YAY I can marry now! Prop 8 unconstitutional
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Good, I may not like the smell of ballsack, but I don't fault those who do...Comment
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It would really be wrong if this were about taxesMy inbox just blew up with newsletters on this and it really made my day
PS The only way being married gives someone a tax break is if their spouse makes way less than they do. Otherwise married people are generally in a higher bracket. This is about human rights, not money.
I know that it's not over, this will drag on for a while. I've had my constitutional rights thrown out a few times and I just learned to live with it, our system has a lot of flaws, most are in the political systemI've asked you this rhetorical question before, I'll ask you again: if the voters of any given state voted to outlaw guns in their state, entirely, and a federal court later overturned the law on the basis that it violated the 2nd Amendment, would you have a problem with the court's decision?
Personally, I would not have a problem with the court overruling the voters in that hypothetical, because the court would be quite right, based not only on a reasonable interpretation of the plain language of the 2nd Amendment, but upon the prevailing federal case law that governs this area of jurisprudence.
It works the same way with the 14th Amendment. If you read this judge's opinion, you'll find that he did not just pull this out of his ass; it is founded upon a very well reasoned reading of the 14th Amendment, and a HEAP of case law, including Loving v. Virginia, a case that a lot Constitutional scholars have long pointed to as the eventual undoing of the prohibition of same sex marriage.
Having said all that... this isn't over. From here, the case will move on to the 9th Circuit for review, and regardless of which side wins, the losing side will then petition the Supreme Court for certorari.
This should not be objectionable to you in the least, my good man... it is simply how our system of Constitutional law works.
IMO, it is a fine system.... right up there with the best the world has to offer.
Do you really think I give a shit about anything that bitch is doing or has done? I don't care about the politics of this, I really don't. What I care about is someone whined and got a vote thrown out, I can only hope it gets changed in superior court, I like to know my vote means something. This is just like prop 187
LOL, Most people shouldn't get married, now if I'm dating someone and my daughter has say if I keep them or not, if she doesn't like her, out the door she goes, keeps me safe, Really confussed my last G/F, LMAOCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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That's the beauty of moronic liberals. When someone doesn't agree with them, they're either racist, bigots, or religious fanatics. The insecurity and amount of rationalization that goes into these pseudo thoughts is hilarious.Greed is Good
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Just like how when someone doesn't agree with the right wingnuts, they're socialists, marxists, commies, or anti-american terrorists. The schizophrenic paranoia and herd mentality that drives those knuckle-dragging thoughts is equally hilarious.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Ah I forgot the "right wing nuts". Thanks for proving my point
LOL@Herd Mentality. Do you even bother thinking when you type? Claiming that it's the RIGHT that has the herd mentality would equate to one hell of an ironic statement.
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With the divorce rate being what it is with hetero marriage for a long time, they should have been saying "I now pronounce you future ex-husband and future ex-wife." That's what's so hilarious about the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument...WHAT sanctity?Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.Comment
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But you don't think the divorce rate makes a mockery of marriage in general? Don't those morons who rush to marry make marriage look like a shitty excuse for long-term commitment? No, right? Because people who actually legitimately use marriage for the purposes it was originally intended for shouldn't care about what other people do. Like gays and lesbians marrying.Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.Comment
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You're using today's divorce rate for the entire concept of marriage. 50 years ago the divorce rate was much lower. In Judaism, it's around 2%. So marriage isn't the problem. I would love more stringent rules on marriage for everybody. What I don't agree with is same sex marriages. Nevermind the fact that there's nothing natural about homosexuality, but marriage has always and will always be defined as an agreement between a man and a woman. That won't change anytime soon, you'll see the Supreme Court's decision.But you don't think the divorce rate makes a mockery of marriage in general? Don't those morons who rush to marry make marriage look like a shitty excuse for long-term commitment? No, right? Because people who actually legitimately use marriage for the purposes it was originally intended for shouldn't care about what other people do. Like gays and lesbians marrying.Greed is Good
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IT depends on how you interpret the constitution. In any case, if you're citing the constitution as your main argument for same sex marriages, realize it would never have happened under the founding fathers.Greed is Good
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You give the founding fathers too much credit. They weren't psychic. If the world was still the way they made it and allowed, women wouldn't be able to vote and slavery would be legal. Blacks would be worth less than whites, etc... Civil rights in some of our lifetime changed all that. We should put this right too.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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this is great. now gays can suffer through marriage just like straight people!Image content management -- self-promoting image site script.
