Kimbo wont take the fight to the ground in the beginning.. imo.. he'll try to outboxed Mercer and this is where Mercer needs to shine.. Not sure about this but i think Mercer may also have wrestling background..
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So Mercer officially replacing Dirty Danza for this one?
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That's kinda what I'm getting from this as well. Sounds kinda like they're trying to teach Kimbo how to win by submission because they know Mercer would stomp the hell out of him in the kind of brawl that Kimbo is used to fighting. At least that what it sounds like...
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what they're doing is matching him up against a guy with not a lot of ground skills just like kimbo. they want it to be a boxing match because they feel like kimbo can take a punch and possibly move better on the ground. does anyone seriously not see this?
like i said this fight will come down to who can take who's punch better and im betting that mercer can take kimbos best shots and keep throwing. i know kimbo can take a punch as well but he doesnt have a tenth of the experience taking a punch as mercer does. power is the last thing that a boxer loses remember that also. no one ever doubted that mercer had power, he just fought guys who were simply better boxers in the big matches he lost like holyfield, lennox lewis and klitchskhoComment
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Kimbo will get destroyed if he tries to stand with Mercer. He'll probably take him down and try to pound him out. It will be interesting to see. Who knows what kind of ground game either of these guys have. The problems I see is that Mercer is about 50 and hasnt fought in 4 or 5 years and Kimbo is always in terible shape. Either way it will probably end in the first, Mercer standing or Kimbo ground and pound.Comment
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That's sad for a middle aged man signing up to fight because he needs the bread.
My guess is that even though an old boxing champ could deliver serious blows to an amateur fighter, using MMA rules will remove any chance of him winning. The speed and agility of a younger fighter, who is allowed to throw kicks, choke, and put an old man on the ground is going to win.Comment
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You're like a broken record man.
We all get that you think BJJ/Wrestling is superior in every way to all other forms of fighting, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on the "fighter" not necessarily how the fighter was trained.
Mercer will have a punchers chance regardless of what kind of shape he's in and what training he does or doesn't do for the fight.
I've watched alot of Kimbo fights and I haven't seen him go to the ground ever. Sure he's training with these guys that you claim are gods, but still it's only for a few months.
In MMA guys that are black belts in BJJ lose every day to guys with striking backgrounds.
Sure to be a well rounded fighter you need to have stand up and ground/submission skills, as well as defenses, but you make it seem like strikers are pussies and BJJ guys are gods, and that just ain't true.sig too bigComment
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Here's a novel thought, why not get off your fat ass and go find out for yourself what training as a MMA fighter entails. 4 months is a good time to train someone to sprawl and brawl, and ground and pound. I'm not even bringing in submissions, because it's not needed, to defend or get them.
Bring up one time I said Kimbo would win by submission fucktard.
All you have seen me post is MMA is a well rounded game, and while Mercer has boxing skills, Kimbos trainers are going to train Kimbo to negate Mercer's boxing by taking it to the ground.
If you had any idea what the fuck you were talking about when it came to fighting instead of doing your Live Action Role Playing Krav Maga, you'd have a clue.
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Ray is SHOT. He can't let his hands go. Kimbo would still get beat with gloves on, but he has a good chance standing up without them. I don't think Ray has much of a chance if it goes to the ground.
Lenny, nobody disrespects strikers, but BJJ would still be winning 90% of the time if fighters didn't get stood up every five seconds. Royce would never have beaten Dan Severn under the current format.Comment
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Kimbo is a big guy... Id love to see this..
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its going to be intersting to say the least -
kimbo, a street fighter, will have some mma training under his belt
mercer is a former pro boxer.
if kimbo goes toe to toe and tries to box/fight mercer, kimbo's ass will be handed to him.
if kimbo can drop mercer to the mat, then its over for mercer.
does anyone know if mercer is training in any of the grapleing arts/technics?.
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amazing how many replies this thread has received so far. everyone has an opinion...some educated and others....not so much.Comment
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so where can we place bets for this one.. mercer ias gonna get killed
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Ahhh, makes sense now.
Dig was talking BJJ vs TKD, so much empirical data that BJJ wins 9 outta 10.
MMA is a complete fighting system in all ranges. I've been training my ass off for my first fight, and I would kill the Anthony that was only a BJJ/Submission Wrestler guy in a fight before I started.
