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  • Worried
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2007
    • 149
    #1

    Where are all the big U.S based gallery submitters at? (2257 spin-off thread)

    It seems like most people in the other 2257 thread are just focusing on tgp owners who can just use text and fhg's. Obviously for gallery submitters there isn't an option for that.

    This topic is just for the submitters, what do you guys plan to do for sponsors that won't give you docs? Do you just plan to delete all galleries for sponsors who won't give you docs and then perhaps rent a small office so you can list yourself as a custodian?

    Are there even lots of U.S based submitters around? From reading the threads it really doesn't seem like there are... It seems to me like most serious submitters are from different countries and like there are more U.S site owners than anything, I just don't see a lot of people addressing the concerns of submitters.
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    • Snake Doctor
      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
      • Mar 2001
      • 13449
      #2
      I deleted all of my galleries two years ago when this 2257 thing first started. Took a big hit in income.

      Then I started all over using only content I had the docs for.
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        • Worried
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2007
          • 149
          #3
          Originally posted by Lenny2
          I deleted all of my galleries two years ago when this 2257 thing first started. Took a big hit in income.

          Then I started all over using only content I had the docs for.
          Do you have an office that you rent that you use as the address for custodian of records?

          There's got to be more U.S submitters out there. It doesn't seem like there are many out there.

          I promote NA as well and they also give me the docs. I guess I could get a small office and purchase Zei2257 to organize all my docs.

          Only problem is I have around 20 sponsors or so that I've used at some time or another and all together they make my income very comfortable. My NA sales by itself are not enough to sustain my lifestyle.

          Only NA and another sponsor I use have enabled me to be compliant with the new laws.

          I'm not sure about sponsors where you call an 800 number in case you get investigated and then pray someone answers while Mr fbi is waiting there next to you. What do you think about these sponsors like TCG or Topbucks where you call an 800 number?
          Last edited by Worried; 04-04-2007, 12:15 PM.

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            • Sosa
              In Tushy Land
              • Oct 2002
              • 40149
              #4
              I'm trying to figure out what to do as well. I deleted alot of the galleries before and really only work with a few programs closely that I submit for. I'm already in contact with some of those to see what actions we should take at this point.

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                • BlackCrayon
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 19634
                  #5
                  This law is really unfair to americans. I feel for my fellow webmasters down south of me. I'd imagine american hosting is going to take a hit as well. I guess the US government just doesn't care about the income adult webmasters bring in.
                  you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                    • NaughtyAce
                      Traffic - Protect Content
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1482
                      #6
                      As you and Lenny have stated, we provide full documents, we just require that you sign a contract with us, agree to do correct documentation, and we consistently check to make sure you are compliant.

                      I don't know how many companies currently do this, but I would be curious to know if you guys have a list or a list of companies that don't etc...

                      Like Lenny and I believe Sosa have stated. It's better to work with the laws than around them, especially if you are in this business for the long term.

                      We decided this years ago.
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                        • Worried
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 149
                          #7
                          Wow, not very U.S submitters around huh? That's not good. That means that the chances will be high for a submitter to be targeted because there are so few of them to begin with.

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                            • GatorB
                              The Demon & 12clicks
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 18208
                              #8
                              I'm glad I learned a long time ago you don't need content to make money.

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                                • kane
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Aug 2001
                                  • 20684
                                  #9
                                  I submit galleries and basically I've been documenting all my urls in a spreadsheet so I can keep the cross reference up. I may have to make some changes to it once I get some clarifications on exactly what needs to be done to make it 100% compliant, but I have a start on it. I also bought a domain that will only host my my 2257 info and I will/am pointing all my sites to it. Some sponsors I have contacted have said they will give me the docs I need and others have either not gotten back to me or have said they probably will not. If I can't get the docs I have two options available to me. I can either delete the gallery or I can replace the content with something I actually have the docs for.

                                  Either way it is going to be a pain in the ass.

                                  My future sees me moving into a more non-nude, anime and things like that.

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                                    • Worried
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2007
                                      • 149
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                      I'm glad I learned a long time ago you don't need content to make money.
                                      Yes, I'm aware of that, but I'm referring to people whose business model is submitting galleries and who are doing well with it.

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                                        • GatorB
                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 18208
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Worried
                                          Yes, I'm aware of that, but I'm referring to people whose business model is submitting galleries and who are doing well with it.

                                          Well I hear Burger King is taking applications.

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                                            • Worried
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2007
                                              • 149
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                              Well I hear Burger King is taking applications.
                                              Why should I when there are sponsors that are offering documents? I started this thread to discuss with other SUBMITTERS and sponsors about how this will be affecting their business models.

                                              Since you don't use content and don't submit get out of my thread, since it doesn't concern you.
                                              Last edited by Worried; 04-04-2007, 01:55 PM.

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                                                • Tempest
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • May 2004
                                                  • 10217
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by NaughtyAce
                                                  As you and Lenny have stated, we provide full documents, we just require that you sign a contract with us, agree to do correct documentation, and we consistently check to make sure you are compliant.
                                                  Compliant according to who? Your requirements go beyond what they should to the point where you're dictating what affiliates have to do to meet the law.

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                                                    • GatorB
                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 18208
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Worried
                                                      Why should I when there are sponsors that are offering documents? I started this thread to discuss with other SUBMITTERS and sponsors about how this will be affecting their business models.

                                                      Since you don't use content and don't submit get out of my thread, since it doesn't concern you.
                                                      Hey GO FUCK YOURSELF Mr. "I just registered today" douchebag. Who in the fuck are you telling me where I can and can't post. YOU don't own any threads.

