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  • Linkster
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2003
    • 3216

    #51
    The easiest way is to go to the companies, which I will try today as I still have some old friends there from the old days, and see what it would take
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    • gimilin
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2007
      • 1050

      #52
      what????????//

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      • DamageX
        Marketing & Strategy
        • Jun 2001
        • 14293

        #53
        Originally posted by gimilin
        what????????//
        Try reading.
        Whitehat is for chumps

        If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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        • smutx
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2004
          • 1190

          #54
          back to the top

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          • Taass
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2006
            • 697

            #55
            Originally posted by DamageX
            Cool, let's go back to the McD/BK analogy I used earlier. You're hungry and on your way to enter BK, when someone from McD stands in front of you as you're about to walk through the door, with a huge sign advertising McD. Think that would fly?
            Actualy, with overwriting of affiliate cookies, it would be more like.. You'd get your burger from BK, but when you where about to pay for it a guy from McD jumps in front of the BK guy to collect the payment
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            • Ben_MN
              Confirmed User
              • May 2006
              • 466

              #56
              Originally posted by Sosa
              porno jew is pry someone doing this fucking codec installing...

              sperm I totaly agree with you. It is going to take us standing up as an industry to get some of this shit stopped.
              I dont fancy our chances of educating the dusty fuddy duddies in congress about zango - "tinternet what?". It took months of threads on here before the majority of webmaster world got it so what are your chances with those cronies?

              There are other options.

              Sponsors

              Implement tools in their back ends to alert to CPV marketing/zango in their own back yards - freeze everyone one they find and don't pay them out.

              If a sponsor uses external processing/tracking then sponsors should push for them to implement a solution. Is NATS, for example "zango aware"? Any programmer worth their salt can set up an alert easily.

              Sponsors can also set up an off network zango machine and monitor their sites for zango pops from competitors

              Or use a service like AffiliateFairPlay to keep an eye on the situation.

              Then politely ask the competitor to remove offending webmaster - with a video capture if necessary. Worked well for me. If that doesn't work then call them the fuck out.

              Webmasters


              Don't promote zango accepting/using programs

              They'll soon find their lifeblood is drained away. Zango is parasitic in nature, eventually it will bleed the program dry as it depends on genuine traffic to survive.

              Ben MN


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              • DamageX
                Marketing & Strategy
                • Jun 2001
                • 14293

                #57
                Originally posted by Ben_MN
                I dont fancy our chances of educating the dusty fuddy duddies in congress about zango - "tinternet what?". It took months of threads on here before the majority of webmaster world got it so what are your chances with those cronies?

                There are other options.

                Sponsors

                Implement tools in their back ends to alert to CPV marketing/zango in their own back yards - freeze everyone one they find and don't pay them out.

                If a sponsor uses external processing/tracking then sponsors should push for them to implement a solution. Is NATS, for example "zango aware"? Any programmer worth their salt can set up an alert easily.

                Sponsors can also set up an off network zango machine and monitor their sites for zango pops from competitors

                Or use a service like AffiliateFairPlay to keep an eye on the situation.

                Then politely ask the competitor to remove offending webmaster - with a video capture if necessary. Worked well for me. If that doesn't work then call them the fuck out.

                Webmasters


                Don't promote zango accepting/using programs

                They'll soon find their lifeblood is drained away. Zango is parasitic in nature, eventually it will bleed the program dry as it depends on genuine traffic to survive.

                Without lawsuits, I don't see any of the above happening soon.
                Whitehat is for chumps

                If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                • Ben_MN
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2006
                  • 466

                  #58
                  It already is...

                  We are doing all the sponsor side of things i mentioned, and it works for us

                  And peeps in this thread are doing the webmaster side.....

                  But one doesnt work without the other..
                  Last edited by Ben_MN; 03-15-2007, 06:59 AM.
                  Ben MN


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                  • DamageX
                    Marketing & Strategy
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 14293

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Ben_MN
                    It already is...

                    We are doing all the sponsor side of things i mentioned, and it works for us

                    And peeps in this thread are doing the webmaster side.....

                    But one doesnt work without the other..
                    Exactly and with the track record of this industry you can rest assured that there will always be a crooked sponsor ready for blood money, or a crooked affiliate ready to make that sponsor money. It will take forever before any major changes occur.
                    Whitehat is for chumps

                    If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                    • RawAlex
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 9465

                      #60
                      I will say this, the people of GFY are voting with their posts. The AFF contest thread keep dropping off of page 1 like a rock. What would have been a suckup festival has turned very quiet indeed.

