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Could .xxx "Supporters" be Outed If ICM Sues ICANN?

04-03-2007, 07:36 PM

What do you think--if ICM sues ICANN, will the names/organizations of the .xxx supporters end up being revealed in the filings/responses/depositions/hearings/transcripts/etc?

What would be your reaction to finding out who they were/are?

Do you think the past .xxx supporters should ask ICM to forget about suing, lest they get exposed?

Should we forgive them? If so, why; if not, why not?

If ICM walks away and doesn't stir the pot more, I'm somewhat agreeable to being understanding about putting this entire nightmare to bed --- are you???

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04-03-2007, 07:37 PM

they need to put it to rest and get some real business done

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04-03-2007, 07:41 PM

hey, ill donate to the icann fund to countersue ICM ;)
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04-03-2007, 07:44 PM

i'd like to know.
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04-03-2007, 08:41 PM

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04-03-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by davecummings

What do you think--if ICM sues ICANN, will the names/organizations of the .xxx supporters end up being revealed in the filings/responses/depositions/hearings/transcripts/etc?

What would be your reaction to finding out who they were/are?

Do you think the past .xxx supporters should ask ICM to forget about suing, lest they get exposed?

Should we forgive them? If so, why; if not, why not?

If ICM walks away and doesn't stir the pot more, I'm somewhat agreeable to being understanding about putting this entire nightmare to bed --- are you???

No one ever cares if the names are big enough. All you have to do is look at all the past BS many of the big boys have been involved with or are still currently involved with.

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04-03-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by davecummings

What do you think--if ICM sues ICANN, will the names/organizations of the .xxx supporters end up being revealed in the filings/responses/depositions/hearings/transcripts/etc?

What would be your reaction to finding out who they were/are?

Do you think the past .xxx supporters should ask ICM to forget about suing, lest they get exposed?

Should we forgive them? If so, why; if not, why not?

If ICM walks away and doesn't stir the pot more, I'm somewhat agreeable to being understanding about putting this entire nightmare to bed --- are you???

Actually the weasels at ICANN wants to pack up and go offshore so they can avoid what will undoutedly be non-stop civil litigation over regfly as well as whatever ICM is planning.

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04-03-2007, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by davecummings

What do you think--if ICM sues ICANN, will the names/organizations of the .xxx supporters end up being revealed in the filings/responses/depositions/hearings/transcripts/etc?

What would be your reaction to finding out who they were/are?

Do you think the past .xxx supporters should ask ICM to forget about suing, lest they get exposed?

Should we forgive them? If so, why; if not, why not?

If ICM walks away and doesn't stir the pot more, I'm somewhat agreeable to being understanding about putting this entire nightmare to bed --- are you???

From the way people talk on here, it wasn't personal it was just " business". It was a business decission they made to support .xxx so that doesn't make them bad people, just makes their business bad So I am sure these people will buy some drinks and all will be forgiven.

These supporters will still be top notch, good ole boys. Nothing personal, just business.

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04-03-2007, 11:08 PM

be interesting to know.........................

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04-04-2007, 12:28 AM

It would be a " business decission" in a case like Acacia. Some people were worried about legal fees, etc...as much as we didn't want them to cave, I can understand why they did.

It would be a " business decission" if you were worried about .xxx and tried to preregister .xxx for your .com.

It would not be a " business decission" IMO for those people who supported .xxx The only logical reason I could see some of the bigger named people supporting it was if they had a deal with ICM and stood to gain financially if .xxx went through. I would like to know who these people are. If they are willing to support something that could fuck us all so they could make a fast buck, I definetly wouldn't trust them with my traffic and sales.

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04-04-2007, 02:33 AM

a lawsuit wouldn't be needed...they could be outed by somebody not playing like their in high school with a secret about Tommy and Jody and spill it already....Fuck!

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04-04-2007, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by crockett

No one ever cares if the names are big enough. All you have to do is look at all the past BS many of the big boys have been involved with or are still currently involved with.

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04-04-2007, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Fris

they need to put it to rest and get some real business done

IOW, we should forgive and forget? And, move onward!

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04-04-2007, 07:06 AM

While on one hand we Cant really blame the .xxx supporters for wanting a piece of the pie..

On the other hand , these people werent public in their support because nobody is going to do biz with someone who goes behind your back to cut you out. so i guess it would be nice to know who those people are so i know not to trust them much

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04-04-2007, 08:55 AM

I'm only interested in those that agreed to the secret deals we all know existed - yup, I'd like them to be exposed.

