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  • AmeliaG
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    • Jan 2003
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    #51
    Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
    Honestly don't know why the gays didn't just invent a religion of their own years ago. If you have a "religion", you can do whatever you want. Look at the Mormons, Christians, Jehovah Witnesses, etc.... they can even come and irritate you right at your front door... on Sunday... during the Superbowl.... while you're eating.... and it's perfectly legal, and you can't even kill them. They have political pull, are tax exempt, can marry or fuck anyone (or anything) they want....

    The gays really dropped the ball on that one. One simple gay "church" would've stopped Prop 8 in it's tracks: "Religious freedom" and all.

    Honestly, I think the Mormons are so pissy about gay marriage because their own religion's form of marriage is not recognized by American law as legit.
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    • _Richard_
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      • Oct 2006
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      #52
      Originally posted by The Demon
      Extremely conservative? He's openly gay, how the hell can he be extremely conservative? Or are you full of shit as usual?
      turns out lots of extremely conservative people are gay

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      • Sergio Payingsolutions
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        #53
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        • Vendzilla
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          • Mar 2004
          • 23200

          #54
          Originally posted by AmeliaG
          My inbox just blew up with newsletters on this and it really made my day

          PS The only way being married gives someone a tax break is if their spouse makes way less than they do. Otherwise married people are generally in a higher bracket. This is about human rights, not money.
          It would really be wrong if this were about taxes

          Originally posted by Quentin
          I've asked you this rhetorical question before, I'll ask you again: if the voters of any given state voted to outlaw guns in their state, entirely, and a federal court later overturned the law on the basis that it violated the 2nd Amendment, would you have a problem with the court's decision?

          Personally, I would not have a problem with the court overruling the voters in that hypothetical, because the court would be quite right, based not only on a reasonable interpretation of the plain language of the 2nd Amendment, but upon the prevailing federal case law that governs this area of jurisprudence.

          It works the same way with the 14th Amendment. If you read this judge's opinion, you'll find that he did not just pull this out of his ass; it is founded upon a very well reasoned reading of the 14th Amendment, and a HEAP of case law, including Loving v. Virginia, a case that a lot Constitutional scholars have long pointed to as the eventual undoing of the prohibition of same sex marriage.

          Having said all that... this isn't over. From here, the case will move on to the 9th Circuit for review, and regardless of which side wins, the losing side will then petition the Supreme Court for certorari.

          This should not be objectionable to you in the least, my good man... it is simply how our system of Constitutional law works.

          IMO, it is a fine system.... right up there with the best the world has to offer.
          I know that it's not over, this will drag on for a while. I've had my constitutional rights thrown out a few times and I just learned to live with it, our system has a lot of flaws, most are in the political system

          Originally posted by _Richard_
          "House Democrats, led by Rep. Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco, opposed his nomination because of his alleged "insensitivity" to gays and the poor."
          Do you really think I give a shit about anything that bitch is doing or has done? I don't care about the politics of this, I really don't. What I care about is someone whined and got a vote thrown out, I can only hope it gets changed in superior court, I like to know my vote means something. This is just like prop 187

          Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
          I agree. We should have a public vote on whether or not straight people can marry each other too.
          LOL, Most people shouldn't get married, now if I'm dating someone and my daughter has say if I keep them or not, if she doesn't like her, out the door she goes, keeps me safe, Really confussed my last G/F, LMAO
          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
          think about that

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          • mainkey
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            #55
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            • The Demon
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              • Apr 2003
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              #56
              Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
              No, if there weren't paranoid religious fanatics quoting the bible every two seconds and predicting (fear mongering) the downfall of humanity through homos, this wouldn't be an issue.
              That's the beauty of moronic liberals. When someone doesn't agree with them, they're either racist, bigots, or religious fanatics. The insecurity and amount of rationalization that goes into these pseudo thoughts is hilarious.
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              • Amputate Your Head
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                • Aug 2001
                • 39075

