?
P.S.I dont try to fit in with anyone here
I call a spade a spade when I see it....
If you dont like it oh well good for you and by the way Im not your little bitch so dont tell me squat!

I'm not even sure where to start here.....For a guy who claims to have been in the biz for so long, why are you so clueless?

Shall we revisit your camera thread? WTF kind of established adult webmaster, or whatever the fuck you are, has to ask those kind of questions?

As for your bullshit about the niche not being profitable....Kindly explain how TeenRevenue has become a multi-Million dollar company if this niche does not pay off?

It's the TEEN niche you fucking ass clown. It's the biggest niche there is.

Somebody needs to slap some sense into you.

Now...Fuck off.

i dont know if this has been said befor (i canr be bothered to read 207 posts) but i personally htink that the fact that "models" like her and teen topanga and to some extent even models like jordan capri look so young could be a good thing, because at least it give ppl who may have a fetish for young girls a safe and much less harmful oulet for the desires

Nice way to avoid the questionable stuff Aaron and focus in on the prize here .
I guess thats what makes your Teenrevenue site so great!
You dont know me kid and neither does anyone else on this board so dont judge a book ok??
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION AND CALL A SPADE A SPADE!
We are not as dumb as you might think we are as webmasters and you should be careful who you tell to fuck off.(BALD HEAD)

Since I?ve been reading this board, I?ve seen a lot of threads regarding cp and people calling out cp talking about random content trough some solo site girls, accusing that this or that site features girls that are underage since they ?look? underage.

It seems to me that many people on this board are quick to call out for cp or accusing someone of promoting such content (without proof, of course) but do they really care about this matter after all? I think they do, in order to protect adult business in general but not the do they care about the morality of the issue itself?

Personally, I have to agree that some girls DO look extremely young, and that some of them don?t appear to me as grown women, but as young underage teens. Now, this is not a reproach whatsoever; I believe in the fact that any woman, no matter how young she looks, can model in the adult industry as long as she?s over 18. The fact that she is putting on an ?underage? image does not shock or disturb me personally; in fact, I think this way of providing the impression of a really young girl in a sexual situation might even help people with a pedophilia history to remain abstinent (to a certain extend).

I don?t think most people understands what pedophilia is and how it should be dealt with.

A pedophile has an ?anomaly? in his sexual development; his goal is not necessarily to harm a child or to force an innocent person to a sexual relation. Most pedophiles are actually abstinent. There are some everywhere and you?d be surprised to know that there are some that you know but you will never find out because they will never touch a child (or unfortunately never get caught). The ones we are aware of are only the part that gets caught, so imagine the rest?Ask yourself for a minute why is teen sites one of the biggest niche around.

I was reading a quite interesting article about the pedo phenomenon the other day. The main title was implying the idea that the subject itself is so taboo, that people don?t even want to hear about it. I think it is true. But if nobody wants to even hear about it, how can we do anything to prevent this problem?

I believe that a pedophile is a person that simply has a fetish for young (looking) boys/girls. Their fetish itself is not much different than the guy who likes exclusively Asian women or a specific part of the body. The only difference here is that their fantasies could imply abuse of an innocent human being. I am NOT saying that pedophilia is right; don?t get me wrong. What I am trying to do here is to understand why and how this occurs. And by understanding it at the source this is how we can start thinking of ways to avoid any harm done to the children.

FACT: pedophilia cannot be erased just as any other specific fetish cannot be erased. Now what society has to do is to accept that it exist and try to prevent it. Prevention towards the kids, yes, but also towards the people that do suffer from that anomaly. A pedo that can fulfill his fantasies by looking at an 18 years old girl that looks 12 or 13 has less chance to wander in a park and go chase real underage vulnerable kids. I do think they should be ?respected? if they don?t touch a child.

I couldn?t care less if men are beating off to an 18 years old that just looks like a kid. As long as they leave real kids alone. We cant deprogram them anyway so lets give them illusions and stop pretending we are so shocked about these girls that look so young. Maybe they are saving vulnerable childhoods after all.

quoted for great truth. its nice to have a reasonable viewpoint put forward amidst all this FUD. i would beat off to 'Little Lupe', and i'm not a pedo. my wife is 4'11" tall and looks really young to most, tough shit. to be honest i never cease to be amazed by the amount of sanctimonious prigs here on GFY..

So what your saying is that we should all turn the other way and let this multi billion dollar industry flourish creating such sterio types within society buy people fantasizing about underage girls and its ok because the models were over 18 and there is a very large market for such films!?

