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04-26-2002, 07:57 AM

this is not just an american problem,,,

the shits even happening in germany,,
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...ing/index.html

what's up with these kids now?
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04-26-2002, 08:03 AM

Wow 18 dead
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04-26-2002, 08:04 AM

school just ain't safe anymore,,,
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04-26-2002, 08:05 AM

ach du scheisse

wow, this fucking sucks. what a bunch of fucktards...
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04-26-2002, 08:08 AM

supposedly the 18-year-old was about to take a math final (for his highschool diploma), and he said that it wouldn't make any sense for him to take it ... so he pulled out a gun, killed 14 teachers, 2 kids, on police officer and then himself.

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04-26-2002, 08:14 AM

Damn - I read this post and then ran for the TV. The story just had came on the news when I turned it on.

They said the kid wore all black, just like those two kids from Columbine.

I read a Stephen King short story that he wrote years ago called 'Rage'. The similarities are so close - it's spooky.

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04-26-2002, 08:19 AM

Very crazy!
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04-26-2002, 08:36 AM

further proof that a mind is a terrible thing.

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04-26-2002, 08:41 AM

What's up with that? 14 teachers! wow he must have rushed a staff conference room or something. Unless he went into all 14 classes. I went to a high school in a small town. Something like this would have forced the school to hire a whole new staff.

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04-26-2002, 08:49 AM

It will never end....as long as ther is guns there will always that 1 person crazy enough to do shit like this
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04-26-2002, 08:50 AM

This is b****** then columbine, we though that was bad. This is really bad, cop killed and everything.

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04-26-2002, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by jreaka
It will never end....as long as ther is guns there will always that 1 person crazy enough to do shit like this

oh, please tell me you are not insinuating that guns are to blame here....

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04-26-2002, 09:03 AM

I forsee a gun debate coming...

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04-26-2002, 09:04 AM

You'll never end the argument here.

Some love guns and some hatem. PERIOD.

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04-26-2002, 09:06 AM

the shit only starts boiling when guns fall into the wrong people's hands. wonder what consequences this will have.

but since guns are very inaccessible in Germany anyhow, I don't think anything's gonna happen.
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04-26-2002, 09:09 AM

doesn't matter.... love 'em or hate 'em, the guns didn't kill anyone. The whack jobs using them did. Guns are tools. End of story. If there were no guns, the whack jobs would have simply used a different tool to kill those people. Like bombs..... or Anthrax..... or airplanes..... or pointy sticks..... or whatever. It never fails to amaze me when I see the level of sheer idiocy in people claiming that "guns kill people!".... fucking Drano kills people too.

I've owned guns for 29 years. Got my first one at the age of 6. And none of them.... not a single one..... has ever jumped up and killed a person.

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04-26-2002, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
doesn't matter.... love 'em or hate 'em, the guns didn't kill anyone. The whack jobs using them did. Guns are tools. End of story. If there were no guns, the whack jobs would have simply used a different tool to kill those people. Like bombs..... or Anthrax..... or airplanes..... or pointy sticks..... or whatever. It never fails to amaze me when I see the level of sheer idiocy in people claiming that "guns kill people!".... fucking Drano kills people too.

I've owned guns for 29 years. Got my first one at the age of 6. And none of them.... not a single one..... has ever jumped up and killed a person.

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04-26-2002, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
doesn't matter.... love 'em or hate 'em, the guns didn't kill anyone. The whack jobs using them did. Guns are tools. End of story. If there were no guns, the whack jobs would have simply used a different tool to kill those people. Like bombs..... or Anthrax..... or airplanes..... or pointy sticks..... or whatever. It never fails to amaze me when I see the level of sheer idiocy in people claiming that "guns kill people!".... fucking Drano kills people too.

I've owned guns for 29 years. Got my first one at the age of 6. And none of them.... not a single one..... has ever jumped up and killed a person.

very, very well put.
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04-26-2002, 09:26 AM

Guns are not inaccesible in germany. Actually it's pretty easy to get a gun here and they are not even expensive. Schools are full of idiots that have guns.

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04-26-2002, 09:32 AM

I've lived in Germany for 16 years ... according to my level of knowledge it's pretty hard to get a "real" gun. You know, you gotta get your license, go throught a bunch of tests and shit.... maybe it wasn't that bad where I grew up - although Frankfurt was jsut 30 min away.
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04-26-2002, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by SearchForSex
Guns are not inaccesible in germany. Actually it's pretty easy to get a gun here and they are not even expensive. Schools are full of idiots that have guns.

Sad but true

on TV they had interviewed a German person and he said he was shocked because its not as easy to get gun in germany like it is in the US..

hey i am all for guns for recreational purposes,,, but please do not tell me you need a fully automatic military assualt rifle in your home so you can go hunting,,
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04-26-2002, 09:36 AM

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hey i am all for guns for recreational purposes,,, but please do not tell me you need a fully automatic military assualt rifle in your home so you can go hunting,,

Bad argument...... what about all these idiots driving around with their fucking trunk full of subwoofers so you can here nothing but flatline bass for 6 blocks..... is that necessary for listening to music?? Hardly.

