Do you think Israel will still exist 50 years from now?

Yes, of course it will. All muslim (yes I didn't capitalize that on purpose) countries will become states on the US. SHALOM!

I thinkkk yesss

Did you just call Israel a Muslim country?

Slutboat still embarrassing by making retarded threads? Looks like its going to be an enjoyable Sunday.

I think it's pretty split Simon. Outside of the Bedouin population, traditionally settled communities of Muslim Arabs comprise about 70% of the Arab population in Israel.

Dont give a flying fuck.

Probably. The Jews have outfoxed their enemies before.

I'm speaking about the GOVERNMENT of Israel.. of course there will still be PEOPLE there.

And did you call me Simon because you think that is my name?

Nope, because I think IRL you resemble a nerd

Slutboat, you have a very, very misguided view of history. United Nations Mandate of 1948 mean anything to you?

The Palestinians rejected statehood in 1948. In 1993-95, they signed the Oslo accords, and Israel departed most of the disputed territories, leaving them to Palestinian administration. Israel re-entered only after the Palestinians refused to stop the terrorists.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124693682423904037.html

(The complete citation is reprinted below to forego your having to exert the effort to click your mouse!)

"Obama and Palestine
The Administration's distancing of itself from Israel is likely to empower those who believe that American support can be degraded.

By JEFF ROBBINS

In his new book, "One State, Two States: Resolving The Israel/Palestine Conflict," historian Benny Morris recounts the lugubrious history of Palestinian refusal to actually accept Israel as a Jewish state in the heart of the uniformly Muslim Middle East. Morris examines the widespread rejection by Palestinians in particular and Arabs in general of a two-state solution that, he points out, has been "a constant refrain of Palestinian leaders … throughout the history of the Palestinian national movement," up to and including the present.

The refusal of Palestinian politicians, academics and clerics to stipulate that they accept a permanent Jewish state existing next to a Palestinian state is, of course, at once a dirty little secret and the 800 pound gorilla in the room when it comes to the debate over the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

For over 80 years, as Morris notes, Palestinians have "persuasively demonstrated" that they do not want any Jewish state in the region, regardless of the boundaries, and regardless of the settlement policy pursued by this Israeli government or that one. The Palestinian rejection of any Jewish state has not merely been the recurring theme of the conflict, but the dominant one. Thus, in the 1930s, the Palestinians rejected a proposed two-state solution that would have created a Jewish state in less than 20 percent of Palestine. In the 1940s, the Palestinians rejected the United Nations partition plan which created a Jewish state on less than half of the arable land in Palestine. From 1948 to 1967, when Israel had no presence in Gaza, the West Bank or East Jerusalem, the Arabs created no Palestinian state. After the 1967 war, when Israel accepted the land-for-peace formulation in UN Resolution 242, the Arab world, including the Palestinians, rejected it. In 2000, when Israel supported a plan put forth by President Clinton that would have created an independent Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem comprising all of Gaza and virtually all of the West Bank, the Palestinians rejected this too, instead commencing a campaign of bombings that left 1,100 Israelis dead and, not incidentally, 4,000 Palestinians dead as well.

And in 2006, when Israel unilaterally and forcibly removed thousands of settlers from the Gaza Strip, abandoning any Jewish presence there, Palestinians responded by rocketing Israeli civilian centers, eventually leaving Israel with the unenviable choice between abandoning ever greater numbers of its civilians to daily Palestinian rocket attacks, on one hand, or entering Gaza to stop those attacks, with the inevitable harm done to civilians there, on the other. For its part, the Hamas leadership, which had assassinated many of its opponents and achieved a military takeover of Gaza, was more than content to trade hundreds of Palestinian lives in Gaza for the international criticism of Israel which Israel's efforts to protect its civilians from these rocket attacks would reliably trigger.

Recently, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told The Washington Post that the Palestinians had once again rejected a two-state solution. Former Prime Minister Olmert, Abbas told the Post, had recently offered an independent Palestinian state comprising all of Gaza, a capital in East Jerusalem and 97 percent of the West Bank - - and Abbas had flatly rejected this as well. "The gaps," Abbas said, without elaboration, "were too wide."

In the meantime, Abbas refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, telling the Post that he preferred to let the passage of time take its course, confident that American and international pressure on Israel would further weaken Israel's position. "Until then," Abbas said, "in the West Bank we have a good reality…the people are living a good life." And just last week, despite yet more stories in the western media that Hamas was at last "moderating" its position on Israel, Hamas informed former President Carter, whose credulousness on the conflict is a source of some wonderment, that as it had previously made clear, it would never recognize Israel's right to exist under any circumstances.

The problem with these facts is that they get in the way of an increasingly fashionable orthodoxy: that it is Israeli settlements on the West Bank that are the obstacle to peace between Palestinians and Israelis. Despite the record recounted so soberingly by Morris, this is a line that is advanced by Palestinian supporters in the West with great vigor, even as Palestinians have been proclaiming somewhat indiscreetly that, actually, the trouble with Israel has nothing to do with settlements and everything to do with its existence, which, three generations after Israel's founding, remains unacceptable.