Pure BJJ fighters don't even exist in MMA anymore. Last one I saw was Royce vs Hughes, and everyone saw what happened with the past met the present. Gotta know how to fight in all ranges.
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Keep in mind that without time limits the BJJ guy doesn't have to shoot in every five seconds like he's on crack. He can wait, let you come to him, or he can just wait for the opening instead of trying to create it. Takedowns are very tough today because the striker knows the BJJ guy has no choice but to go for it constantly.
A failed takedown is one of the most exhausting things you can do, a few of them and you're pretty much done for the night.Comment
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I think people that are backing Mercer here are remembering a much different Ray Mercer than they are going to get. If this was the Mercer of 10 years ago, and both guys put in the same amount of time training, I would've backed Mercer in a second. The man had a concrete slab for a chin and could throw a punch. But I still have the image in my head of Ray Mercer vs Remy Bonjasky in K1 where Mercer took a high kick to the head and suddenly looked like a very shot fighter.
If I remember correctly, Ray Mercer didn't even train for K1 before he took his first fight against Musashi. The guy's never really been known for his strong work habits, and something tells me he won't even train MMA seriously for this fight. If both guys just go in there and slug it out then Mercer would have a chance, but this isn't street fight rules and a pretty simple submission attempt by Kimbo could end this fight in a hurry. And you better believe the guys at FFA will be working Kimbo's ground game. it's going to be up to Ray Mercer to get with a good team and train his ass off to not get it handed to him, but history proves that he won't.Comment
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lol at all the talk of kimbo going for the takedown and submission because he's been training for a few months. you see fucking fighters that have been training for 2 and 3 years that still dont go for a takedown because they're better at striking. im sure this guy is going to take him down, put a big ass dude like mercer in a fucking armbar or something without getting his dome smashed in, yeah right.Comment
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listen i don't want people to think that I am discounting BJJ or MMA but the facts are the you are talking about a backyard fighter who fights dumbfucks and has been beat by a nobody to a gold medal winning, former Heavy Weight Champion of the world who gave one of the greatest fighters of all time Lennox Lewis the best fight of his career this fight shouldn't be on pay per view it should be on Pros vs. Joes what people don't understand is how much more it takes not to just make it to the professional level but to succeed and maintain that success for any length of time Kimbo isn't iin the same class of human as Mercer
And don't think that Mercer is that far off He was training to fight Hasim Rahman in June the fight fell through so he has be training for a 10 round fight
but I could be wrong I mean he was training for Rahman not a Sean Gannon caliber fighter"Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity."
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That's usually because they are fighting a guy that has also trained on the ground. Ray Mercer stated out of his own mouth that he didn't even train for kicks when he fought in K1. Do you think he's going to train submissions or sub defense at all? The first time they clinch a simple guillotine could make it a short night if Mercer doesn't train to defend it, and he probably won't.Comment
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I agree that Mercer was a great boxer, but he looked like shit against Shannon Briggs his last fight, and that was in 2005. Ten years ago I wouldn't have argued against Mercer for a second, but the man is shot.
That being said I'm no fan of Kimbo either, and I am curious to see what happens if they stay on their feet and slug it out.Comment
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I understand that. My point is that neither of the two fighters in this scenario have alot of grappling experience, so it's conceivable that Mercer could get trained by MMA people as well, which would negate any advantage by Kimbo other than age.
Also, the days of UFC 1-4 are long gone. Nobody in MMA steps into the ring without extensive grappling training (if they do they're idiots), but it doesn't begin and end with grappling, there are other aspects to fighting which are important also.
I'm sure you'll agree that not all BJJ black belts are created equal, some people are just more talented fighters than others, and you can't necessarily say the guy with the belt in BJJ is going to beat the kickboxer or wrestler.
Yes Gracie won UFC 1-4, but he wasn't just a BJJ fighter, he was a BJJ world champion, there's a big difference between him and 99.99% of other people who have trained in ground fighting.sig too bigComment
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all this talk an no betting?
WTF?
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Can we watch you fight anywhere Anthony? Any vids online or anything like that?
