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Hey Far-L... haha, I remember being on a panel at Cybernet Expo two years ago talking about .XXX and the fact that there were companies involved in that whole business, and you were trying to get me to name them then too...
I respect that you're direct about that, and consistent too. I also understand though why sometimes it's best for someone not to name names when drawing attention to a general problem, and think there can still be a lot of substance without any finger pointing. It just depends on the situation. Anyhow man, rock on and I hope to see you in Phoenix or Tampa.
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great thread Jay!Alfonsus Kusuma (AK)
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Ok... I admit that I am guilty as the next guy because I know so much but don't name names either, but rather wait anxiously for someone else to do it so that I can cheer them on...Hey Far-L... haha, I remember being on a panel at Cybernet Expo two years ago talking about .XXX and the fact that there were companies involved in that whole business, and you were trying to get me to name them then too... I respect that you're direct about that, and consistent too. I also understand though why sometimes it's best for someone not to name names when drawing attention to a general problem, and think there can still be a lot of substance without any finger pointing. It just depends on the situation. Anyhow man, rock on and I hope to see you in Phoenix or Tampa.
But that might change soon... I feel myself about to cut loose and just say it... but oh yeah, then my partners will tell me don't because so-and-so is friends with what's-his-face and they send traffic so we don't want to piss off so-and-so because he might tell what's-his-face not to send any more traffic... ack - there is no profit in honor!!!HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
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Well Far-L... I look forward to the day myself when the cycle can be broken.Comment
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When you start naming names and even providing proof of your comments, SOMEONE will always come running in to defend them and then you're the bad guy for pointing it out ;)
It's easier (and actually more fun) just to sit back and watch..........and of course discuss it on ICQ
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I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work.
I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.
Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office.
Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals.
True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.
Well done Laj!
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I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work.
I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.
Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office.
Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals.
True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.
Well done Laj!
I've been to two ZIG ZIGLAR seminars for 4 days each. Made me a better person. Structured my life.Comment
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Thanks for the read Jay, Always love reading your deep thaughts... Especially late a night. Oui Oui!!!Comment
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I wrote this article for AVN which came out this month:
"Style over substance: How mass-produced personality-based marketing is killing the industry."
Do you make business decisions and partnerships based somewhat on someone's post count? Does someone's popularity and ability to round the troops as it were have an effect on your marketing plan? Do you take someone's word at face value without investigating every detail of their product simply because you are familiar with them? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then you buy into the concept of personality based marketing. We've all done it at one time or another, and given the relatively young age of our business, in some circles it only takes a matter of months to be the next personality. This is both good for business but at the same time is highly destructive to our industry.
Rest of article can be found here:
avnonline.com
I think a few people here can relate?
I'll be moderating the "Making a Name for Yourself" ? Viral Marketing and other trade secrets seminar at the Phoenix Forum next Saturday March 31 with an esteemed group of panelists. Perfect opportunity to ask questions and make comments in person... I'm guessing those that need to hear it most though will either be missing the show or still in bed
great article Jay, dead on with a lot of it.
But don't you know.... the cool people don't attend seminars, so your message will be missing the people who need it the most.
I think the " I am a bad ass" (and act like a 12 year old) "peronality" is not helping mainstream america's perception of this industry.
is this industry a hobby, a busines, or a lifestyle. If you answer anything other business than you are not doing any of the rest of us justice.
I started a thread after the miami convention last year about the hardcore shit (well there was piss at least) on stage at sponsored events, tons of people filming it and it being shared online.... look with those pornographers do when they get together and have " conventions" .
Many people either want us in jail or think what we do is a joke, why do so many people in this industy have to live up to those people's expectations, instead of trying to act like professionals.
And I don't give a fuck if it is the " porn industry" . if you want to have a perverts " fuck and suck" convention, then throw one at your house. But if we are going to have a business convention with workshops, siminars, booths, etc... why does the other shit have to be mixed it ?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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took a great deal of guts to say what you just said. I too have read those books and in the mainstream world gave seminars myself.I related to this thread on so many levels. I myself have built my reputation on personality and in on way am I going to apologize for it. I did pay my dues and really enjoy my work.
I got hired back in 2001 for my personality and my ability to get along with others. I had ZERO adult experience. They had a product and needed someone to get out there and bring it to the masses. I learnt everything backwards. It worked for me and is still does to this day.
Its no trade secret that webmasters have social skills problem and I believe its one of the reason that they are attracted to this biz in the first place. You can work alone and not deal with the day to day life of working in the office.
Personality can is a muscle and needs to be worked. I read Dale Carnagie, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracey and the list goes on and on. But in the same token I read and took photo shop classes and taught myself dreamwiever etc. And im not talking about kissing ass and name dropping. I truly see this as a career for me and I take my job very seriously and i think it why I have had some longevity. With that being said I love to party and taking pics of my friends which in turn has led to some great biz deals.
