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  • AaronM
    GFY Royality ;)
    • Oct 2001
    • 46917

    #51
    EDIT....Nevermind.

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    • AaronM
      GFY Royality ;)
      • Oct 2001
      • 46917

      #52
      Originally posted by chadknowslaw
      I will be there; grab me in the courtyard and I would be glad to chat. For some reason I was passed over for the legal panel this year--for the first time in years. Could be that I am too outspoken and actually willing to give real advice when I am on a panel. Panelists are probably not allowed to give advice or speak contrary to pre-conceived policies, they are only supposed to promote their own programs.

      FYI, you were not the only attorney overlooked for the panel this year. For what it's worth, a little birdie told me that the person selected for this years panel has had something come up and will be unable to attend. You may still have a shot at speaking if you ask nicely.

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      • MaDalton
        I am Amazing Content!
        • Feb 2004
        • 39861

        #53
        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
        Well we have that in common at least lol.
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        • chadknowslaw
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2004
          • 343

          #54
          Originally posted by Quentin
          I'll take my place in line..... does Chad carry around one of those delicatessen "Take Number For Service" dispensers, by any chance?

          - Q.

          More like McDonalds -- still working for "Millions and Millions Served"
          ChadKnowsLaw

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          • chadknowslaw
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2004
            • 343

            #55
            Originally posted by AaronM
            FYI, you were not the only attorney overlooked for the panel this year. For what it's worth, a little birdie told me that the person selected for this years panel has had something come up and will be unable to attend. You may still have a shot at speaking if you ask nicely.
            I am not good at speaking nice. I am good a brutally honest.
            ChadKnowsLaw

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            • Quentin
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2002
              • 1280

              #56
              Originally posted by AaronM
              I allowed that because I know I'm a better cuddler than you are. You are no threat to me...Now Quentin on the other hand...He has a mean cuddle from what I've heard over the years.
              "Women cuddle, men spoon."

              Did I really just quote Entourage? I must be getting too indiscriminate in my TV watching habits....
              Q. Boyer

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              • stickyfingerz
                Doin fine
                • Oct 2005
                • 24984

                #57
                Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                I am not good at speaking nice. I am good a brutally honest.
                He told me flat out he didnt want to cuddle with me.. Brutally honest.

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                • AaronM
                  GFY Royality ;)
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 46917

                  #58
                  Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                  I am not good at speaking nice. I am good a brutally honest.

                  Seems that your strong point is not interpreting written words either. Not such a fine quality for an attorney. ;)

                  I said "ASK" nicely about speaking on the panel...Then you can be brutally honest if you like.


                  FOR THE RECORD:

                  Chad and I get along great. I've used his services in the past and I'm sure I will use them again in the future. Please don't take my fucking around with him to mean more than it really is.

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                  • jonesy
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 6688

                    #59
                    whats all this 2257 talk?
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                    • AaronM
                      GFY Royality ;)
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 46917

                      #60
                      Originally posted by Quentin
                      "Women cuddle, men spoon."

                      Did I really just quote Entourage? I must be getting too indiscriminate in my TV watching habits....

                      If two "men" are cuddling then they are both fags who are acting like women. "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

                      So...In this case, it's all about the cuddling.

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                      • chadknowslaw
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 343

                        #61
                        Originally posted by AaronM
                        Seems that your strong point is not interpreting written words either. Not such a fine quality for an attorney. ;)

                        I said "ASK" nicely about speaking on the panel...Then you can be brutally honest if you like.


                        FOR THE RECORD:

                        Chad and I get along great. I've used his services in the past and I'm sure I will use them again in the future. Please don't take my fucking around with him to mean more than it really is.
                        We are still on for cuddlin' though, right?????
                        ChadKnowsLaw

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                        • AaronM
                          GFY Royality ;)
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 46917

                          #62
                          Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                          He told me flat out he didnt want to cuddle with me.. Brutally honest.

                          But did he tell you he doesn't want to cuddle with you because you look like a meek teenage boy and he prefers real men? Or did he leave that part out in order to preserve the attorney/client relationship and spare hurting your feelings?

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                          • AaronM
                            GFY Royality ;)
                            • Oct 2001
                            • 46917

                            #63
                            Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                            We are still on for cuddlin' though, right?????

                            FUCK YEAH!

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                            • stickyfingerz
                              Doin fine
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 24984

                              #64
                              Originally posted by AaronM
                              But did he tell you he doesn't want to cuddle with you because you look like a meek teenage boy and he prefers real men? Or did he leave that part out in order to preserve the attorney/client relationship and spare hurting your feelings?
                              I do look like a meek teenage boy, but its starting to fade away alas... I think he just doesnt find me attractive.

