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03-30-2007, 11:45 AM

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Cigarettes won't make you toothless and kill skin cells to the point of having permanent open wounds within 2 years.
Meth will literally destroy your cells, including brain cells... making it very difficult to retain many short term memories, mess up your ability to communicate and affect your nervous system to the point of losing control over your body. They get VERY shaky and uncoordinated.

Smokes will rot you, but not to the extent or the speed that meth does. Meth will radically change your appearance and IQ within 2 years time and that damage can never be undone.

The difference is that smokers do it for 50+ years, so the effects are visible by the end. Meth addicts have a 20 year life span beyond the start of their addiction. And that's only the lucky ones. If a smoker died within 20 years of starting, it's not likely you'd ever compare the two.

You drink alcohol every day, you might die. You eat big macs every day, you might die. You smoke meth every day, you might die. If you fucking sit and drink gallon after gallon of water all day, you might die. You lay out in the sun, you're fucking up your skin. Their are health risks associated with everything we do in life. Let people make their own choices.

Not to mention your whole argument is about addicts. Alcohol is a perfect example of a substance with huge addiction potential that the majority of people are able to use moderately and responsibly. I know it's not good for my liver when I go out and drink every now and then. But it's my liver. My choice.

I'm not for legalizing drugs so more people can use them and fuckup their lives. That's their choice. I'm for legalizing them so that the shit is taken off the streets. There is a huge criminal underground because of prohibition. Drug cartels and all that shit shouldn't exist. Let corporations run the trade properly and legally like with booze and cigarettes.

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03-30-2007, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by vvq

You drink alcohol every day, you might die. You eat big macs every day, you might die. You smoke meth every day, you might die. If you fucking sit and drink gallon after gallon of water all day, you might die. You lay out in the sun, you're fucking up your skin. Their are health risks associated with everything we do in life. Let people make their own choices.

Not to mention your whole argument is about addicts. Alcohol is a perfect example of a substance with huge addiction potential that the majority of people are able to use moderately and responsibly. I know it's not good for my liver when I go out and drink every now and then. But it's my liver. My choice.

I'm not for legalizing drugs so more people can use them and fuckup their lives. That's their choice. I'm for legalizing them so that the shit is taken off the streets. There is a huge criminal underground because of prohibition. Drug cartels and all that shit shouldn't exist. Let corporations run the trade properly and legally like with booze and cigarettes.

You said it yourself over and over again "might die".... if you use meth, you WILL die. That's the difference. Meth WILL mess you up and destroy every piece of humanity you have left.
If you have a big mac, you can diet. If you drink too much, you can join AA... you can't recover from METH as easily. It's certainly possible, but you'll never get back to 100%. Never.

And the reason I'm talking about an addict is because eating big macs is a habit. Drinking can be a habit. With meth, there is no inbetween. There are no "meth habits" out there. You don't do meth and not be addicted to it.

You can rationalize it any way you want, but meth is a killer. It destroys you from the inside out FAST. The other things you mentioned do... but no where near as fast, no where near as devastatingly.

And as I said before, Meth is a choice that they make for themselves, but there are almost always other victims, such as children. If I eat big macs and die at 80 instead of 90, my child might shed a tear. If I do meth now and die at 40, my child might grow up wondering who I was.

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03-30-2007, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by ADL Josh

If that statement holds true, than you have to agree with this one too: "Murderers will remain murderers in jail. There are plenty of weapons in prison." So is it pointless to lock up murderers too?

How can you even compare the two? People who use drugs are abusing their own bodies. Are you gonna lock someone up for attempted suicide? No. You get them help. Thats what addicts need, help. Prison isnt' a deterant, if it was there wouldn't be millions locked up. Murderers spend 15-25-life in prison for taking someones life. Its not comparable by a long shot.

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03-30-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

How can you even compare the two? People who use drugs are abusing their own bodies. Are you gonna lock someone up for attempted suicide? No. You get them help. Thats what addicts need, help. Prison isnt' a deterant, if it was there wouldn't be millions locked up. Murderers spend 15-25-life in prison for taking someones life. Its not comparable by a long shot.

This is why I do not bother arguing with people who view drug use as a "crime." They simply do not have the mental capacity to even begin to grasp the idea that "drug use is a public health issue, not a crime." They cannot even begin to understand the concept of liberty or justice.

Drug use is a public health issue, not a criminal matter

If drug abuse is a crime, then alcoholics should be jailed too. Heroin addicts have methadone clinics to keep them loaded. Why not just jail every person who is addicted to anything?

There is no need to argue with these people, theyll never understand.

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03-30-2007, 12:33 PM

PS - a corner store around the corner here sells candy cigarettes.

yep, little white stick like cigarettes.