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the word marriage scares me
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What's the problem if Gays want to get married?
So if some bible toting State decided to imprison all non Christians that would be fine?Originally posted by VendzillaI don't know anything about this judge, but I have a problem with having something overturned by one person that got a majority vote,twice, it allows for corruption of power.
Or a Southern State voting slavery back in?Comment
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I've asked you this rhetorical question before, I'll ask you again: if the voters of any given state voted to outlaw guns in their state, entirely, and a federal court later overturned the law on the basis that it violated the 2nd Amendment, would you have a problem with the court's decision?
Personally, I would not have a problem with the court overruling the voters in that hypothetical, because the court would be quite right, based not only on a reasonable interpretation of the plain language of the 2nd Amendment, but upon the prevailing federal case law that governs this area of jurisprudence.
It works the same way with the 14th Amendment. If you read this judge's opinion, you'll find that he did not just pull this out of his ass; it is founded upon a very well reasoned reading of the 14th Amendment, and a HEAP of case law, including Loving v. Virginia, a case that a lot Constitutional scholars have long pointed to as the eventual undoing of the prohibition of same sex marriage.
Having said all that... this isn't over. From here, the case will move on to the 9th Circuit for review, and regardless of which side wins, the losing side will then petition the Supreme Court for certorari.
This should not be objectionable to you in the least, my good man... it is simply how our system of Constitutional law works.
IMO, it is a fine system.... right up there with the best the world has to offer.
I agree. I support Prop 8 in theory but judicial review is an important part of the process to avoid a tyranny of the majority. This issue needs to be settled by the Supreme Court.бабки, шлюхи, силаComment
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Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that exactly why we have separation of powers? Because an idea(l) is popular does not always make it right. In this country, to my (sometimes lack of) understanding we have an executive branch to make decisions, a legislative branch to tell us what "everyone" thinks of these decisions and provide corrections, and a judicial branch to correct "everyone" when it becomes unpopular and further correct.
It's a flawed system, but it's what we've got, and I personally approve of basic rights being upheld EOD, such as in cases presented like this.
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They wrote the constitution. You said we should follow the constitution. I love it how the only argument someone can bring up against a same sex ban is "Well we had slavery and found out that was wrong!!!" Just because we made some mistakes in the past doesn't mean we're making a mistake now. What's right is to give homosexuals civil unions, and to keep marriage defined as being between a man and woman.You give the founding fathers too much credit. They weren't psychic. If the world was still the way they made it and allowed, women wouldn't be able to vote and slavery would be legal. Blacks would be worth less than whites, etc... Civil rights in some of our lifetime changed all that. We should put this right too.Greed is Good
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Wrong. Maybe you should learn the history of marriage licenses. Our founding fathers had NO marriage licenses. Anyone could marry anyone. OMG even blacks could marry whites!Last edited by IllTestYourGirls; 08-05-2010, 06:17 AM.
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there is no denying that prop 8 passed due to people's religious beliefs, especially mormons.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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There's absolutely no proof of that. It's an argument liberals definitely love to use because they need to blame religion while focusing on relativism.
And I'm not wrong regarding the constitution. What you said was right in theory, but it would have never been allowed by the founding fathers, which was the point.Greed is Good
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the idea of marriage wont be as appealing once you stand in divorce court for the first time...Comment
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Proposition 8 was designed to confuse people...it impacts us all.I am NOT Godaddy! Most excellent Domains & Cheap Hosting
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I guess you mised the mormon's huge campaign for prop8.There's absolutely no proof of that. It's an argument liberals definitely love to use because they need to blame religion while focusing on relativism.