True Personality gets overlooked and hated on by people that don't embrace it.
Well done Laj!
As was mentioned before, I refuse to add a company name and have kept TheLegacy for my 11 years in this business. I generally keep a low profile and stay in the background, but do not shy away from opportunities that are asked of me. I see no need to be a 'party animal' and have been accused of not getting attention drawn to myself because I do not play the game of personality marketing.
Instead I (and assuming you) use my time assisting webmasters and building my reputation and nick name on respect and fairness.
we all know the people who try and create a board personality and feel the more crazy they are etc. that they will be loved and thought of as a player.
Just because its the adult industry does not mean we have to start acting as children - we need to do business as adults. The owners I speak too appreciate that I am up front with them and what they see is what they get.
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Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but what the hell does boneprone mean? I just read all of that you said and while i have seen the words posted here a bunch of times i don't know what it means, anything about it, etc.... maybe I am just a noob. Never cared to asked before but seems appropriate now.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I get paid to make the company money...not become a legend in my own mind...excellent article Jay...look forward to seeing you fuckers in Phoenix
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IT means noting..
Thanks just it..
It has been defined and only defined by me.
One could argue the true value of buying a domain name with meaning for thousands of dollars, vs a domain name that means nothing and creating it into something..
Look at sex.com
YOu think that site would be anything without a name like that? Probably not..
Some people or sites need a name.. Others can create it.
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It definitely is risky to invest in an unproven concept/ idea/ business model. Fact is most businesses fail. Kind of touch and go starting out as a small fish in a big pond, wonder if you can relate? Scary, risky, sometimes terrifying even for those with the best intentions.Comment
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that was the reason I asked eric to reset my real post count of almost 30K.
if i talk listen to me based on what i say. It was amazing on gfy just how many people think I lost authority when my post count got reset.
branding is important. this is a small business and personalities will def stand out in itThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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we should tell the powers that be to swap us. I'm on the
"Traffic School" ? Building profitable relationships panel. I'm much better at explaining how to do a personality right or WRONG and you are Mr. happy happy, joy joy when it comes to relationship building with affiliates etc.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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Jay,
I think a lot of reps / sales reps gain a false sense of security and online acceptance as a result of these chat forums. I think it is one of the key reasons that so many move from job to job.
When I make a serious post, my hope is that serious business people will read it and in some instances, give feedback or contribute. I think that many people just hope they get a lot of responses and that those responses are flattering. And many companies hire representatives based on these threads.
The key element is utilizing a target audience. It?s making a post that offers a real solution or use and getting that message out to the correct audience.
When Rochard brought up reps that take on a corporate name, it raised what I see as a serious issue: Reps are more concerned with image, when they should be concerned with production. And this is fueled by the aforementioned false sense of security and online acceptance. I see companies hire based on image all the time. It explains the turnover rate.
If someone is productive, people will notice it and it isn?t going to matter if they have YNOT in front of their name or something else. The industry is shrinking in terms of companies that can afford to pay people higher wages as well as offer individuals a system that they can advance in.
Also Rochard, I doubt highly that new hire reps are choosing ?platinum? in front of their nicks. I would safely assume they are being asked to use it as a part of their jobs. And I for one don?t think that is too much to ask.
I chose Weg in front of my name. When I hired Robert, he changed it to Weg, I didn?t ask him too. John and Gabe use other nicks. It just doesn?t matter.
I have often contemplated changing my nick to Wegcash.
I just don?t care. My nick isn?t a priority. As I said before, I am not likely the right guy for this seminar; I will however do my best to contribute in terms of providing honest information and insight into how Weg and myself utilize all aspects of webmaster marketing.
Good thread, look forward to seeing you in Phoenix.Comment
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That's great : )we should tell the powers that be to swap us. I'm on the
"Traffic School" ? Building profitable relationships panel. I'm much better at explaining how to do a personality right or WRONG and you are Mr. happy happy, joy joy when it comes to relationship building with affiliates etc.
Like I said, I am on this seminar by accident. I thought it was viral in terms of consumers. And as you know, I am anti-seminar. But I intend to give it my best shot. I doubt anyone finds my rhetoric interesting.
I look forward to seeing you in Phoenix. We need to go to dinner.Comment
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"How does this branding thing work" ?????????/Comment
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Last edited by 12clicks; 03-21-2007, 07:30 PM.I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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I wouldn't say "nice" is the word... I just don't like leaving "paper trails." Talk to me one on one and you get different results.