                #57
                Originally posted by The Demon
                That's the beauty of moronic liberals. When someone doesn't agree with them, they're either racist, bigots, or religious fanatics. The insecurity and amount of rationalization that goes into these pseudo thoughts is hilarious.
                Just like how when someone doesn't agree with the right wingnuts, they're socialists, marxists, commies, or anti-american terrorists. The schizophrenic paranoia and herd mentality that drives those knuckle-dragging thoughts is equally hilarious.
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                • Agent 488
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                  • Feb 2006
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                  #58
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                  • The Demon
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                    • Apr 2003
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                    Just like how when someone doesn't agree with the right wingnuts, they're socialists, marxists, commies, or anti-american terrorists. The schizophrenic paranoia and herd mentality that drives those knuckle-dragging thoughts is equally hilarious.
                    Ah I forgot the "right wing nuts". Thanks for proving my point

                    LOL@Herd Mentality. Do you even bother thinking when you type? Claiming that it's the RIGHT that has the herd mentality would equate to one hell of an ironic statement.
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                    • PornMD
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                      • Jan 2007
                      • 9291

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                      Are the titles husband and wife not politically correct now?
                      With the divorce rate being what it is with hetero marriage for a long time, they should have been saying "I now pronounce you future ex-husband and future ex-wife." That's what's so hilarious about the whole "sanctity of marriage" argument...WHAT sanctity?
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                      • The Demon
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                        • Apr 2003
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                        #61
                        Don't blame that on marriage, blame it on the morons who think they are ready and know the person well enough.
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                        • Brujah
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                          • Jan 2001
                          • 22157

                          #62
                          Vendzilla, what's more important to you? A modern majority vote, or upholding the constitution? Should the judge have ruled differently and went with the voters instead of the constitution?

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                          • PornMD
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                            • Jan 2007
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                            #63
                            Originally posted by The Demon
                            Don't blame that on marriage, blame it on the morons who think they are ready and know the person well enough.
                            But you don't think the divorce rate makes a mockery of marriage in general? Don't those morons who rush to marry make marriage look like a shitty excuse for long-term commitment? No, right? Because people who actually legitimately use marriage for the purposes it was originally intended for shouldn't care about what other people do. Like gays and lesbians marrying.
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                            • The Demon
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                              • Apr 2003
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                              #64
                              Originally posted by PornMD
                              But you don't think the divorce rate makes a mockery of marriage in general? Don't those morons who rush to marry make marriage look like a shitty excuse for long-term commitment? No, right? Because people who actually legitimately use marriage for the purposes it was originally intended for shouldn't care about what other people do. Like gays and lesbians marrying.
                              You're using today's divorce rate for the entire concept of marriage. 50 years ago the divorce rate was much lower. In Judaism, it's around 2%. So marriage isn't the problem. I would love more stringent rules on marriage for everybody. What I don't agree with is same sex marriages. Nevermind the fact that there's nothing natural about homosexuality, but marriage has always and will always be defined as an agreement between a man and a woman. That won't change anytime soon, you'll see the Supreme Court's decision.
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                              • The Demon
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                                #65
                                Originally posted by Brujah
                                Vendzilla, what's more important to you? A modern majority vote, or upholding the constitution? Should the judge have ruled differently and went with the voters instead of the constitution?
                                IT depends on how you interpret the constitution. In any case, if you're citing the constitution as your main argument for same sex marriages, realize it would never have happened under the founding fathers.
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                                • DateDoc
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                                  • Feb 2005
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                                  #66
                                  Long ways to go yet. This case is destined for the US Supreme Court.

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                                  • Agent 488
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                                    • Feb 2006
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                                    #67
                                    demon just finished his shift at wendy's and had a bad day. watch out.

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                                    • brassmonkey
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                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by _Richard_
                                      turns out lots of extremely conservative people are gay
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                                      • Brujah
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                                        • Jan 2001
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by The Demon
                                        IT depends on how you interpret the constitution. In any case, if you're citing the constitution as your main argument for same sex marriages, realize it would never have happened under the founding fathers.
                                        You give the founding fathers too much credit. They weren't psychic. If the world was still the way they made it and allowed, women wouldn't be able to vote and slavery would be legal. Blacks would be worth less than whites, etc... Civil rights in some of our lifetime changed all that. We should put this right too.

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                                        • arschloch
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                                          #70
                                          this is great. now gays can suffer through marriage just like straight people!
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                                          • PornMD
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                                            • Jan 2007
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                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by arschloch
                                            this is great. now gays can suffer through marriage just like straight people!
                                            Exactly.
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                                              #72
                                              the word marriage scares me
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                                              • Paul Markham
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                                                • Jun 2001
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                                                #73
                                                What's the problem if Gays want to get married?