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                              • frank7799
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 1974

                                #65
                                Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                I am not good at speaking nice. I am good a brutally honest.
                                Could you please hit me up on ICQ, I´ve got a question for you.
                                #154-723-327

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                                • chadknowslaw
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 343

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                  FUCK YEAH!

                                  When we are done you better take me bowling like you promised last time!!

                                  And I want my own room too. You know what a disaster is was trying to share a room together.
                                  ChadKnowsLaw

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                                  • chadknowslaw
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 343

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                    I do look like a meek teenage boy, but its starting to fade away alas... I think he just doesnt find me attractive.
                                    Of course I find you attractive. I just don't want to leave you in a quivering, jibbering mess like all the others. I respect you.


                                    ChadKnowsLaw

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                                    • Mr.Right - Banned For Life
                                      I guarantee it
                                      • May 2005
                                      • 18314

                                      #68
                                      I always get a minimum of of two ids.

                                      1. Photo ID

                                      2. Birth certificate

                                      I take a picture of the model holding the id.

                                      I also take a copy of the ID for the files.

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                                      • jonesy
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2003
                                        • 6688

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                        When we are done you better take me bowling like you promised last time!!

                                        And I want my own room too. You know what a disaster is was trying to share a room together.
                                        did you guys share a queen size bed?
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                                        • AaronM
                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 46917

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                          When we are done you better take me bowling like you promised last time!!

                                          And I want my own room too. You know what a disaster is was trying to share a room together.

                                          I said you can go bowling afterwards...I never said I would take you there.

                                          You can have your own room. You snore too loud and are a blanket hog anyway.....But you still have to come over and make me coffee each morning.

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                                          • AaronM
                                            GFY Royality ;)
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 46917

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by jonesy
                                            did you guys share a queen size bed?

                                            Is there any other way to do it?

                                            You're just a jealous bitch though........I'm onto your game.

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                                            • stickyfingerz
                                              Doin fine
                                              • Oct 2005
                                              • 24984

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                              Of course I find you attractive. I just don't want to leave you in a quivering, jibbering mess like all the others. I respect you.


                                              Well I can respect that.

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                                              • AaronM
                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 46917

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                Of course I find you attractive. I just don't want to leave you in a quivering, jibbering mess like all the others. I respect you.



                                                I like that line. Imma steal it.

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                                                • jonesy
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 6688

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                                  Is there any other way to do it?

                                                  You're just a jealous bitch though........I'm onto your game.
                                                  fucking-a right.

                                                  you see right through my facade!

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                                                  • jonesy
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                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                    • 6688

                                                    #75
                                                    wating for boy alley to drop in .....
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                                                    • AaronM
                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 46917

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by jonesy
                                                      wating for boy alley to drop in .....

                                                      So you're face down and ass up right now eh?

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                                                      • jonesy
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 6688

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by AaronM
                                                        So you're face down and ass up right now eh?
                                                        buns up and kneeling ...
                                                        Last edited by jonesy; 03-21-2007, 03:46 PM.
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                                                        • chadknowslaw
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                          • 343

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                          I like that line. Imma steal it.
                                                          Tell people you heard it from a guy with a "reel purdy mouth"
                                                          ChadKnowsLaw

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                                                          • AaronM
                                                            GFY Royality ;)
                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                            • 46917

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                            Tell people you heard it from a guy with a "reel purdy mouth"


                                                            Me thinks I should leave that part out.

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                                                            • BV
                                                              wtf
                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                              • 10914

                                                              #80
                                                              Another vote for 1 id required, nowhere does it say keep 2. Specifically says 1.

                                                              as far as having a 2nd or 3rd forms, the more the merrier. Just keep them seperate and not with what they want.

                                                              What's everyones opinion on any signed documents by the models? Like the "Compliamce Form" on the FSC website.

                                                              Nowhere in 2257's text do you read that anything like that is to be kept for inspection.

                                                              The only phyisical things that I see are the following:

                                                              A list with their legal name and DOB that you OBTAINED from their ID.
                                                              A copy of that ID
                                                              A copy of the content.
                                                              A list of where the content is published.
                                                              A list of all the models names used, aliases, maiden etc etc....

                                                              (If you are a secondary producer add the primary producers name and street address to the above list.)

                                                              Hmmm?????
                                                              Last edited by BV; 03-21-2007, 05:20 PM.

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                                                              • 96ukssob
                                                                So Fucking Banananananas
                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                • 12991

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by jact
                                                                Truly amazing how stupid some people are.

                                                                Hey, let's take a chance with our freedom, let's take legal advice from GFY!