How would you feel then if someone in society that was influenced by such attecked say your ten year old daughter at a mall and raped and killed her??
Would you still promote in this fashion?

Enjoy being broke for life.

welcome to GFY, welcome to the interweb

sanctimonious ...

If you want to get rid of littlelupe.com then everyone should drop their "teen" niche websites right? Or is it because shes just TOO GOOD at looking young and gave you a woody ...

so is that the new slogan for TR?

"Little Lupe, I'm like methodone for child predators" ;-)

Im sorry my thoughts offends you, but I am basically talking about prevention here. BTW, I dont need a 10 yrs old daughter to understand this point; I WAS 10 years old once.

Close this fucking thread already, I am tired of seeing it on the front page

Read what I said later on my post; we CANNOT abolish pedophilia. You cant control ppl's minds. There will always be assassins, there will always be rapers, there will always be pedos. Now that you know this fact, try to understand WHY this is happening and HOW can we find a way to protect our children. Like I said, these people have FANTASIES about children. It doesnt mean they are going to do anything about it in reality.

Many women have a rape fantasy but would not want to be rape for real! How can we keep a pedophile abstinent? By providing him images that joins his fantasies without hurting innocent children. and dont forget i am talking about pedophiles, NOT assassins. A sexual killer is not the same; a pedo dont want to kill, he wants to fulfill his need. And if we can help them with consentant adults, why not?

BTW; you dont 'turn' pedo by seeing images of really young looking ppl naked. You are or you arent.

Gotta agree - it's a prime PR thread for the online adult industry - shit to be proud of and marketing designed for pedo's is yet just another niche


Excuse me while I dress a couple of models up as 12 year old kids and stick three stunt cocks in each - it's the way forward in owning something called a "program"

PS And it's legal - I got the paperwork *lol* Sheesh... idiots..

This isexactly what produces those types of people in society!
By people being able to exercis their fantasies and feeling good by jerking off then they eventually want the real thing!
The only problem is that no 25 year old woman looks like she is 12 so they pick out soe poor kid and commit a crime!

At least some people on it are talking some sense.

And it's better this being on the front page, than those retarded contest threads which won't go away...

Its good to know that people like Aaron from teen revenue think this is very coy and finds it quite funny to produce such films as he sits in some fucking resturant south of the border and eats french fries as he and his little lupe model gets thrown out of some eating establishment. But can we really expect low life photographers like him to actually give a fuck about society in the first place??
HUH? ya you heard me baldy! why dont you come on down here and say that shit to my mutherfuckin face!!!!!

How do you know this is how they get the spark to actually do something? I trully dont mean no disrespect here, I just want to know how do you know what is going on in their heads?

As far as everybody knows here, the best way to actually make someone taking action is to prohibit it and avoid the issue.

Im a clinical pycologist ,a lawyer, and a candlestickmaker babe keep on track please!

Oh Please... Im trying to be serious here. I really DO care about this issue. And you can show me any degree you want, that does not appear as a proof to me. I have been dealing with thousands of men for 7 years on a daily basis and I can tell you my analysis of their brain might be a bit more accurate then your quotes of Freudian lectures.

Well if your so sopisticated in yur research then why dont you describe what happens to the average male when he is in his late twentys and veiws such things that he is unable to obtain at this point in life???
do you think that this type of portrayal is a game???
Or is it that you just dont give a fuck because it is legal and you cant say shit about boo???
Bottom line is people shouldnt cry wolf because when a wolf shows up at the door he will eat your children!

OK.. I could answer you but this is more than a chatboard subject and far too complex. If you are genuinely interested in this subject, contact those who specialize in it with your regional law enforcement or the office of folks who enforce the Child Protection Act in Canada. This Act not only refers to children specifically, but adults portrayed as children (read "pedo-marketing").

It's not really a discussion about age limits in various countries or what a pedo may think (tho others far more qualified than us would be pleased to educate into pedo behaviour), but more concerning an element of the mainstream adult industry engaging in "pedo marketing". This is clear-cut illegal in a majority of western countries (including Canada).

Average male in his late twenties that has a normal sexual developpement do not apply to what we are discussing here. Im talking about the male who has an abnormal sexual history and therefore is attracted to what he 'shouldnt be' i.e. young underaged girls/boys. There are alot of elements that can explain that behavior and what I am talking about has nothing to do with the law.

What I can tell you though is that average guys in their late OR early 20's who sees a 16 yrs old girl that looks 25 walking down a street with a mini skirt and a tight top will look and have sexual thoughts. Now does that make them pedophiles?