                      Ben, without someone coming down the pipeline and putting money behind lawyers and auditors to go through and do a form of forensic accounting to see where all the clicks, all the sales, and all the payouts go, you won't see any programs take action.

                      Remember the most important part: This isn't costing the programs anything, because they still get the sales. In reality, if they are paying Zango low enough amounts, it is actually saving them money (for now) on every sale.

                      In the long run, as people pull their traffic, the costs of getting traffic will go up and then using Zango will be a total waste.

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                      • MrPinks
                        Registered User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1767

                        #61
                        My sales dropped signifcantly with one sponosr, NSCash, which has me worried. The whole situation is really pissing me off.

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                        • DamageX
                          Marketing & Strategy
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 14293

                          #62
                          Originally posted by RawAlex
                          Remember the most important part: This isn't costing the programs anything, because they still get the sales.
                          Actually, if the visitor gets pops for other sites upon entry to their sites, it might end up costing them. Also, if the visitor doesn't come in via an affiliate link and Zango inserts a refcode, they'll end up paying a commission for traffic that should've been pure profit.
                          Whitehat is for chumps

                          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                          • Linkster
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 3216

                            #63
                            Well - checked with my contacts and both Norton and Mcaffee do detect both zango and funwebproducts(worm) and do have removal tools
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                            • germ
                              ( o Y o )
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 3108

                              #64
                              Originally posted by Linkster
                              Well - checked with my contacts and both Norton and Mcaffee do detect both zango and funwebproducts(worm) and do have removal tools
                              wow...then why is zango still such a big problem? i would think that would take care of a lot of the people that would be prone to installing something like that.

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                              • Lanceman
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 301

                                #65
                                Bump for Russian Redirects.............

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                                • themonk
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2006
                                  • 6511

                                  #66
                                  good subject to talk about ..
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                                  • Lanceman
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Mar 2007
                                    • 301

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by themonk
                                    good subject to talk about ..
                                    Bump for rip off artists!

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                                    • JD
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Sep 2003
                                      • 22651

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Lanceman
                                      Bump for rip off artists!
                                      that's just bumptastic!

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                                      • Lanceman
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Mar 2007
                                        • 301

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                        that's just bumptastic!
                                        Bump for this thread and all like it!

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                                        • Axzar
                                          Random Jackass
                                          • Feb 2003
                                          • 1837

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Ben_MN
                                          "tinternet what?"
                                          It's Tubes!

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                                          • Wilbo
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2001
                                            • 2082

                                            #71
                                            Is there a list of sponsors who use Zango?

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                                            • Lanceman
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Mar 2007
                                              • 301

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by Wilbo
                                              Is there a list of sponsors who use Zango?
                                              Unfortunatley no......

                                              No sponsor out there will admit to anything like this!

                                              I am working on a new E-book that will explain the whole thing.

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                                              • scottybuzz
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • May 2006
                                                • 14799

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Lanceman
                                                Unfortunatley no......

                                                No sponsor out there will admit to anything like this!

                                                I am working on a new E-book that will explain the whole thing.
                                                well yes thre is a partial list of major comapnies., but i have forgotten the website name.
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                                                • DamageX
                                                  Marketing & Strategy
                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                  • 14293

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by scottybuzz
                                                  well yes thre is a partial list of major comapnies., but i have forgotten the website name.
                                                  http://www.zangoblacklist.com/
                                                  Whitehat is for chumps

                                                  If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                  • Lanceman
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                    • 301

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by DamageX
                                                    Thanks man for that.........

                                                    Im sure it will be of use to me in this report!

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                                                    • jayeff
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 2944

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Lanceman
                                                      Im sure it will be of use to me in this report!
                                                      Be a little careful with it. I might be wrong, but I think it was put up around last November in a rush of enthusiasm and I get the impression it hasn't been upated since.

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                                                      • Lanceman
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Mar 2007
                                                        • 301

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by jayeff
                                                        Be a little careful with it. I might be wrong, but I think it was put up around last November in a rush of enthusiasm and I get the impression it hasn't been upated since.
                                                        Dont worry I base alot of what is going on from the boards!

                                                        Many people are involved with this whole BIG PICTURE!

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                                                        • DamageX
                                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 14293

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by Lanceman
                                                          Dont worry I base alot of what is going on from the boards!
                                                          OK, then be VERY careful.
                                                          Whitehat is for chumps

                                                          If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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