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  • Rochard
    Jägermeister Test Pilot
    • Dec 2001
    • 75762

    #1

    Holy Cow: U.S. judge blocks 1998 online porn law

    While I believe we need to protect children from seeing porn, I've said time and time again that parents (and lawmakers) should be much more concerned about more dangerous things on the Internet. Seems like finally one Judge gets it.

    From Yahoo News

    PHILADELPHIA - A federal judge on Thursday dealt another blow to government efforts to control Internet pornography, striking down a 1998 U.S. law that makes it a crime for commercial Web site operators to let children access "harmful" material.

    In the ruling, the judge said parents can protect their children through software filters and other less restrictive means that do not limit the rights of others to free speech.

    "Perhaps we do the minors of this country harm if First Amendment protections, which they will with age inherit fully, are chipped away in the name of their protection," wrote Senior U.S. District Judge Lowell Reed Jr., who presided over a four-week trial last fall.

    The law would have criminalized Web sites that allow children to access material deemed "harmful to minors" by "contemporary community standards." The sites would have been expected to require a credit card number or other proof of age. Penalties included a $50,000 fine and up to six months in prison.

    Sexual health sites, the online magazine Salon.com and other Web sites backed by the American Civil Liberties Union challenged the law. They argued that the Child Online Protection Act was unconstitutionally vague and would have had a chilling effect on speech.

    The U.S. Supreme Court upheld a temporary injunction in 2004 on grounds the law was likely to be struck down and was perhaps outdated.

    Technology experts said parents now have more serious concerns than Web sites with pornography. For instance, the threat of online predators has caused worries among parents whose children use social-networking sites such as News Corp.'s MySpace.

    The case sparked a legal firestorm last year when Google challenged a Justice Department subpoena seeking information on what people search for online. Government lawyers had asked Google to turn over 1 million random Web addresses and a week's worth of Google search queries.

    A judge sharply limited the scope of the subpoena, which Google had fought on trade secret, not privacy, grounds.

    To defend the nine-year-old Child Online Protection Act, government lawyers attacked software filters as burdensome and less effective, even though they have previously defended their use in public schools and libraries.

    "It is not reasonable for the government to expect all parents to shoulder the burden to cut off every possible source of adult content for their children, rather than the government's addressing the problem at its source," a government attorney, Peter D. Keisler, argued in a post-trial brief.

    Critics of the law argued that filters work best because they let parents set limits based on their own values and their child's age.

    The law addressed material accessed by children under 17, but applied only to content hosted in the United States.

    The Web sites that challenged the law said fear of prosecution might lead them to shut down or move their operations offshore, beyond the reach of the U.S. law. They also said the Justice Department could do more to enforce obscenity laws already on the books.

    The 1998 law followed Congress' unsuccessful 1996 effort to ban online pornography. The Supreme Court in 1997 deemed key portions of that law unconstitutional because it was too vague and trampled on adults' rights.

    The newer law narrowed the restrictions to commercial Web sites and defined indecency more specifically.

    In 2000, Congress passed a law requiring schools and libraries to use software filters if they receive certain federal funds. The high court upheld that law in 2003.
    Herschel Savage
    Brooklyn, NY
  • munki
    Do Fun Shit.
    • Dec 2004
    • 13393

    #2

    I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the best.” -Oscar Wilde

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    • Phoenix
      BACON BACON BACON
      • Nov 2002
      • 35475

      #3
      its about time parents should be held responsible for bringing up their children


      imagine you can easily put ona content filter or website filter to keep your kids away from adult sites..yet they do nothing and scream bloody murder when shit goes wrong.

      dont worry parents just turn on barney and you dont have to do anything

      lazy
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      • crockett
        in a van by the river
        • May 2003
        • 76818

        #4
        That's good to hear.
        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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        • Brooke Anderson
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          • Jan 2006
          • 346

          #5
          Great, at last we can quote somebody as understand what its all about.

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          • Big_Red
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            • Jun 2006
            • 4147

            #6
            Someone with power actually understands. I am stunned.
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            • Sarah_Jayne
              Now with more Jayne
              • Dec 2002
              • 40077

              #7
              at last a bit of a positive result

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              • born
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2001
                • 588

                #8
                Thanks for the post...

                b-

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                • psychomantis
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 27

                  #9
                  YAY! That makes me happy. I'm glad that someone finally sees that it's the parents responsibility to keep children away from adult things. Duh.
                  Njoy!