                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                I don't know anything about this judge, but I have a problem with having something overturned by one person that got a majority vote,twice, it allows for corruption of power.
                                                So if some bible toting State decided to imprison all non Christians that would be fine?

                                                Or a Southern State voting slavery back in?



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                                                • Brujah
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                  What's the problem if Gays want to get married?



                                                  So if some bible toting State decided to imprison all non Christians that would be fine?

                                                  Or a Southern State voting slavery back in?
                                                  Or a city (Chicago) outlawing guns?

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                                                  • cykoe6
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                                                    • Apr 2005
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                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by Quentin
                                                    I've asked you this rhetorical question before, I'll ask you again: if the voters of any given state voted to outlaw guns in their state, entirely, and a federal court later overturned the law on the basis that it violated the 2nd Amendment, would you have a problem with the court's decision?

                                                    Personally, I would not have a problem with the court overruling the voters in that hypothetical, because the court would be quite right, based not only on a reasonable interpretation of the plain language of the 2nd Amendment, but upon the prevailing federal case law that governs this area of jurisprudence.

                                                    It works the same way with the 14th Amendment. If you read this judge's opinion, you'll find that he did not just pull this out of his ass; it is founded upon a very well reasoned reading of the 14th Amendment, and a HEAP of case law, including Loving v. Virginia, a case that a lot Constitutional scholars have long pointed to as the eventual undoing of the prohibition of same sex marriage.

                                                    Having said all that... this isn't over. From here, the case will move on to the 9th Circuit for review, and regardless of which side wins, the losing side will then petition the Supreme Court for certorari.

                                                    This should not be objectionable to you in the least, my good man... it is simply how our system of Constitutional law works.

                                                    IMO, it is a fine system.... right up there with the best the world has to offer.

                                                    I agree. I support Prop 8 in theory but judicial review is an important part of the process to avoid a tyranny of the majority. This issue needs to be settled by the Supreme Court.
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                                                    • munki
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                                                      • Dec 2004
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                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                      I don't know anything about this judge, but I have a problem with having something overturned by one person that got a majority vote,twice, it allows for corruption of power.
                                                      Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but isn't that exactly why we have separation of powers? Because an idea(l) is popular does not always make it right. In this country, to my (sometimes lack of) understanding we have an executive branch to make decisions, a legislative branch to tell us what "everyone" thinks of these decisions and provide corrections, and a judicial branch to correct "everyone" when it becomes unpopular and further correct.

                                                      It's a flawed system, but it's what we've got, and I personally approve of basic rights being upheld EOD, such as in cases presented like this.

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                                                      • The Demon
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                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by Brujah
                                                        You give the founding fathers too much credit. They weren't psychic. If the world was still the way they made it and allowed, women wouldn't be able to vote and slavery would be legal. Blacks would be worth less than whites, etc... Civil rights in some of our lifetime changed all that. We should put this right too.
                                                        They wrote the constitution. You said we should follow the constitution. I love it how the only argument someone can bring up against a same sex ban is "Well we had slavery and found out that was wrong!!!" Just because we made some mistakes in the past doesn't mean we're making a mistake now. What's right is to give homosexuals civil unions, and to keep marriage defined as being between a man and woman.
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                                                        • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                          • Feb 2007
                                                          • 14311

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by The Demon
                                                          IT depends on how you interpret the constitution. In any case, if you're citing the constitution as your main argument for same sex marriages, realize it would never have happened under the founding fathers.
                                                          Wrong. Maybe you should learn the history of marriage licenses. Our founding fathers had NO marriage licenses. Anyone could marry anyone. OMG even blacks could marry whites!
                                                          Last edited by IllTestYourGirls; 08-05-2010, 06:17 AM.

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                                                          • CaptainHowdy
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                                                            • Dec 2004
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                                                            #79
                                                            What an awful thing marriage is!

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                                                            • BlackCrayon
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                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by The Demon
                                                              That's the beauty of moronic liberals. When someone doesn't agree with them, they're either racist, bigots, or religious fanatics. The insecurity and amount of rationalization that goes into these pseudo thoughts is hilarious.
                                                              there is no denying that prop 8 passed due to people's religious beliefs, especially mormons.
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                                                              • The Demon
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                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                                there is no denying that prop 8 passed due to people's religious beliefs, especially mormons.
                                                                There's absolutely no proof of that. It's an argument liberals definitely love to use because they need to blame religion while focusing on relativism.

