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Old 08-08-2010, 11:23 AM  
Robbie
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Originally Posted by datatank View Post
Robbie you seem to be trying to hang on to your "glory days". Most of the players now have grown up and are no longer in thier 20's and down to live the lifestyle.

As margins get smaller and it actually takes more start up cash to make a dent in this industry. IMO you are going to see alot less handshake "bro" deals being made while getting blowjobs at DirtyDs gloryhole
I am in my glory days right now. But the shows aren't. And I'm not living a "lifestyle". I'm just telling you the truth. Back when there were only a couple of shows the sponsors (including us at a few shows) would put all their "show" resources into them.

Now, there is no way for a sponsor to do that. Just too many shows. So they may be spending 50 grand a year to go to shows...but it's spread out amongst a dozen shows instead of just one or two.

I've never been to Dirty D's glory hole. Not my kind of thing. But I've made lots of money casually discussing things with paysite owners with drinks in our hands and getting to know each other.

You seem to be a little bitter with your "grown up" statements. Got some news for you...handshake deals in strip clubs, restaraunts, etc. are and always have been an important part of making money in every business. And it's usually guys my age and older doing it.

You're also missing the point I'm trying to make while you're busy concentrating on "growing up"...
AFFILIATES. As an affiliate I bust my ass. I don't have a lot of time to walk away from my company. There is literally shit to do 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. But even I need a vacation sometimes.

And so do the thousands of affiliates out there who sit in front of a computer everyday bored to death. Yeah, they promote porn. But do they ever get to see it in real life?

No.

The shows USED to provide that. As an affiliate we were treated like gold at shows. Free drinks. Naked girls ON the show floor (but as I said earlier...they now choose hotels based on kickback money instead of what we need, and there is no nudity at those hotels). Lavish sponsor parties.

These were all designed to do one thing...grab the couple of affiliates you might not have yet, and get MORE traffic from the guys who already promoted you but might only run a gallery or two and never gave you a good push.

And THAT was why affiliates once attended shows in great numbers. It was FUN. It was something to break up the monotony of living in front of a computer screen all day. It was a chance to actually meet and talk to the girls you promoted.

Now the shows are boring. I still make money when I go to them. But not at any "official" event. It's always over a drink. Always.

It's already been said to death...there only need to be two shows a year. And those shows need to give affiliates a reason to be there. If they are going to walk away from their work for a vacation once a year, it's going to be the Bahamas or Jamaica or Mexico IF the shows are nothing but seminars and a half dozen booths with billing processors.

If you think I'm wrong...then you need to go to a show and see for yourself. There is absolutely NOTHING to do there.

What the fuck would an affiliate do at a show if he chose to attend one in 2010?

Nothing. He doesn't need to go to a "seminar". He doesn't need to do "speed networking". He doesn't need to listen to some paysite owner give keynote speeches.

What he wants is to put a face to the name he talks to on ICQ. He wants to have some comradarie that he misses out on by working at home by himself. And he wants to have some FUN. \

And back when the shows provided those things...I always went straight home and put up links to the guys that I made friends with and had crazy times with for a few days. I was re-charged and on fire.

Now? When you get back from the show...you feel like you need to go out to a club and have some fun to break up the fact that you just overpaid for your room, drinks, and food for 3 days and you didn't even see one titty.. lol

I know you are disagreeing with me. And in that case I say...Go to the shows and enjoy the 5 or 6 billing companies that are the only companies with a presence there anymore.

Then honestly ask yourself...if you were an affiliate would you want to be there on your "vacation"? Or would you rather be in Cancun?
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