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                  • ElvisManson
                    Looking California
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 5476

                    #10
                    Looks like the government was using the excuse that parents are not responsible enough to look after their own kids, therefore they should go after the evil porno people..


                    "To defend the nine-year-old Child Online Protection Act, government lawyers attacked software filters as burdensome and less effective, even though they have previously defended their use in public schools and libraries.

                    "It is not reasonable for the government to expect all parents to shoulder the burden to cut off every possible source of adult content for their children, rather than the government's addressing the problem at its source," a government attorney, Peter D. Keisler, argued in a post-trial brief.

                    Critics of the law argued that filters work best because they let parents set limits based on their own values and their child's age"

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                    • Buzz
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                      • Apr 2004
                      • 1908

                      #11
                      A drop of Common Sense in the ocean of American Hypocrisy

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                      • BVF
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                        • Jan 2002
                        • 13975

                        #12
                        Originally posted by munki
                        Read the article first gotdammit...

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                        • Techie Media
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                          • Jan 2001
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                          #13
                          Good find richard, Looking forward to seeing you in Phx next week bro.


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                          • DOCTOR 30
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 846

                            #14
                            It's on to the Supreme Court after this IF they'll accept the case.

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                            • sarettah
                              see you later, I'm gone
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 14358

                              #15
                              I have finally learned to look at the board before posting. Only took 5 years.

                              I was about to post on the same thing...lol.

                              link to another article http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
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                              • Rochard
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                                • Dec 2001
                                • 75762

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DOCTOR 30
                                It's on to the Supreme Court after this IF they'll accept the case.
                                Think they'll take it?
                                Herschel Savage
                                Brooklyn, NY

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                                • tASSy
                                  Spread The Pink!
                                  • Nov 2004
                                  • 8229

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Buzz
                                  A drop of Common Sense in the ocean of American Hypocrisy
                                  emphasis on the "a drop" part of this. we need more drops.

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                                  • After Shock Media
                                    It's coming look busy
                                    • Mar 2001
                                    • 35299

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Rochard
                                    Think they'll take it?
                                    I see no reason the supreme court would hear it. Nothing seems that overturnable nor controversial. Just boiled it down to parents can pay a few bucks and block what they want to block, so lets not restrict freedom of speech.

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                                    • Jenny S.
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Apr 2006
                                      • 582

                                      #19
                                      Here's CNN

                                      http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/interne....ap/index.html
                                      Jenny Seemore
                                      Pornography is the bloody gladiator who stands guard over the First Amendment

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                                      • ThreeDeviants
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                                        • Jan 2007
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                                        #20
                                        ya, this is a case where parents should do more to protect their kids... not the government... excessive laws don't make up for lazy parenting =/
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                                        • Splum
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                                          • May 2003
                                          • 6195

                                          #21
                                          Sweet another useless Clinton law struck down.

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                                          • Jenny S.
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                                            • Apr 2006
                                            • 582

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Splum
                                            Sweet another useless Clinton law struck down.
                                            I was wondering how long it would take until someone would bring up Clinton.

                                            The quick facts:

                                            Clinton signed it into law but Sen. Coats (R-IN) introduced the Child Online Protection Act and the 105th Rep. dominated Congress passed it. In 2004 in Ashcroft v. American Civil Liberties Union the current administration tried to uphold it in the Supreme Court.
                                            Jenny Seemore
                                            Pornography is the bloody gladiator who stands guard over the First Amendment

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                                            • Splum
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                                              • May 2003
                                              • 6195

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Jenny S.
                                              Clinton signed it into law
                                              Yes he sure did, he could have vetoed it. Great guy that Clinton.

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                                              • he-fox
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jun 2006
                                                • 2884

                                                #24
                                                that judge should run for president. he seems to have a bit of common sense

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                                                • chupacabra
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                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 3626

                                                  #25
                                                  i am absolutely *stunned*. best news i have heard in the last year in relation to our arena, bravo to the judge who valued free speech above the fucking "...won't someone think of the children?" fucksticks..