But then again... whom I do business with, whom I associate with and how I conduct business as opposed to whom I do none of the above with tells my story. To me actions speak much louder than words.Comment
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Actually Cory, I think you are the right guy for this seminar. Your insight and approach is quite different and I'm just hoping that those who disagree with you actually show up. You've walked the walk. This is gonna be a great seminar... look forward to seeing you too man.Comment
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for example, sonofsam was a nice/cool guy for a while, then look what he did :321gfyIf you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of.
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i love carrots. theres alot of bullshit in this thread now.Last edited by seeric; 03-21-2007, 08:10 PM.Comment
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Good luck with the serious people reading and having a business discussion, at least on this forum and most others that encourage people to act like 12 year olds and are fueled by drama. You might be able to make a serious business related post and you might even get some serious replies but you are also going to get " fuck you what the fuck do you know" and " see sig" and and bunch of other bots posting off topic shit.
Good post Cory, and I agree with what you said. All these people that build up their " image " here so they can make sig money or get a company to hire them as a rep, they are doing no justice to themselves. Instead of developing a skill (real skill) that can transcend adult or even the internet they instead focus their efforts on building up their punk idenity. Which if all fails for them in adult they have done nothing to better themselves for the " real world".
I am sure the manager at the corner 7-11 cares how many people you " owned " on GFY back in the day and how big your post count was or how many parties you went too. They might give you free slurpies with that on your resume.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Thanks for writing this LAJ. I read it, I appreciate it. Many will not understand which is the biggest problem with the state of the business right now.Comment
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Nice article Jay. See you there!Comment
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Thing is, my post comes off as arrogant but if you read it, I really am just giving what I see as an honest assessment of the situation. I harbor no ill will towards anyone?s style. I really believe in ?to each their own.? If I hadn?t been placed on this seminar, I never would have replied to this thread.
Jay, I do appreciate your saying I would be a good person for this seminar. However, technically, I work on the production side of Weg. I don?t really do the marketing. My marketing post are usually based on something I just pushed into the system on our adult side.
As far as people disagreeing with me, the only point of contention that stands out to me is the prefaced-brand name. It has all been respectful and professional. That is all good with me. I am honest on the boards; I will be honest in person. I sincerely want to help.
One thing I can comment on that I feel would be productive is our marketing history. I will shoot you straight on successes and failures Weg has been a part of (or more precisely, what I think works and doesn?t work). I would also be interested in the same from the other panelist (all of which are more qualified than I am for this).
Thanks for having me though. I think it will be a nice and productive gathering.Comment
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There's thousands of scammers in this industry, unfortunately, including a few large names and as we all know,.billing companies. Of course, there are thousands of scammers in every industry. basing your biz decisions on a board personality is wrong wrong wrongComment
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Jay,
Did you ask Peaches or Lee Noga to be on any of the panels? If not, why not?
They would be great. They are 100 times more savvy and intelligent than the men. Do you have any idea what large numbers of attendees you would get if you had these women on the same panels as 12clicks and Cory?
Since Cory keeps telling us how he hates seminars, kick his ass off and replace him with Peaches or Lee Noga or both.
Women make porn go round and round, not the men. Sharpie spoon fed you or you wouldn't be writing this article.
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Awesome line Derek, I'm gonna pinch it and use it if you don't mind
Amazing how many people still don't get it at all.
Awesome article Jay, in context with the rest of that AVN edition was perfect.
And 'grats to AVN for a theme that was VERY well covered and represented.
Now I'll just go away and self-promote me some more somewhere else.
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TOO true. But what can you do?Comment
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Similar to the AG, judge one on his/her actions not on what he/she posts on a b.s. message board. For some GFY is a good forum to learn what is going on in the industry, get your name out, and get some great laughs (even at your own expense). Some people similar to me have made some mistakes in their personal lives but do not (and have never) conducted business as such. All I ask is that you make judgments based on the “reality” of one’s business practices, not posts on an adult industry board intended to be read by those in the adult industry. Thank you!Comment
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if anyone can it's you. Just tell the high school kid behind the register you are sleazy dream and you throwing one cool ass party and he is invited. Not only will you get a free slurpie but i bet he throws in some m&ms for you too.
If you really lucky he might let you wear his varsity jacket.Last edited by will76; 03-22-2007, 12:47 AM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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that is bullshit and most people don't get it. If this is just " some b.s." board then why do people promote their business here? Why do people advertise here, paid, sigs, or just start threads about their services... Obviously a lot of people, in one form or another, do business here. This is the " conference room" of a traditional business. This is where a lot of people do their business.
So you have some people here who act like total jackasses on messageboards but relly on them for a good portion of the business.
So how am I suppose to judge someone, by the way they act when they are in the place where they do a lot of their business or the way they act when they are buying me drinks just bullshitting with me at a party.
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