Morris rather elegantly characterizes the bobbing and weaving of Palestinian spokespeople who profess moderation while continuing to reject Israel's right to exist as "elisions, disingenuousness and vagueness." It might be described less gently as mendacity. Nevertheless, the line that it is Israeli settlements that are the problem, and Prime Minister Netanyahu's reluctance to remove them that is the fundamental impediment to peace, has attained a certain gospel-like adherence in certain quarters and, increasingly, among Democrats. As Dennis Ross and David Makovsky write with understatement in their own new book, "Myths, Illusions and Peace: Finding a New Direction for America in the Middle East," "those on the left…tend to dismiss ideological opposition to Israel's existence."

For Democrats who voted for Barack Obama, but who regard the encirclement of Israel by well-armed fanatics pledged to its destruction with some alarm, the President's treatment of Prime Minister Netanyahu on the occasion of their first meeting has provoked a certain unease. The Obama Administration's pointed and singular focus on Israeli settlements while downplaying the underlying problem of Palestinian rejectionism, the extensive leaking aimed at letting the world know what little regard the Administration has for Israel's newly-elected leader, and Vice President Biden's ostentatious scolding of Israel's supporters at a recent AIPAC conference, can all be regarded as part of a master plan, intended to bring the Arab world into the peace process by demonstrating that American policy toward Israel has changed. Under this theory, Obama's stiff-arming of Israel might be viewed as the diplomatic equivalent of a Hail Mary pass, intended to improve the desperate situation of President Abbas and empower Abbas and other relative moderates to persuade the Arab masses to finally accept a Jewish state.

The risk, of course, is that rather than enhancing the stature of moderates and reducing the influence of those who openly pronounce that what they really seek is the disappearance of Israel, the Obama Administration's gambit will have the opposite effect. The record of Palestinians professing in the West to accept a two-state solution while assuring their own people that they refuse to accept any such solution is incontrovertible, and does not appear to have evolved to any meaningful degree, as Morris points out.

The Administration's purposeful distancing of itself from Israel is likely to empower those who have always believed, and who continue to believe, that in the fullness of time, American support for Israel can be degraded, and with it Israel's ability to survive. Those in the Arab world who have counseled that that is the case—and there are many of them—will take the Administration's insistence that it wishes to be "an honest broker" as evidence that, at long last, American support for Israel has begun to erode, and that it is only a matter of time before it is no longer necessary for them to pretend that it is a two-state solution in which they are interested. If this proves to be the case, the Obama Administration, while intending to be helpful, will have inadvertently dealt whatever prospects exist for Middle East peace a serious blow."

Mr. Robbins served as a United States Delegate to the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva during the Clinton Administration. He is an attorney at Mintz Levin in Boston."

Only the facts, Ma'am!

Sally.

I'm very well versed in the history of how and when Israel was created, the UN has made many blunders in the past and will continue to do so...

AND it was supposed to be a two state solution.... "The resolution recommended the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine and the partition of the territory into two states, one Jewish and one Arab"

But NOTHING you said (or rather pasted) address the question I posed which is - do you think Israel will fall in the next 50 years...

If there is another major terrorist attack on the US you can bet that our support for the Israeli Government will all but vanish overnight.

Owned.. Nothing like stating facts and an intelligent argument to shut up a blabbering moron.

You're kidding - Shut me up??? I totally squashed her 5 minutes after she pasted that huge block of text that had zero relevance to the question at hand.

Slutboat everyone knows you are just a troll so I should probably just ignore your nonsense....... but....... you are aware that Israel has over 100 functional nuclear warheads which can be delivered via submarine to any location in the Middle East right?

There is no way that Israel will ever fall. If it falls it would mean that the entire Middle east and most of the world is enveloped in a radiation cloud.

Israel does not require assistance from the US to survive. the assistance helps obviously....... but Israel will survive without it.

Owned x2. Isn't human psychology amazing? The dumbest people on the planet are also the ones who possess the most amounts of denial.

There are hundreds of responses to my recent threads which proves I am no troll. And if you think that nukes guarantees the continued existence of Israel then you are very mistaken. They would guarantee their immediate and utter collapse if they fired a single nuke.

Let me guess.. You are a Jew.
You people would be nothing w/out our support. Nothing. If you were on the other side of the wall, we would have taken those nukes in a heartbeat and had you ass fucked like Iraq. But you're friends. We need you for now.

I don't care...

why not.....

The illegal nukes, the ones that the world turns their eyes from.

The world will see who the true terrorists are when the Israelis start using their nukes, no one can dispute that. They are one of the only countries in the world to have nuclear bombs illegally and shame on them and anyone that defends them for that reason alone.

As to what Sally posted, you make no mention of the MANY cease fires attempted during the time between 2000-2008, the ones that the Israelis broke - 79% of all conflict pauses during that time were broken by Israel - and if that lull in violence lasted 9 days or more without anyone being killed, Israel was the first one to kill someone 100% of the time.

Are these people really defending themselves? What are the Palestinians supposed to do, if they don't do anything then they are STILL getting KILLED. They try peace and still get killed, should they just wait it out and watch their family and friends drop like flies to Israeli guided missiles? What would YOU do? I'm sure you'd fight back, just as any sane person would.

