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SEO is not dead. It was hit by a passing truck and has been lying in a ditch.Comment
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Oh yeah, taking advantage by tricking surfers is not so cool if you ask me. Not cool for people who actually want to show surfers something relevant and actually quality. Doing blackhat is not good to overall community, either it was adult or mainstream, it's just bad. Why wouldn't you achieve the same results (and thus more productive) by doing completely white hat stuff? Writing hq unique content and having people actually link to you because you give away quality, not crap.its just a name no need to get carried away over a name..
Some people think porn is disgusting..
Yes i'm proud of the fact i dont let google take advantage of me.. i havent asked them to visit my site, nor to hit my site tens of thousand of times over the last couple days.. perhaps you like getting taken advatage of , i don't
All I have to say about blackhat shit is that I personally hate it and that I'll report to search engines everything I find that looks like spam/blackhat! I'll do my best to shut down (have ses blacklist them) at least few crappy bullshitters around because I do care about surfers and it's not fair for them to do em and serving such shit....
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Sounds like it's similar to Search Engine CloakerComment
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You are in a sandbox Smokey, if they are giving you 3-6+ word keyword phrases (no mater the ranking) that's an automated sandbox.
Question for ya.. You said "i havent asked them to visit my site, nor to hit my site tens of thousand of times over the last couple days".
Does that mean you didn't Verify your site? Really "no bs" if you proxy into a new Google account, verify your site - you don't have to link it from another source to get it listed then, and really you can get listed in less than 24 hours doing it this way. For me it's about not leaving a fingerprint to my other site/network.
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if you ask me stealing my shit isnt cool.. go figure
who says its not relevent ?
the problem here is you misunderstand the term blackhat.. there is no such thing as whitehat seo.. if you seo your blackhat period.
so your implying i give away crap ? stop with the idiotic assumptions. Why dont you start writing hq content and have people link to you because you give away quality content not child porn. Not so funny when the tables are turned is it ? lesson) dont make idiotic asusmptions
your confusing ignorance with hate.
lol they dont even read those things , if it makes you feel better then go for it , but honestly they dont pull site but on the rare occasion.
when you come back to reality let me know.. nobody asked google to list my site, if they choose to list irrelevent things thats THEIR choice... if they choose to steal from me , i will take advantage of it as best i can , meanwhile you let yourself get taken in the ass by google " for the surfers" haha
Google is not your friend. they arent there to "make surfers happy" or to hold your hand , they are there to use you and toss you away
Your so out of whack with what blackhat means you have built this fantasy up about irrelevent content and such, couldnt be farther from the truth..
If you wanna help the surfers out , tell google to stop stealing shit from people, tell them to stop spidering sites unless they have permission.. tell them to read MY smokeybot.txtLast edited by SmokeyTheBear; 03-25-2007, 08:01 AM.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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If you want it improved send me a copy.Alea iacta estComment
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call it the wizard of oz if you want, doesnt really matter the name.. i get rank it doesnt drop . if thats a sandbox then , they can sandbox me all day. i have quadrupled my money so far, so like i said they could completely remove the domain tomorrow , i still make money.
nope havent verified my site, havent asked them shit.
48 hours is fine with me, seems to work well.
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let me ask you a question . If google is showing you for an irrelvent term does that mean your "tricking surfers"
So if you show up on my search engine for something irrelevent your "tricking surfers" and "hurting the industry"..
your a bad bad boy.. shame on you for hurting the industry and tricking surfers.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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sometimes you have to use black hat techiques to get your site listed for RELEVANT keyword.
I have used cloaking to get a better ranking for a keyword, that has lots of spammed links.
ultimately you get to the top of the first page because of fact that my site is relevant to the keyword and the other sites get reported and blacklisted.
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nO it does not mean tricking surfers. But rather than having stupid google or other search engine list your irrelevant stuff. Why would they list you then for irrelevant term if you didn't want to be listed?
I am trying to imply that irrelevant results are very bad and not productive after all and that they do not have to be shown up for certain terms. That's the SEs' fault and webmasters' as well. SEs' because their algos are too stupid to distinguish relevant from irrelevant content and webmasters' to actually show that content and thus gain a lot of traffic. It's of course better to optimize for 100K competition term that will bring you 10x traffic (for irrelevant term) than optimizing a site for 10M+ competition term that wil bring you the same amount of traffic for actual relevant term.
So after all, my point is why would you ever want to show surfers irrelevant content and having them being tricked at all. Surfers (well majority of them) are stupid when it comes to searching and stuff, so they will click to every link that somehow looks ok for them (the link they think they'll find quality inside), and what you do after this redirect them to target site, or serve them doorway pages....
Blackhat is blackhat, seo is not blackhat. It's just trying to have your site in top of results to actually get people visit it and then buy your product. SEO is not stiffing millions of kwds in doorway pages, and doing 'famous' sneaky redirects....it's blackhat.
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I'm sorry but any new site is going to get some SE traffic at the start. It's pretty common knowledge.no they dont
as already mentioned , like that matters.