                                                  ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                                                  • mardigras
                                                    Bon temps!
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 14194

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Splum
                                                    Yes he sure did, he could have vetoed it. Great guy that Clinton.
                                                    You do realize that COPA was attatched to the budget bill and like every such bill not every side is getting what they want?
                                                    During last-minute budget negotiations, the Clinton Administration reportedly objected to provisions of the bill pushed by Rep. Michael Oxley, R-OH, citing a Justice Department analysis that it was probably unconstitutional and would likely draw resources away from more important law enforcement efforts. But negotiators apparently failed to strike the Oxley language from the $500 billion Omnibus Appropriations measure due to be voted on in both the House and Senate and signed by the President tomorrow.
                                                    http://www.epic.org/free_speech/cens..._10_15_98.html
                                                    .

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                                                    • Rochard
                                                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                      • 75762

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by mardigras
                                                      You do realize that COPA was attatched to the budget bill and like every such bill not every side is getting what they want?

                                                      http://www.epic.org/free_speech/cens..._10_15_98.html
                                                      Just like the bill they are trying to pass right now with $25mil for the California Spinach industry bailout?
                                                      Herschel Savage
                                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                                      • D
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2006
                                                        • 7412

                                                        #28
                                                        The U.S. has a great legal architecture... it's just the people that screw things up.

                                                        Hopefully, this judge's words will inspire others to continue the work against those that would limit others rights for the illusion of security.

                                                        Props to the ACLU. This reminds me that it's been awhile since my last donation...
                                                        -D.
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                                                        • mattz
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                                                          • Dec 2001
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                                                          #29
                                                          Rochard...i miss you in blue

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                                                          • mardigras
                                                            Bon temps!
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 14194

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Rochard
                                                            Just like the bill they are trying to pass right now with $25mil for the California Spinach industry bailout?
                                                            Pretty much just like that.
                                                            .

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                                                            • CheneyRumsfeld
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                              • 1341

                                                              #31
                                                              finally somebody gets it.
                                                              its YOUR kid.
                                                              watch him.

                                                              he is not MY kid.
                                                              I am not responsible for him.

                                                              if these fucked up laws are allowed to contnue, they will expand to radio, tv, newspapers, magazines books and more.
                                                              then what?
                                                              all because some imbecle with the ability to breed shouldn't.
                                                              the tv or computer is not a babysitter.
                                                              and just because you can push out a kid DOES NOT make you a parent.

                                                              </RANT>

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                                                              • Splum
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                                                                • May 2003
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by D
                                                                Props to the ACLU. This reminds me that it's been awhile since my last donation...
                                                                Here is where your donation money is going, to protect child molesters.
                                                                http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/prote...s20000831.html

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                                                                • After Shock Media
                                                                  It's coming look busy
                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                  • 35299

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Splum
                                                                  Here is where your donation money is going, to protect child molesters.
                                                                  http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/prote...s20000831.html
                                                                  Um Splum what is wrong with that?
                                                                  Freedom of speech applies to every individual and group. More often than not though when defense is required it almost always is for a group or person that most would consider the most vile or undeserving. The type of speech we desire to hear the least is typically the most important to protect. Remember erosion happens at the fringes and many would also place a porn smuggler in the same group as NAMBLA.

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                                                                  • Splum
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                                                                    • May 2003
                                                                    • 6195

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                    More often than not though when defense is required it almost always is for a group or person that most would consider the most vile or undeserving.
                                                                    NAMBLA is more than vile and undeserving they promote ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. Their literature specifically states its OK TO HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN. Tell me how the fuck you can defend that, thats not about free speech its about the right to instigate crimes and not be held liable for them. Its fucking sick.

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                                                                    • D
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                                                                      • Jan 2006
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Splum
                                                                      NAMBLA is more than vile and undeserving they promote ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. Their literature specifically states its OK TO HAVE SEX WITH CHILDREN. Tell me how the fuck you can defend that, thats not about free speech its about the right to instigate crimes and not be held liable for them. Its fucking sick.
                                                                      We have laws in place to prohibit actions of that sort.

                                                                      I don't agree with what NAMBLA stands for at all, but I do agree with their right to say and openly discuss whatever they want to without oppression or censorship.

                                                                      It's called a "Free Society."
                                                                      -D.
                                                                      ICQ: 202-96-31

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