When I started webcam at 18 most of my clientele was 35 yrs old and older. Now I am 26 and most of my clientele is 18 to 20... I dont read that in any books, those are real established facts from my own experience in the adult industry.

Thanks for the refs Web, I appreciate it. And YES I am concerned but more moraly then legally... I think that is where the confusion might take place when people read my comments. My main point here is that I think it would be better if people would just accept the reality and work from there if they really want to do something to protect kids, know what I mean?

Some people will continue to push the envelope, then bitch as this industry is looked at as just a part of all porn... including cp.. It already happens, but money seems to blind some to the broader scope...

Hear ya MC!

Couple of bits in answer to your last post, tho not really addressing the issue of "pedo pandering".

Hard to say, but would guess you may be surprised if you spoke with folks engaged in.. "child protection". This has little to do with the "average male" tho obviously includes all "elements".

The "pedo problem" is definitely on an increase and depends on culture and "acceptability" to a degree. I'm not a specialist or qualified, but only relying on what others say who.. basically protect kids in a LE capacity. "Pedos" are very often victims (very high percentage)... they were kids who were abused and can be either male or female (tho less prone to public view). Both parents and family are the most common "abusers" tho we mainly hear about strangers in that role.

The end product of pedo behavior can be devastating to the victims. Some then follow their lives abusing others - it's a vicious cycle. Others say little or nothing and never abuse anyone, but can suffer mentally for many years - typically from disorders such as MPD (multiple personality disorder). As kids these victims were lucky enough to throw on a different personality to protect them from the abuser. (Children are more "able" to use multiple personalities as a "defense" from ... something they don't like). It's also not uncommon for victims to have a fair number of these "personalities" and they are still there thru adult live and can result in some "odd" actions at times :-)

Can think of some victims I know of (via LE-related) who have.. prob five personalities (tho the shrink estimates more). One girl.. now in 30's has a male as one of the "personalities" - his name is "Joe" and Joe can emerge (totally unknown to the real person - tho apparently she does "know" but at a different level) and I've even had a chat with "Joe" He's an OK guy and and will explain he is there to protect the host and, least at initial stages, was concerned that I was not a source of threat to his host :-)

Other effects of... basically child abuse (tho not necessary known at the time) is abuse by parents where a child may retaliate and murder his parents. Know of three instances where that occurred and, at that time, all three kids, were convicted of murder and eventually executed on death row when they were.. think between 19 and 23 years of age. A particular law officer who was involved and became friends with these kids after conviction made a point of constantly visiting and chatting to them (unofficially). Her comments were she would have done the same thing to her parents if they abused her multiple times a day over a long period. Two of the three victims were fine about talking - tho distrusting an adult at first. The third had totally "closed down" - it was not possible to communicate with him and, tho an experienced law officer, she said she never felt "evil" so much as when she was in the presence of this young man. That law officer stayed in touch and visited, mainly two, of these kids for around 10 years until they were executed. Two of them asked her to attend their executions cos they wanted a friend there - and she watched while her "kids" were executed. Gutsy lady!

Tho the last example may be extreme, it's not generally unusual for adults in custody to have been the victims of child abuse - the effects are extensive and may not be related to any sexual-type offenses, but can be "abuse" in another form.

This is kinda remote from the "average male" or female, who are lucky enough not to encounter the realms of abuse. Na... some guy looking at a 16 year old who looks 25 is not exactly demonstrating pedo tendencies

This is very interesting; I think this just proves how harmful such 'attacks' can be on a child. MPD disorders apparently occur when a major traumatizing event takes place and I can see why it would in some abuse cases. For the human mind to actually 'double' itself in order to protect itself from a hurtful memory to me means that it gotta be a damn traumatizing one...

I was saying earlier in my post that most people would be suprized how many pedos there are out there that we arent aware of; but that joins the reality of how many people have been abused in their past too. I could easily say that pretty much all of my female friends and family have been victim of a pedophile act in their childhood (that is just the ones that were willing to tell). That doesnt involve rape in all cases but STILL gives an idea of how present this problem is.

Sure... won't go into the detail, (chose not to remember some of the accounts of abuse), but they would sure be "traumatizing". At least one of the death row kids was sexually abuse by both parents on a daily basis - and over a period of time. Can't remember the sequence of events, but he eventually used gas and burned them in bed as they slept.

When ya listen to a victim and she says how she (as a small child) is in bed and terrified to sleep while watching for the shadow of "dad" under her bedroom door who she "knows" is coming to "do things" - very damned sad and very pathetic. Makes ya want to weep!! Got nothing but sympathy for these folks and would help em any way I could.