Why? .... lol .... you decide ;-)

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04-04-2007, 10:14 AM

So, do you think ICM suing ICANN will expose any secret deals?

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04-04-2007, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by davecummings

So, do you think ICM suing ICANN will expose any secret deals?

simple answer - no, it will not expose secret deals

expanatory answer - ICM obviously wouldn't expose or call them secret deals.... however....

Keep 2 things in mind:
1. ICM is very accomplished at rhetorical 'spinning' of the truth
2. The fact they would HAVE to show they met ICANN's criteria (including community 'support') to the court. .... if they do not PROVE the criteria was met, they loose the lawsuit. Supporters were part of the criteria.

That being said, supporters names would have to be released but they would not (and could not) disclose the 'deals' - as that would show illegal actions. They'd have to 'spin' it all into the 'support' umbrella.

IMHO it would be pretty darn easy to distinguish which 'supporters' were involved in a covert capacity

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04-04-2007, 11:43 AM

darn fingernails lol

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04-04-2007, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by vicki

simple answer - no, it will not expose secret deals

expanatory answer - ICM obviously wouldn't expose or call them secret deals.... however....

Keep 2 things in mind:
1. ICM is very accomplished at rhetorical 'spinning' of the truth
2. The fact they would HAVE to show they met ICANN's criteria (including community 'support') to the court. .... if they do not PROVE the criteria was met, they loose the lawsuit. Supporters were part of the criteria.

That being said, supporters names would have to be released but they would not (and could not) disclose the 'deals' - as that would show illegal actions. They'd have to 'spin' it all into the 'support' umbrella.

IMHO it would be pretty darn easy to distinguish which 'supporters' were involved in a covert capacity

Interesting analyis/comments --thanks:-))

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04-04-2007, 01:19 PM

Let's hope .xxx stays dead.

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04-04-2007, 01:26 PM

I have a feeling ICM will seek relief in the courts.

He has put out alot of coin he says to just let it go this easy....

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04-04-2007, 03:11 PM

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If they want to build a case that they have support they will have to produce the supporters in the industry.

Do ya's think the Adult Internet Industry should as a whole forgive and forget about the business "supporters" amongst us; or, should ya's, as individuals, deal with some or all of them by whatever business means available to you as individuals?

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04-04-2007, 03:53 PM

If ICM sues ICANN, then ICANN will presumably countersue, which will lead to discovery, which should lead to public disclosure.

The other issue is... if someone wanted to pursue it, you might be able to try a FOIA request against ICANN to release all documents concerned with the .xxx application. I'm not sure how it would work because ICANN is quasi-governmental, but they do have "open meeting" rules and presumably would be subject to some sort of disclosure requirements.

Lawley will immediately argue that the information is "deeply proprietary" but I don't see how the NAMES of the companies you're advocating as supporting .xxx can possibly be considered proprietary by any reasonable judge... it's not like the folks over at .info or .biz or .aero will be banging down the doors to make deals with these same companies.

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04-04-2007, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by davecummings

Do ya's think the Adult Internet Industry should as a whole forgive and forget about the business "supporters" amongst us; or, should ya's, as individuals, deal with some or all of them by whatever business means available to you as individuals?

I have been in business for more than thirty years. I have worked with people whose closest approach to legality was betting shops and used car lots and I have done business with corporations like Disney. Across that whole spectrum there are people you can trust and others you cannot. A lack of ethics is a permanent character flaw, not something like the common cold which passes after a few days.

Forgiveness is irrelevant and it is foolish to forget. Someone who has tried to screw you once, will do so again if the opportunity arises. Someone who has tried to screw someone else, will screw you if they can.

Dealing with realities: that's business, it's not the stuff of the naive cliché repeated over and over on here the past few months, with people somehow separating the person from the way he does business. Of course the people who pat you on the back, looking for where to stick the knife in, want you to believe they are really jolly nice chaps: they would have no-one to scam if people did the sensible thing and kept them at arms length. But there is a line between legitimate competition and things which are unacceptable. There has to be, otherwise we would spend all our time looking over our shoulders, instead of getting on with making money.

When someone crosses that line, simple logic dictates that you shut them out of any future business. If you can, you punish them too, to discourage others. And you look to see who still does business with them, because you are looking at people who are themselves dishonest or fools. Bad news either way...
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04-04-2007, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by jayeff

When someone crosses that line, simple logic dictates that you shut them out of any future business. If you can, you punish them too, to discourage others. And you look to see who still does business with them, because you are looking at people who are themselves dishonest or fools. Bad news either way...

Very well said and I'd love to know.
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