And I'm not wrong regarding the constitution. What you said was right in theory, but it would have never been allowed by the founding fathers, which was the point.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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lol .... bla bla bla ....You're using today's divorce rate for the entire concept of marriage. 50 years ago the divorce rate was much lower. In Judaism, it's around 2%. So marriage isn't the problem. I would love more stringent rules on marriage for everybody. What I don't agree with is same sex marriages. Nevermind the fact that there's nothing natural about homosexuality, but marriage has always and will always be defined as an agreement between a man and a woman. That won't change anytime soon, you'll see the Supreme Court's decision.
Variation in divorce rates by religion:
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
must be a "liberal" source ...I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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Obviously it is not as cut and dried as that. Many observers believe the ruling will be overturned by the Supreme Court. There are lots of gray areas when it comes to "rights" and this is certainly one of them. Even when it involved a clearly defined right like the right to bear arms there was much debate over the meaning of the right and uncertainty about the way the court would decide. This case is not nearly as clear cut as that one and there is plenty of uncertainty about the final outcome.
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This is pretty 'cut and dried':Obviously it is not as cut and dried as that. Many observers believe the ruling will be overturned by the Supreme Court. There are lots of gray areas when it comes to "rights" and this is certainly one of them. Even when it involved a clearly defined right like the right to bear arms there was much debate over the meaning of the right and uncertainty about the way the court would decide. This case is not nearly as clear cut as that one and there is plenty of uncertainty about the final outcome.
Supreme Court must uphold. This isn't about gun control. This is about a certain group of people's basic rights guaranteed by the Constitution. You don't get to vote on that, no matter how homophobic someone may be.Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Think that it gives one person too much power when they can over turn a vote from the majority that has happened two times
Apples and Oranges, this is rewriting the meaning of what marriage is
You only bring up guns because you know how I feel about them, most people that are against guns have never fired one. I had some of my best first dates going to a firing range and one of the people I shoot with is a lesbian
he was appointed by a conservative and he's gay, but then you're use to being wrong aren't you?Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Yeah well he applied strict scrutiny:
Although Proposition 8 fails to possess even a rational basis, the evidence presented at trial shows that gays and lesbians are the type of minority strict scrutiny was designed to protect.“The minimal evidentiary presentation made by proponents does not meet the heavy burden of production necessary to show that Proposition 8 is narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest. Proposition 8 cannot, therefore, withstand strict scrutiny.”I am NOT Godaddy! Most excellent Domains & Cheap Hosting
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1. Again, "the people" don't get to vote on basic rights provided by the constitution. It never should have been a vote in the first place.
2. That's why we have a judicial branch. Not just to put criminals in prison, but to challenge retarded laws that were voted on by the people (the majority voting on protected rights for a minority group) and laws that were poorly conceived by legislators. That's why it's called "checks & balances". The system worked exactly as it's supposed to.SIG TOO BIGComment
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I agree. Its so ironic that the majority of people that call for "smaller government" also push for more imposing government regulations. We live in a land of contradiction.
Personally, I think the word marriage should be taken out of the arguement completely and everyone wanting to bond themselves to another individual should be documented as a "civil union"- hetero and same sex couples alike. So for instance you don't apply for a marriage license, you apply for a civil union license, etc. It's up to the couple if they want to call it marriage or not. Religion should be taken completely out of the equasion.Comment
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Sorry to burst your bubble but "marriage" has had many incarnations throughout history, culture and civilization.
It continues to be "rewritten" as man evolves.I am NOT Godaddy! Most excellent Domains & Cheap Hosting
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I'm absolutely down for this. Get rid of that word altogether. It's attached to religion anyway. There needs to be a neutral legal process.I agree. Its so ironic that the majority of people that call for "smaller government" also push for more imposing government regulations. We live in a land of contradiction.
Personally, I think the word marriage should be taken out of the arguement completely and everyone wanting to bond themselves to another individual should be documented as a "civil union"- hetero and same sex couples alike. So for instance you don't apply for a marriage license, you apply for a civil union license, etc. It's up to the couple if they want to call it marriage or not. Religion should be taken completely out of the equasion.SIG TOO BIGComment





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