BTW.. The girl who said the above... we will never know when the first abuse started (prob before she can "actually" willingly remember), but shrink has reason to consider the first violation was around 6 months to a year old - and this continued to age eight/nine (approx). She is a very nice person and got total respect for her efforts to keep it together so far.

Agree.. you'd get a shock (I still do *lol*) when I hear about how common this is and what parents and others do to their kids.

This is what the society needs to hear what it results from such experience. What amazes me as well is to hear stories of women who forgot for years that they have been abused; or worse that since it happened while they were so young that they actually thought it was 'normal'.

6 months to a year old???? How fucked up can you get...

It's only me and I'm only a small cog in the wheel - but given the chance, I'll like to pull any webmaster considering or engaged in "pedo marketing" and force em to sit in a room and "serve a sentence" for four days and get an education into potential damage they can cause folks

Said already in previous post... there are a few very serious law officers around who specialize in this area and they would be more than willing to sit down and have a chat with this industry (in a totally unofficial capacity), with a view to educating. Most of this crap is never heard of (prob most is never discovered), but it's *very* obvious it is more common than we may think.

If you type a few "pedo" cliche keywords into .. forget the name... Overture! - the results are pathetic. Some search terms for paedophile content actually exceed terms which may be considered prime keyphrases for the mainline adult industry. (Hell.. can see an element getting excited at the prospect of earning more money now *lol*)

Whatever the laws are.. really don't matter - it's more a judgement to publish that matters. If the publishing exceeds the boundaries of public acceptability - legislation will result to curb it.

Sure... victims do "forget" - often my choice. Can think of some who kept a long term of abuse a "secret" to protect their mothers from knowing - they thought it would kill their moms to know. (And some moms still don't know as old ladies). Good news is when law or others take time to sit and chat with victims (forgetting potential prosecution stuff), a lot can emerge and the victim is often relieved that they have someone to talk to about it - and have some guidance/help in overcoming what may still exist as a problem to them. (The problem there is the choice of person - there are cops and cops - and they need to be trusted by the victim to keep their mouths shut as needed. It's better to have a person specializing in this area - they have seen it all and little is a surprise and they "know" when to keep quiet.)

Agree.. other side effects are adopting it as "normal" and a self-deprecating attitude (I'm not good enough) and a lack of self-confidence. Hell.. ya can almost smell a problem, tho the veneer can be perfectly OK.

The baby thing ... hard to say... tho it may be sexual in nature, it's really about abuse - and may have an element of "control" involved (a baby is controllable *s*). Adults who abuse, play mind games with kids and part of that is a need to control. Where that gets out of hand... example could be a child who is unknown to the abuser, but can identify him - there is a possible "child disappearance" - primarily to keep the victim quiet. There are three guys walking now (they all know each other) who have abused in the past and most probably account for the disappearance of three children (bodies not yet found). There "motivation" for making the kids disappear is simply because they could recognize their "attackers" - but there is a lack of good evidence, so can't act and prosecute - pity!

MediaChick... you are good at making your points but the only thing that is wrong with all your logic is that you keep making factual statements based upon "your experience" as though your experience defines reality.

Your experience might or might not be the "norm".

Anybody who ever said "I love these sites" would qualify as instant pedo in my experience.

I still don't know what your idea is.

If you posted it anywhere shoot me an ICQ with the link, 1566665.

im not reading the empty posts, but i must say great promo, starting to promote her right now! im sure she will do well with my teens traffic so best wishes with her site!

You are full of shit! I'll give you the spot... lets see if you can give us a sensible answer you retard.

"Okay Bloomer... the kids are asking... WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DO YOU DO?"

why dont you go dig out the thread where I asked if anyone had a problem with me and get off this one?
Lensman?

Well you're right. I have a tendency to believe what I hear and see for facts as opposed to what is said in so called 'stats'. One thing that I know though is that the webcam business implies all sorts fantasies, and that the clientele are much more open to speak out their ideas because they hide behind a nickname and wont get judge. Thats part of the beauty of the Web, isnt it?

I've had ALOT of men asking me to act a 'child role' during my time as a chathostess. Ofcourse I couldnt perform such roles, but I did get into many deep conversations about the matter with men that were willing to tell me about it. You wouldnt believe the stories I've heard in the past 7 years.

I used to be online 5 days a week, approx 8 hours a day. I would sell between 50 to 300 minutes per day in private. I have talked to men from 18 to about 50 years old (my oldest client was actually 82 years old).

Most pedos seem to 'discover' their attraction at the end of their 20's to mid-thirties. I understand that you wouldnt relye on my 'experience', but like I said, I believe in what is tangible and what I can testify from.