                                                                Grab a clue at 7/11.

                                                                PS: Aaron, don't bother trying to educate them, "experts" like bossku69 have spoken...
                                                                when did i ever say i was an expert? just gave my dont like it, dont read it
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                                                                • DonkeyPunchProductions
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                                  • 188

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by chadknowslaw
                                                                  It is amazing how many different views can come from one small topic!

                                                                  2257 has not been litigated, so no judge has interpreted the law, leaving lawyers and pseudo-lawyers to guess how the law may or may not be interpreted!

                                                                  Here is one section that pertains to this topic:

                                                                  § 75.2 Maintenance of records.

                                                                  (a) Any producer of any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, picture, or other matter ....that contains one or more visual depictions of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct made after July 3, 1995 shall, for each performer portrayed in such visual depiction, create and maintain records containing the following:

                                                                  (1) The legal name and date of birth of each performer, obtained by the producer's examination of a picture identification card. For any performer portrayed in such a depiction made after July 3, 1995, the records shall also include a legible copy of the identification document examined and, if that document does not contain a recent and recognizable picture of the performer, a legible copy of a picture identification card.





                                                                  What hangs people up, lawyers and well-intentioned GFY'ers, are the words "A" and "THE" when referring to a photo ID. Some want to interpret this SO LITERALLY that they believe it means there must be ONE, and ONLY ONE, picture identification card.

                                                                  Believing that one and only one ID may be kept in 2257 records is nonsense. The regulation section I included above even refers to a second form of ID if the first does not have a recent picture.

                                                                  One government issued ID is required. Getting 2 is just covering your ass and there is nothing wrong with keeping copies of 2 ID's in your records. I am so 150% certain that I am right on this that I make this guarantee--

                                                                  I will provide full legal defense, or pay the attorney of your choice, for anyone who is indicted solely for having 2 model ID's in their records instead of 1.
                                                                  I am that sure it will never happen.



                                                                  The easiest way to get a fake ID to drink in a bar is to get an older brother or sister's ID. Bouncers know this, so when they have someone that looks young a good bouncer will ask for another form of ID--like a credit card. The older sibling might give up the driver's license for a night but rarely would give Junior a second ID or credit card to boot. The easiest way to get a fake ID to make some money getting naked is to get an older sibling's ID. If you deal with young models, demand to see at least 2 forms of ID. You will not get in trouble for asking for 2 forms of ID. You will get in trouble for shooting an underage model. I would think producers are at least as smart as the guys holding the door at nightclubs.
                                                                  He is right. Always best to know the law and read the statutes and consult an attorney similar the above quoted member of the bar. If you want to be extra careful you can also get an id scanner similar to ones bars use to insure the authenticity of the id card presented. However such will not preclude a younger sister using an older sister’s id. Therefore, two id’s are desirable.

                                                                  Been studying this for some time, the reason I waited over a year between having several opportunities to shoot models and now. No child will ever be shot by my company. I genuinely take this dead seriously.

                                                                  My first couple posts were juvenile yet were aimed at getting real answers. I thought you all were idiots, and when in Rome, well. I was wrong. From there I studied the statutes and codes and have an understanding rivaling any current practicing attorney. I wonder how many other industry producers take such precautions. probably none.

                                                                  donkey, donkey
                                                                  www.velvetdonkey.com

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                                                                  • BrettJ
                                                                    ol' timer
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 4715

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                    Our lawyer has advised us that only one
                                                                    Government Issued Id is required
                                                                    ...
                                                                    Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                    only a Driver's License, State ID
                                                                    Card or Military ID will be acceptable for U.S. Models and only a
                                                                    passport will be acceptable for foreign Models).
                                                                    They aren't suggesting a US passport is unacceptable for a US model, are they?

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                                                                    • BOSS1
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                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                      • 4331

                                                                      #84
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                                                                      • V_RocKs
                                                                        Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                        • 32451

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Word....

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                                                                        • DonkeyPunchProductions
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                          • 188

                                                                          #86
                                                                          Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                          Word....
                                                                          "Nerd" to be more accurate, but this is one area in which I feel I have to be so people do not get the wrong idea. Also, I definitely would like to give back in similar areas. Such as distribute free id checkers to check models i.d.'s etc. when I can afford to do so. I have in the past smoked a lot of herb and drank way too much beer and I do not mind that being "public record" but I also care more than most and would gladly volunteer my time in helping out some worthwhile causes. I base my self-image on my offline friends, however I hope to be one of yours if you were really in need. Regards,

                                                                          donkey, donkey
                                                                          www.velvetdonkey.com

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