How misguided are you? The US needs Israel just as much as Israel needs the US. Can Israel exist without the US? Yes, but it would be hard. Why does he have to be a Jew because he makes sense? Or is this just a silly rationalization?

Who cares if Isreal exists in 50 years. I'm more concerned with what will happen with Europe and other more important states.

this assumes that you first believe that Israel and the U.S. are separate entities.

The one thing Americans fear more than terrorists is moronic liberals that have reality backwards. You don't have a point which is obvious when you use the "no one can dispute that" card. Nobody can dispute that you're an idiot who's unable to grasp reality. Israel has nukes because they're 1 country fighting off the entire Muslim population in the Middle East. It's a good thing you're not a politician.

Still manipulating facts eh?

There's absolutely nothing sane about what you just posted.

Care to explain this absurdity?

Aside from the fact that we are the eyes and ears for the West in the Middle East? I don't need to go further than this but then again I'm confident this will go completely over your head, as does everything else.

And what would we do w/out Israel??? Oh lordy lord, we would just die w/out them.

Fuck off, will ya.

You are cancer, not ears.

And what would Israel do without the US? Oh lordy lord, they would just die without us!


Too easy

I would call you stupid but that's just too obvious at this point.

who exactly is "we"?

you part of the Israeli government?

hahahahaha you guys are nothing but a ball and chain - we don't get any useful intelligence from Israel.

El Typo seniore Pepe.

LOL The Demon still being a troll eh. Well it's nice to see that you can't use any logical arguments to try to win a debate and that you'd be laughed out of any REAL debate because of your incessant need to turn it into a 'let me try to make fun of that guy' argument.

That being said, enjoy the freedoms of GFY.

There is no need for Israel to have nuclear weapons illegally or even legally. What can the Muslims in the Middle East throw at them that they would have to use nuclear weapons? Oh wait, Israel is used to delivering in-proportionate attacks against innocent and defenseless civilian populations so that question is dumb. Rocks that kids throw are what will get Israel to fire off their first nukes as their leaders sit in their offices and laugh. That would be just before the US sends in their young men and women to get killed during the clean up. Thanks America, keep fighting for freedom!!


Manipulating facts? I got them from here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-..._b_155611.html and they got them from the Israeli military. So please go on and tell me The Demon how I'm manipulating facts?

The Demon you don't need to answer those questions. Just please refer to a post YOU made earlier and think of your reply to me, and then this reply to you.

Now run along, little troll.

Idiot.. Like sleazy would say.

Oh the irony of this post.


Thanks for posting facts! Oh wait.


No need, I enjoy watching you troll by posting ass backwards logic.

Yup, definitely an idiot.

El Typo?? - hahaha nice try

The hypocrisy demonstrated by Semen Demon here is astounding. He constantly talks shit about the porn industry and the people in it. He is a far right wing conservative that supports people who want to outlaw porn and a religious zealot nutjob who thinks his God and Torah are THE ONE TRUE GOD... So this continues to beg the question:

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE?

fix you hat.

The Demon = Illuminati spy & propagandist.

I love when I win

You give him too much credit - he's not a spy for shit - just a mixed up conflicted religious fanatic that is desperately trying to cling to a religious philosophy that he knows could be total and utter bullshit.

Have fun on your crusty keyboard all day defending yourself Semen Demon while I hang with a couple models and a cooler full of ice cold beer on the beach

Nope! That "huge block of text" completely destroyed the premise for your question, therefore invalidating the question on its face.

Just sayin'.

Sally.

Shit, I wish I was an Illuminati spy. You have any idea what kind of benefits I would be receiving?

Well of course they rejected the illegal partition through force of their territory in 1948. This is the whole crux of the issue. For the Palestinians to recognize Israel is an acceptance of these fundamental illegalities.

What you have just posted is a great example of how the victors of conflicts spin history.

Will Israel exist in 50 years? Probably. In 100? Maybe not. The world's economic and demographic situation is changing rapidly and it may isolate the Israeli's over time. Nuclear bombs or not.

The real challenge for the Israeli's in this time is going to be justifying their existence as a productive and useful state, rather than one that just exists through dogma or force.

heard minority populations in Israel will outnumber jewish within 60 years

america is broke, they will eventually pull the funding plug, israel is already looking to europe and the east to find a new parasitical relationship, but those powers are aware on wary of the negative influence a relationship with israel will have on them. israel will be and increasingly embattled and weakened fortress state, eventually engulfed by demographics so israel will only be a jewish state in name. the end.

This is a the crux of the issue, they were granted land in a region because of just that reason - dogma. Their claim to the land is based on nothing more than religious fervor. There is no solid legal grounds for it's existence, if there was any resemblance of impartiality the Palestinians would have history on their side and a far more logical and legal claim to the region.

It's an imbalance that is going to eventually have to correct.

Unless you're jewish why would anyone give a fuck what happens to Israel? To most Israel is not any different as some small country in africa. Ive never seen anything that says "mad in israel" ! So why would a give a damn?