You seem to have been training for a while and apparently know what you're talking about. Let's see some goods!112.020.756Comment
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I would bet anything that the fight will go down like this....Kimbo- being basically a street thug with an ego to match will go in there and try to slug....if only just to say he knocked out Ray Mercer mano a mano...street cred whatever....he will quickly realize that this was a bad idea...take mercer down and eventually win a long, boring and ugly wrestling match....
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I would bet anything that the fight will go down like this....Kimbo- being basically a street thug with an ego to match will go in there and try to slug....if only just to say he knocked out Ray Mercer mano a mano...street cred whatever....he will quickly realize that this was a bad idea...take mercer down and eventually win a long, boring and ugly wrestling match....
I agree with everything you have said, except mercer will knock the kim out of kimbo.Comment
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Alot of confused people here.
It's a hell of alot easier to each a guy to duck and grap a leg then it is to teach a long time pro boxer to counter act his instinct and drop his hands to defend a take down.
If this was a street brawl like most of Kimbo's fights were no take downs were allowed I'd go for Mercer.
I think Kimbo will take this one easy as long as he doesn't try to prove anything by standing with him.264-543-302Comment
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kimbo in every aspect: power, speed, all around skill
ray mercer was "lazy" even in his prime, at 46 years old he's just looking for paydays, so i dont expect him to come into this fight in phenomenal shape - nor will he be as prepared as kimbo will be
4 months of SERIOUS mma training to a naturally athletic man like kimbo, and its a wrap
if you've never stepped in the gym you wouldnt know
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i didn't read all the posts... but here is my opinion on the situation. the growing cult of personality around Kimbo is really misguided. he hasn't fought anyone that had skills (except for gannon who submitted him standing up a couple times, much to everyones dismay). for the most part, he fought people who sucked worse than he did... mainly a bunch of misguided, clueless ghetto weirdos who made the near fatal mistake of trying to show off for their friends. being big and putting your head down and swinging doesn't make one a good fighter... even when you happen to connect and even hurt people. only in the last fight i saw, did it become apparent that he had actually started to train... you could see it in his punching and body work. is it enough? who knows? is he a great fighter? well... he hasn't fought anyone that they knew right away that he could beat. can he be a great fighter? depends on how comitted he is, how hard he trains and how well he accepts the inevitable fact that he's going to also lose from time to time.
i dont think people seem to really understand what it takes to get into shape for a fight and what kind of conditioning it takes. beyond that, its much much harder for someone who is a heavy weight. i box 5 days a week, trust me... i know. no matter how hard i work... its never enough. mercer knows. if i had to bet money right now on a fight between him and a pro boxer, i would bet money on kimbo losing steam right away... as he always does after a few flurries.Comment
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Gotta love idiots who don't read all the posts in a thread.
Read up some, about me fighting May 12 in my first MMA fight. My first fight was to be in August, I decided to take an earlier on in May as well, with only 4 months of MMA training. I have years of Submission Grappling, striking, but never all put together. So yes, moron, I am speaking from experience.
Nothing like looking like a dumbass because you didn't read.
Where's the list of Pro MMA fighters who don't go for the shot/takedown? You are full of shit.
I doubt you'll be back in this thread after being owned twice. But you never know with some tards.Last edited by Anthony; 03-21-2007, 07:30 PM.
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Would be cool for you to make it Felix.
May 12th, 2007 Earl Warren Showgrounds. It's a new org, the promoter runs Santa Barbara Martial Arts, a former Pro MMA fighter. The card consists mostly of new fighters with zero record, myself included. The headliner which is still tenative is supposed to be Sean Liddel, Chuck's brother.
http://www.earlwarren.com/ews_pages_...darevents.html
Under May 12th, you can find all the info. Look for Throwdown.
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Would be cool for you to make it Felix.
May 12th, 2007 Earl Warren Showgrounds. It's a new org, the promoter runs Santa Barbara Martial Arts, a former Pro MMA fighter. The card consists mostly of new fighters with zero record, myself included. The headliner which is still tenative is supposed to be Sean Liddel, Chuck's brother.
http://www.earlwarren.com/ews_pages_...darevents.html
Under May 12th, you can find all the info. Look for Throwdown.
whoa that's pretty crazy coming all the way from florida!?!?! is there not a smaller org out there you can get a first fight ??
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