                                                      Have a nice day.

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                                                        • Furious_Male
                                                          Doing the grind since 99
                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                          • 16884
                                                          #15
                                                          This is going to get interesting. Its not just TGP submitters but free site owners, PPC guys, SEO guys anyone with content on there sites.

                                                          With my personal stuff I must have had 1000s of free sites, full page ads, splash pages etc. out there. I have been slowly deleting and cleaning things up since 2005 due to secondary producer concerns.

                                                          It gets interesting with link directories etc. as well. Screen caps of sites I am promoting would require 2257 docs for every model in that cap. It just isn't practical.

                                                          Its time to get creative.

                                                          Sure we can adapt and switch to text and sponsor hosted material etc. however that puts us at a disadvantage to foreign webmasters who can use images and don't have to worry about any of this.
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                                                            • billybathgate
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                                                              • Jan 2007
                                                              • 483
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                              My future sees me moving into a more non-nude, anime and things like that.
                                                              yep same here softcore and mature . but what about sites like google images and yahoo images msn etc..... be intersting to see how that would turn out.
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                                                                • pornguy
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                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 62910
                                                                  #17
                                                                  the law does not say that you have to have an office. it says that you have to have a place, where the work is DONE, and that the docs must be there and available for inspection during business hours.
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                                                                    • kane
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                                      • 20684
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by billybathgate
                                                                      yep same here softcore and mature . but what about sites like google images and yahoo images msn etc..... be intersting to see how that would turn out.
                                                                      exactly. Google images is the biggest TGP in the world.

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                                                                        • Worried
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                          • 149
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                          the law does not say that you have to have an office. it says that you have to have a place, where the work is DONE, and that the docs must be there and available for inspection during business hours.
                                                                          Well, for me that place would be an office and I would probably start working there as well. I am not using my house address as custodian of records.

                                                                          Since I already have to drive to the office I might as well work there full-time instead of just 20 hours a week.

                                                                          The best of working from home for me is to not have to wash your face and get dressed in the morning and drive somewhere but if worst comes to worst I will have no option but to give that up.

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                                                                            • MakingItPay
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                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 1923
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by kane

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                                                                                • channel69content
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                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                  • 412
                                                                                  #21
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                                                                                    • Worried
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                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                      • 149
                                                                                      #22
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                                                                                        • NaughtyAce
                                                                                          Traffic - Protect Content
                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                          • 1482
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                          Compliant according to who? Your requirements go beyond what they should to the point where you're dictating what affiliates have to do to meet the law.
                                                                                          We only ask our affiliates to sign a contract with us to protect the records that we are giving you and that you place a link to a 2257 statement from your root domain.

                                                                                          We are not asking for anything out of the ordinary or anything that is not already necessary to comply with the law.

                                                                                          I'm always open for criticism, but anything we ask of our affiliates has been carefully reviewed by our attorneys to ensure that our company is safe.
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                                                                                            • Tempest
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                              • 10217
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by NaughtyAce
                                                                                              We only ask our affiliates to sign a contract with us to protect the records that we are giving you and that you place a link to a 2257 statement from your root domain.

                                                                                              We are not asking for anything out of the ordinary or anything that is not already necessary to comply with the law.

                                                                                              I'm always open for criticism, but anything we ask of our affiliates has been carefully reviewed by our attorneys to ensure that our company is safe.
                                                                                              The first part to becoming a Gold affiliate is signing a contract with us which states that you are complying with the 18 U.S.C. law.

                                                                                              You should have left it at that and worded it so that it says "as it applies to your business" which leaves room for the difference in interpretations between all the different lawyers.
                                                                                              Secondly, you will need to post a hyperlink to the page containing your 2257 information, similar to our own. This hyper-link must be linked from the bottom of any promotional pages or pages that you create, own or operate that contain sexually explicit images or content.

                                                                                              That's not what the law said. In fact, if the government was going to be that anal, I suspect you guys wouldn't be compliant anyway as the law was very specific about the wording and size that the link was to be.
                                                                                              The page that the hyper-link goes to must contain your business address where you will be maintaining the 2257 records. P.O. Boxes are not acceptable.

                                                                                              You're requirements don't have any provisions for foreign WMs. i.e there's no way I'm going to list my address. They can contact me to make arrangements to visit if they want, just as they'd have to do if the person is "part time".

                                                                                              You're lawyer has gone overboard to protect you from the slim chance that the government might come after you for someone else not meeting their definition of the law.

                                                                                              Fact is, you have plenty of WMs that are breaking that agreement right now. But I doubt you're cancelling their accounts but are instead ignoring the issue. In my mind, it seems to me your lawyer has made it even worse for you. As you've said you will audit your affiliates to ensure they're complying.. Since many aren't, I would think you'd end up being more fucked than if you simply said your afiliates must comply and left it at that.

                                                                                              I was going to do what probably most of you affiliates did, sign the contract and then not follow it anyway. How may of your affiliates have their "real" addresses on their 2257 page and not some made up one? But it's not worth the risk to me to generate a bunch of SE traffic to you and then have you pull the plug based on some "opinions" about what the law really means, especially since I'm a foreign WM.

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                                                                                                • Worried
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                                  • 149
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  No more U.S submitters out there?

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                                                                                                    • Worried
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                                      • 149
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      No more?? Any more submitters with 2257 dillemas?

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                                                                                                        • Worried
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                                                          • 149
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                          I deleted all of my galleries two years ago when this 2257 thing first started. Took a big hit in income.

                                                                                                          Then I started all over using only content I had the docs for.
                                                                                                          Did you get an office as well to use as a custodian's address?

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