First off i have been doing this since google began i think i know a bit about sandboxing.. were going on about month6 of my first test script with NO drop in rank.. This new version created 1 signup today = triple my profit for the domain even if google completely banned my domain tomorrow i have already tripled my money, rinse repeat.
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Sounds interesting however Google always lists new domains higher then after a few weeks or months they drop.Comment
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Just because he is listed across many keywords, doesn't mean the page is spam or keyword stuffed, if it is - it probably "is" relevant, and if he does a redirect, it will go to a relevant source. This is about making money with the traffic, not just getting it to burn bw.
You are thinking of straight spam from a person, which can be done with WH or BH. Knowing how to use BH techniques and using them does not mean you are spamming, building doorway pages, or using or redirects. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Correct! But still doing those redirects actually you're playing against the rules, which puts you in bh box. As far as i know ever single search engine states that sneaky redirect that will redirect surfer via javascript (Or any other method) and thus have search engine spider read the page (and not being redirected) is strictly prohibited, hence you're playing against the rules.
I don't give shit if somebody overoptimizes page and gain thousands of links (either they are recips or abc) but actually have surfer see that single page. What I do hate is to see scraper sites that (majority of them) use stolen content, (you know standard copy/past technique, lol) and actually overrank the site they took the content from....that pisses me off! And yeah, I'll send zillions of requests to google if necessary but will fucking have their asses banned!
If you know how to use BH 'technique' you are still not playing by the rules, because you are in fact using it! It would call blackhat if it's not against the rules....or quality guidelines if you like it more
All in all, I hate any form of BH and again will do my best to report everybody and have him banned off the engines!
That's it.
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That is nothing personally of course.... I am just expressing my point of view on those things...
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your asking me why google lists me ? i dont own google , dont ask me.. ask google
bwaha its MY fault google lists me on their site without my permission hahaha
shit i should send out patrols and make sure people dont link to me except when i deem it relevnt. lol what kind of whack nut theory is that ?
you must not have read google own policy .
they arent.. why would i want irrelevent listings ?
surfer looks for dog food , i give them dog food , whats the problem again ?
google disagrees with you in their own policy you should try reading it.
you have alot to learn about seo..
seo is SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION , this would imply your OPTIMIZING your site for GOOGLE or other se's , googles own policy for others is not to do this. ( lets not even get into the fact google has been caught keyword stuffing its own pages to boost relevency - google it if you dont believe me lol )hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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what rules ? you mean google's rules ? umm no i didnt .. google forgot to read my rules. . MY rules implicitly state that se's must get my WRITTEN permission to crawl my site more than 10 times per day , part of MY terms and conditions are that if you spider more than 10 links per day , i will replace your hits with a redirect.
google broke MY rules, i didnt ask nor list google on my site.. nor did i spider their site multiple times..
they agreed to MY rules of agreeing to list my content that way . THEY broke MY rules. i didnt break one single rule of their as their rules were given up the second they broke my rules.
even if you could literally get domains banned 3 days from inception it wouldnt do any good. find an obvious spam site list it here complain and lets see how long it takes
i would rather your honest and misinformed than , a bullshitter and misinformed
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I look at BH as a way to expand your understand of the world you work within. Why limit yourself to viewing everything in one direction, when the other is just as valid of a view. It's your choice to use the techniques which morally bother you, plenty of "tools & ideas" in the BH world are not against any rules or morally problematic.
Learning the vast riches of BH can improve your site design - keyword selection, understanding & use, setting up proper traffic & hosting networks, keeping yourself hidden from prying eyes (like webmasters, competition, and the se's), how to build "legit & legal" backlinks, without spamming. You could use your own produced text, to rebuild, change, duplicate, and republish - using bh techniques, no redirects on content rich pages, for the purpose of getting 1000's of listings.
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Okay, at the end from your posts I can conclude that google actually sucks, no?)
I would kinda agree with that, but they haven't stolen anything from me yet, so I would not blame them for not playing by my rules Smokey, we are not the ones who create the rules, the big G is! Like it or not 
Oh and btw. you can tell the spider not to hit your pages at all....hint, disallow: /
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the problem here is that some people see "blackhat" as a bad thing , when clearly google itself is blackhat
When google and other se's were "opt-in" all this would clearly be a different story. but they arent.. google is "opt-out".
This means unless you ask them to list you , anything they list is done by their own free will , their own choice.
People talk about "googles rules" , umm what about my rules.. where do people get off thinking google gets to make internet rules.. they broke my rules first . my rules state they can fuck the hell off and any rules they have are null and void the second they break my contract , end of story. google is the blackhat , google is scraping my content after being told they arent allowed,
so i'm supposed to feel bad that i redirect their surfers after they repeatedly scrap[e my site thousands of times a day and break my rules..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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don't be so sure..
why would you agree to that.. i certainly dont agree. google does not make the rules , they make THEIR rules i make MY rules. who broke who's rules first ?
they can do the same thing simply by reading my contract , they break the rules.. i havent broken a single rule of theirs.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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