                                                                And I'm not wrong regarding the constitution. What you said was right in theory, but it would have never been allowed by the founding fathers, which was the point.
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                                                                • directfiesta
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                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                  I don't know anything about this judge, .
                                                                  ... but he must be a liberal ...
                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                    #83
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                                                                    • DaddyHalbucks
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                                                                      #84
                                                                      Gays should be allowed to marry. It is good public policy.
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                                                                      • The Demon
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                                                                        #85
                                                                        Yup because everybody is equal. There's no difference between a heterosexual couple and a homosexual couple, none whatsoever!
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                                                                        • HeatWaveShawna
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                                                                          #86
                                                                          the idea of marriage wont be as appealing once you stand in divorce court for the first time...
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                                                                          • directfiesta
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                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                            demon just finished his shift at wendy's and had a bad day. watch out.


                                                                            will leave soon for his janitorial shift at Taco Bell ...

                                                                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                            • gumdrop
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                                                                              #88
                                                                              Proposition 8 was designed to confuse people...it impacts us all.
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                                                                              • BlackCrayon
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                                                                                #89
                                                                                Originally posted by The Demon
                                                                                There's absolutely no proof of that. It's an argument liberals definitely love to use because they need to blame religion while focusing on relativism.

                                                                                And I'm not wrong regarding the constitution. What you said was right in theory, but it would have never been allowed by the founding fathers, which was the point.
                                                                                I guess you mised the mormon's huge campaign for prop8.
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                                                                                • directfiesta
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                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by The Demon
                                                                                  You're using today's divorce rate for the entire concept of marriage. 50 years ago the divorce rate was much lower. In Judaism, it's around 2%. So marriage isn't the problem. I would love more stringent rules on marriage for everybody. What I don't agree with is same sex marriages. Nevermind the fact that there's nothing natural about homosexuality, but marriage has always and will always be defined as an agreement between a man and a woman. That won't change anytime soon, you'll see the Supreme Court's decision.
                                                                                  lol .... bla bla bla ....

                                                                                  Variation in divorce rates by religion:

                                                                                  Jews 30%
                                                                                  Born-again Christians 27%
                                                                                  Other Christians 24%
                                                                                  Atheists, Agnostics 21%


                                                                                  http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm


                                                                                  must be a "liberal" source ...
                                                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                  • Amputate Your Head
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                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                    • 39075

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by The Demon
                                                                                    That won't change anytime soon, you'll see the Supreme Court's decision.
                                                                                    Ummm, it changed yesterday brainiac. Supreme Court will uphold because you don't vote on rights. That's why they're called 'rights'. Try read the 14th amendment sometime genius.
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                                                                                    • cykoe6
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                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                                                      Ummm, it changed yesterday brainiac. Supreme Court will uphold because you don't vote on rights. That's why they're called 'rights'. Try read the 14th amendment sometime genius.
                                                                                      Obviously it is not as cut and dried as that. Many observers believe the ruling will be overturned by the Supreme Court. There are lots of gray areas when it comes to "rights" and this is certainly one of them. Even when it involved a clearly defined right like the right to bear arms there was much debate over the meaning of the right and uncertainty about the way the court would decide. This case is not nearly as clear cut as that one and there is plenty of uncertainty about the final outcome.
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                                                                                      • Amputate Your Head
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                                                                                        • 39075

                                                                                        #93
                                                                                        Originally posted by cykoe6
                                                                                        Obviously it is not as cut and dried as that. Many observers believe the ruling will be overturned by the Supreme Court. There are lots of gray areas when it comes to "rights" and this is certainly one of them. Even when it involved a clearly defined right like the right to bear arms there was much debate over the meaning of the right and uncertainty about the way the court would decide. This case is not nearly as clear cut as that one and there is plenty of uncertainty about the final outcome.
                                                                                        This is pretty 'cut and dried':

                                                                                        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
                                                                                        Supreme Court must uphold. This isn't about gun control. This is about a certain group of people's basic rights guaranteed by the Constitution. You don't get to vote on that, no matter how homophobic someone may be.
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                                                                                        • Vendzilla
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                                                                                          #94
                                                                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                          Vendzilla, what's more important to you? A modern majority vote, or upholding the constitution? Should the judge have ruled differently and went with the voters instead of the constitution?
                                                                                          Think that it gives one person too much power when they can over turn a vote from the majority that has happened two times

                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                          What's the problem if Gays want to get married?