When you start talking about what people "NEED" versus what people "WANT".... it can get very ugly, very quick..... remember, nobody NEEDS porn either.....

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04-26-2002, 09:37 AM

I was not talking about the legal market, because you need ten mio. licenses and stuff until they allow you to buy a gun. He got it from the huge black market where it's pretty easy to get a gun.

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04-26-2002, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by playa

hey i am all for guns for recreational purposes,,, but please do not tell me you need a fully automatic military assualt rifle in your home so you can go hunting,,

I would like to know who hunts with a "fully automatic" military assault rifle. No hunter I know wants to go to prison for owning a fully automatic rifle, nor have I ever known anyone to hunt with a full auto weapon. TV style propoghanda.

If my AK47 is good enough to kill another man at several hundred yards, it sure as hell is good enough to drop a deer at the same distance.
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04-26-2002, 09:44 AM

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Bad argument...... what about all these idiots driving around with their fucking trunk full of subwoofers so you can here nothing but flatline bass for 6 blocks..... is that necessary for listening to music?? Hardly.

far as i know no one has gotten killed from a subwoofer,, maybe loss of hearing,,,

in georgia we have gun shows,,, and stuff i seen there was just outrageous,,, brass nuckles, bomb instructions, hidden knives, what's the purpose of these?

When you start talking about what people "NEED" versus what people "WANT".... it can get very ugly, very quick..... remember, nobody NEEDS porn either.....

true,,, but lets be real, alot people actually think they "NEED" a fully automatic assualt rifle,,,, sure thing some people would "WANT" for collectible purposes,,, but is it worth it, for the people that "NEED" one? just asking for trouble there
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04-26-2002, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by [Labret]

I would like to know who hunts with a "fully automatic" military assault rifle. No hunter I know wants to go to prison for owning a fully automatic rifle, nor have I ever known anyone to hunt with a full auto weapon. TV style propoghanda.

so why would someone own one?
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04-26-2002, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by playa
far as i know no one has gotten killed from a subwoofer,, maybe loss of hearing,,,

I could kill with a subwoofer.... beat someone to death with it.

Originally posted by playa
in georgia we have gun shows,,, and stuff i seen there was just outrageous,,, brass nuckles, bomb instructions, hidden knives, what's the purpose of these?

to kill.... what do you think they're for? They're killing tools.

Originally posted by playa
true,,, but lets be real, alot people actually think they "NEED" a fully automatic assualt rifle,,,, sure thing some people would "WANT" for collectible purposes,,, but is it worth it, for the people that "NEED" one? just asking for trouble there

Alot of people also think they NEED a Klingon Uniform for the trekky conventions too.

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04-26-2002, 10:06 AM

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in georgia we have gun shows,,, and stuff i seen there was just outrageous,,, brass nuckles, bomb instructions, hidden knives, what's the purpose of these?
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to kill.... what do you think they're for? They're killing tools. .

exactly my point,,, to kill people,,,, is this wrong? or should we now think that murder and death is just ok
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04-26-2002, 10:06 AM

you cannot combine germany and the usa
getting a gun in germany is 100 times harder than in the usa.
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04-26-2002, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by jreaka
It will never end....as long as ther is guns there will always that 1 person crazy enough to do shit like this

If there weren't guns they would just find something else to use.

As long as there are people who don't know how to control their anger and emotions, this will continue to happen.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

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04-26-2002, 10:08 AM

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you cannot combine germany and the usa
getting a gun in germany is 100 times harder than in the usa.

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04-26-2002, 10:09 AM

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exactly my point,,, to kill people,,,, is this wrong? or should we now think that murder and death is just ok

dude... I can kill someone with a hundred thousand different ordinary household products. Who cares if some guy wants to own a pair of brass knuckles or a knife? I got 14 knives in the kitchen right now..... it isn't the product that kills.... it's the people. I could kill with my damn shishkabob skewers man..... do we ban all chemicals and anything remotely pointy too then? Be realistic.

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04-26-2002, 10:13 AM

people have been killing people since there were people..... long before there was ever even the idea of a gun or a knife. Get over it. It's human nature. We kill each other. If not with guns, knives, bombs, etc... then with clubs, rocks, poison, etc.... there is always a way to kill someone if you are bent on doing it.

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04-26-2002, 10:14 AM

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I was not talking about the legal market, because you need ten mio. licenses and stuff until they allow you to buy a gun. He got it from the huge black market where it's pretty easy to get a gun.

That's true anywhere. So, basically, having guns being illegal or hard to get isn't the answer, right?

Bottom line, if someone wants a gun, they will get a gun.

Drugs are illegal in the States, and good God! look at everything you guys smoke, inhale, and inject.

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04-26-2002, 10:17 AM

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remember, nobody NEEDS porn either.....

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04-26-2002, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by jreaka
It will never end....as long as ther is guns there will always that 1 person crazy enough to do shit like this

And if there were no guns the fucker would have brought in a bomb or drove a car thru them.. some people just dont get it. If someone decides to kill someone else, they're gonna fucking do it, with whatever tools they have.