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03-30-2007, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by StuartD

You said it yourself over and over again "might die".... if you use meth, you WILL die. That's the difference. Meth WILL mess you up and destroy every piece of humanity you have left.
If you have a big mac, you can diet. If you drink too much, you can join AA... you can't recover from METH as easily. It's certainly possible, but you'll never get back to 100%. Never.

And the reason I'm talking about an addict is because eating big macs is a habit. Drinking can be a habit. With meth, there is no inbetween. There are no "meth habits" out there. You don't do meth and not be addicted to it.

You can rationalize it any way you want, but meth is a killer. It destroys you from the inside out FAST. The other things you mentioned do... but no where near as fast, no where near as devastatingly.

And as I said before, Meth is a choice that they make for themselves, but there are almost always other victims, such as children. If I eat big macs and die at 80 instead of 90, my child might shed a tear. If I do meth now and die at 40, my child might grow up wondering who I was.

addiction can destory you. overdosing can kill you. but that can be said about any substance illegal or legal. if every person that ever used meth died from it, no one would use it and there wouldn't be these problems lol. you choose to blame the chemical, i'll blame the mechanism that really causes the death and destruction. that is physical addiction.

like i already said. it's a fact that smoking tobacco will shorten your life, but we let people do it. no one is sucking dick or selling everything they own for tobacco or booze because it's legally available. families are ruined every day when people have heart attacks or develop diabetes. we still let people induldge in the substances that contribute to these conditions. we still let people fry their skin every day in the sun. IT'S THEIR CHOICE! it's up to YOU personally to weigh the negative and positive results from your actions. no one elses. someone can pickup a gun, blow their brains out, and totally ruin their family. but we still allow people to own guns and use them properly.

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03-30-2007, 12:36 PM

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03-30-2007, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

This is why I do not bother arguing with people who view drug use as a "crime." They simply do not have the mental capacity to even begin to grasp the idea that "drug use is a public health issue, not a crime." They cannot even begin to understand the concept of liberty or justice.

Drug use is a public health issue, not a criminal matter

If drug abuse is a crime, then alcoholics should be jailed too. Heroin addicts have methadone clinics to keep them loaded. Why not just jail every person who is addicted to anything?

There is no need to argue with these people, theyll never understand.

I UNDERSTAND everything your saying, I just don't AGREE 100% with what your saying. It's not an argument either, were all just voicing our opinions. There's a lot of ways to look at it. I agree in the fact that it's a public health issue, but it's definitely a criminal matter too. When the addicts start to steal, kill, or do whatever else it takes to get money or substance to feed their addiction, it becomes a huge criminal matter. That's when they should be arrested. I don't think they should be arrested just for using. And you're right, it's the same thing with alcohol. You shouldn't be arrested for drinking, but when you drink and put innocent people in danger that's a problem. I'm not saying I'm right, your right, or anybody's right. It's just my views.

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03-30-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by ADL Josh

I think weed should definintely be legal, but no way in hell should crystal meth be. To each his own, but I've never seen Alcohol, Cigarettes, or Marijuana have these effects on people.

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03-30-2007, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

How can you even compare the two? People who use drugs are abusing their own bodies. Are you gonna lock someone up for attempted suicide? No. You get them help. Thats what addicts need, help. Prison isnt' a deterant, if it was there wouldn't be millions locked up. Murderers spend 15-25-life in prison for taking someones life. Its not comparable by a long shot.

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03-30-2007, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by ADL Josh

I agree in the fact that it's a public health issue, but it's definitely a criminal matter too. When the addicts start to steal, kill, or do whatever else it takes to get money or substance to feed their addiction, it becomes a huge criminal matter.

but can't you see that this crime occurs because of the prohibition? look at what happened with alcohol when the mob was running shit. violence, murder, crime.

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03-30-2007, 01:19 PM

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03-30-2007, 02:31 PM

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03-30-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by GatorB

Not hypocrisy. LOGIC. Some drugs are good some are bad. FACT. I know more about his topic than you'll ever know. My ex is doing her 4th stint in jail since 2001 as we speak over this crap. I live in a county of less than 17,000 yet not a week goes by that at least one person isn't busted for meth. Usually several are. They not only do the drug, but to support their so called "right" to do it they break into homes and business and steal shit. I don't give a rats ass if you do think it's their right to do it. Fuck their rights. I have rights too.

Your ex is obviously a dumb worthess cunt.

Don't blame the drug, blame your stupid fucking ex. I suppose you want to take away everyone's guns because a few people decide to go on murderous rampages with them.
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03-30-2007, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by GatorB

Hey moron when they guy living next to you is tealng your shit to support his habbit and when he is making meth and his lab explodes come back and tell about his rights. When he's exposing his kids to the toxic chemicals in his basement lab tell me about HIS rights. You are a fucking retard.

Duh, which is why the government should subsidize drug habits, not ban them and put billions of dollars in the pockets of drug dealers and machine gun manufacturers for SWAT teams.
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