                                                                                          So if some bible toting State decided to imprison all non Christians that would be fine?

                                                                                          Or a Southern State voting slavery back in?
                                                                                          Apples and Oranges, this is rewriting the meaning of what marriage is

                                                                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                          Or a city (Chicago) outlawing guns?
                                                                                          You only bring up guns because you know how I feel about them, most people that are against guns have never fired one. I had some of my best first dates going to a firing range and one of the people I shoot with is a lesbian

                                                                                          Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                                                          ... but he must be a liberal ...
                                                                                          he was appointed by a conservative and he's gay, but then you're use to being wrong aren't you?
                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                          • gumdrop
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                                                                                            #95
                                                                                            Yeah well he applied strict scrutiny:
                                                                                            Although Proposition 8 fails to possess even a rational basis, the evidence presented at trial shows that gays and lesbians are the type of minority strict scrutiny was designed to protect.
                                                                                            “The minimal evidentiary presentation made by proponents does not meet the heavy burden of production necessary to show that Proposition 8 is narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest. Proposition 8 cannot, therefore, withstand strict scrutiny.”
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                                                                                            • Amputate Your Head
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                                                                                              #96
                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                              Think that it gives one person too much power when they can over turn a vote from the majority that has happened two times
                                                                                              1. Again, "the people" don't get to vote on basic rights provided by the constitution. It never should have been a vote in the first place.

                                                                                              2. That's why we have a judicial branch. Not just to put criminals in prison, but to challenge retarded laws that were voted on by the people (the majority voting on protected rights for a minority group) and laws that were poorly conceived by legislators. That's why it's called "checks & balances". The system worked exactly as it's supposed to.
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                                                                                              • ShellyCrash
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                                                                                                • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                #97
                                                                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                I dont think the government should have the right to tell you who you can marry. If there were smaller government this would not even be an issue
                                                                                                I agree. Its so ironic that the majority of people that call for "smaller government" also push for more imposing government regulations. We live in a land of contradiction.

                                                                                                Personally, I think the word marriage should be taken out of the arguement completely and everyone wanting to bond themselves to another individual should be documented as a "civil union"- hetero and same sex couples alike. So for instance you don't apply for a marriage license, you apply for a civil union license, etc. It's up to the couple if they want to call it marriage or not. Religion should be taken completely out of the equasion.

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                                                                                                • gumdrop
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                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                  #98
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                  Think that it gives one person too much power when they can over turn a vote from the majority that has happened two times



                                                                                                  Apples and Oranges, this is rewriting the meaning of what marriage is


                                                                                                  Sorry to burst your bubble but "marriage" has had many incarnations throughout history, culture and civilization.

                                                                                                  It continues to be "rewritten" as man evolves.
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                                                                                                  • Agent 488
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                                                                                                    • Feb 2006
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                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                    Originally posted by gumdrop
                                                                                                    Sorry to burst your bubble but "marriage" has had many incarnations throughout history, culture and civilization.

                                                                                                    It continues to be "rewritten" as man evolves.
                                                                                                    no it's only what small minded trash are able to conceive it to be.

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                                                                                                    • Amputate Your Head
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                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                      #100
                                                                                                      Originally posted by ShellyCrash
                                                                                                      I agree. Its so ironic that the majority of people that call for "smaller government" also push for more imposing government regulations. We live in a land of contradiction.

                                                                                                      Personally, I think the word marriage should be taken out of the arguement completely and everyone wanting to bond themselves to another individual should be documented as a "civil union"- hetero and same sex couples alike. So for instance you don't apply for a marriage license, you apply for a civil union license, etc. It's up to the couple if they want to call it marriage or not. Religion should be taken completely out of the equasion.
                                                                                                      I'm absolutely down for this. Get rid of that word altogether. It's attached to religion anyway. There needs to be a neutral legal process.
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