I own a 9mm, revolver, a pile of rifles and even one of those mean nasty assault rifles with a big ass 30 round bannana mag... not one of the fuckers has ever forced me to kill someone. Stop blaming it on guns.
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04-26-2002, 10:26 AM

exactly Evil1.... no guns? there's always chainsaws, axes, wrenches, screwdrivers, baseball bats, needles, chemicals, ink pens, fire, water, burying someone alive or just smashing their skull with the shovel, potato peelers, broken beer bottles, pillows, rope, and on and on and on...... there are billions of ways to kill people. Why the focus is always on guns is a mystery to me.

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04-26-2002, 10:38 AM

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there are billions of ways to kill people. Why the focus is always on guns is a mystery to me.

The reason is that firearms are a very efficient method to kill someone. The most common alternative would be a knife, and if you were in a room full of people, how many could you kill with one? Compare that to the number you could kill with a firearm.

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04-26-2002, 10:43 AM

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if you were in a room full of people, how many could you kill with one?

depends... is the room locked? Probly all of them.

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04-26-2002, 10:45 AM

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The reason is that firearms are a very efficient method to kill someone.

yes.... but there are also much more efficient methods as well. Your room full of people could be even more quickly dispatched with one grenade.

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04-26-2002, 10:46 AM

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The reason is that firearms are a very efficient method to kill someone. The most common alternative would be a knife, and if you were in a room full of people, how many could you kill with one? Compare that to the number you could kill with a firearm.

I could wipe out the whole room so much cleaner with a couple of common household chemicals than with a gun.

Sometimes I wonder how many anti-gun people have actually owned or even touched a gun.

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04-26-2002, 10:47 AM

Start punishing people who commit crimes with guns. If we punished them instead of sending them to country clubs for a few months and letting them back out again, there'd be less people committing crimes with the gun in the first place.

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04-26-2002, 10:50 AM

damn, you have to wear bulletproof vests to go to school these days
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04-26-2002, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I could wipe out the whole room so much cleaner with a couple of common household chemicals than with a gun.

Sometimes I wonder how many anti-gun people have actually owned or even touched a gun.

Ok, next argument...

actually i ain't totally anti-gun,,just that it should be controlled,,,

not everyone should be allowed to have a weapon,,
and also not every kind of gun should be allowed,,,

like i said as long its used for some kinda of recreational purposes,,ie hunting and shooting ranges and such,,,

not for idiots with no proper training that want it just for "PROTECTION",,,i am tired of hearing that crap,,

there the ones that always leave them around loaded for some kid to grab and "PLAY" with it
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04-26-2002, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by playa

actually i ain't totally anti-gun,,just that it should be controlled,,,

I think we all agree with that. It's just the extent of which that creates controversy.

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04-26-2002, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
yes.... but there are also much more efficient methods as well. Your room full of people could be even more quickly dispatched with one grenade.

How often have grenades been used in violent crimes? You could wipe out the entire city with a thermonuclear device, but they aren't all that common, either.

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04-26-2002, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by shunga

How often have grenades been used in violent crimes? You could wipe out the entire city with a thermonuclear device, but they aren't all that common, either.

the point was, guns are not the ultimate in killing efficiency.... there are much more efficient ways to eliminate people, regardless of how many times they may or may not have been actually used. Criminals are generally stupid people who lack creativity, and therefore choose the easiest path: a gun.

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04-26-2002, 11:52 AM

Guys, sure, saying that there will be no murders if there were no guns is oversimplifying things.

But:

It's very much easier to point a gun and pull a trigger, than getting up close and personal and, for instance, sticking a knife in someone, or strangling someone, or beating their brains out with a baseball bat.

Holding a gun makes the killing a very detached, impersonal thing. A kid could do it. A kid just did.
Also, a gun being the efficient killing weapon it is, it's a lot easier to wipe out a whole bunch of people with a gun, than it is with a knife or a baseball bat.

If that kid walked into that school building today with a knife or a baseball bat, there wouldn't have been as many deaths. With a grenade, maybe more, but they aren't that easy to come by.

I grew up in a very violent country, and I grew up with guns. I can handle a gun, but I'm very happy that I now live in a country with strict gun-laws. I have a healthy respect for guns, and a pretty healthy fear as well, because I've seen too many accidents happen.

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04-26-2002, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
the point was, guns are not the ultimate in killing efficiency.... there are much more efficient ways to eliminate people, regardless of how many times they may or may not have been actually used. Criminals are generally stupid people who lack creativity, and therefore choose the easiest path: a gun.

Amp, I would agree with that, but firearms are horrendously efficient at taking human life, and when you put them into a civilian environment, without all the disciplines of the military environment they're made for, they're misused. If firearms were still single shot weapons that took time to reload you could make the case for hunting and self-defence, but the weapons we have today are far too efficient for that.

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04-26-2002, 01:14 PM

if it was me... I'd choose something that makes a statement... like a flamethrower or maybe a hosing device to spray them down with hydrochloric acid.... much more visual impact, and just as efficient.

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