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  • pradaboy
    sell me your banners
    • Dec 2003
    • 12931
    #1

    SEO gurus... hosting question for you

    For a small network of sites, what's the smarter choice? One dedicated server with 10/20/30 different IPs OR a bunch of small virtual accounts with 1/2 IPs each at Naked, WebAir, HostGator, etc.?

    Also, does each and every site need to have a different IP or can I do 1/2/5 sites on one IP?

    THNX in advance.
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    • AdPatron
      No commissions, no fees.
      • Apr 2003
      • 17706
      #2
      Go with different hosts.

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        • WiredGuy
          Pounding Googlebot
          • Aug 2002
          • 34512
          #3
          If you can get away with multiple virtual accounts (not resource intense), then go for it. You'll be over multiple networks and geo-graphically spread out too.
          WG
          I play with Google.

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            • pradaboy
              sell me your banners
              • Dec 2003
              • 12931
              #4
              Wow very convincing answers so far, thanks guys.
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                • Denny
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 17401
                  #5
                  Google knows all of your sites, no matter how many hosts you use

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                    • area51 - BANNED FOR LIFE
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 3163
                      #6
                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                      If you can get away with multiple virtual accounts (not resource intense), then go for it. You'll be over multiple networks and geo-graphically spread out too.
                      WG
                      It is better, just a pita to manage.

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                        • pradaboy
                          sell me your banners
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 12931
                          #7
                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                          If you can get away with multiple virtual accounts (not resource intense), then go for it. You'll be over multiple networks and geo-graphically spread out too.
                          WG
                          Can I still host a few sites per account, or just one?
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                            • Nicky
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30071
                              #8
                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                              If you can get away with multiple virtual accounts (not resource intense), then go for it. You'll be over multiple networks and geo-graphically spread out too.
                              WG
                              Use whois protection too. This is a cross-link ready network. If you are not gonna cross-link your sites you don't need any of this just unique content.

                              gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                • Nicky
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 30071
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by pradaboy
                                  Can I still host a few sites per account, or just one?
                                  You can host a few per account, put them on their own IP and don't cross-link with the ones on the same virtual.

                                  gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                    • mikke
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2010
                                      • 1327
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Denny
                                      Google knows all of your sites, no matter how many hosts you use
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                                        • marketsmart
                                          HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                          • Dec 2004
                                          • 20419
                                          #11
                                          i put 50 sites per 3 ip block. 2 for dns and 1 for web...

                                          i host 350 sites per dedicated box

                                          but i guess it depends on what you are doing.

                                          i run adsense and amazon on my sites as well as cpa offers, so google is well aware of what sites i own..

                                          i no longer see a benefit in seo by having your sites all spread out. i think the speed i get out of a beefed up dedicated box is better for what google is wanting to see..

                                          i am sure other will disagree, but i am happy with the rankings i have so i will keep doing it my way...






                                          .

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                                            • Barefootsies
                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                              • Feb 2005
                                              • 42635
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Nicky
                                              Use whois protection too. This is a cross-link ready network. If you are not gonna cross-link your sites you don't need any of this just unique content.
                                              Correct. You need to also do smart A-B-C link trading if you are doing a network. There is software available that will help you do this.

                                              I have done single host multiple IP blocks, and spread out as WiredGuy said. I have had similar results going either way. So I do not think it make a HUGE difference either way. But that privacy on WHOIS would be a solid investment as well.
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                                                • Barefootsies
                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                  • 42635
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                  i put 50 sites per 3 ip block. 2 for dns and 1 for web...

                                                  i host 350 sites per dedicated box

                                                  but i guess it depends on what you are doing.

                                                  i run adsense and amazon on my sites as well as cpa offers, so google is well aware of what sites i own..

                                                  i no longer see a benefit in seo by having your sites all spread out. i think the speed i get out of a beefed up dedicated box is better for what google is wanting to see..
                                                  Agreed on all points.
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                                                    • bns666
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                                                      • Mar 2005
                                                      • 11549
                                                      #14
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                                                        • ~Ray
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                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 18361
                                                          #15
                                                          there are many seo theories, so you should not look for one answer.

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                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                              • 42635
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by ~Ray
                                                              there are many seo theories, so you should not look for one answer.
                                                              Correct.

                                                              There is more that goes into SEO other than just the linking piece.
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                                                                • AdPatron
                                                                  No commissions, no fees.
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 17706
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Google knows what you plan on doing.

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                                                                    • Don Pueblo
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                      • 656
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Nicky
                                                                      Use whois protection too. This is a cross-link ready network. If you are not gonna cross-link your sites you don't need any of this just unique content.
                                                                      google are their own registrar, they know who owns what. whois protection doesn't do jack shit.
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                                                                        • Agent 488
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                                          • 22511
                                                                          #19
                                                                          depends on what you are doing. too many variables.

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                                                                            • WiredGuy
                                                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                              • 34512
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                              i no longer see a benefit in seo by having your sites all spread out. i think the speed i get out of a beefed up dedicated box is better for what google is wanting to see..
                                                                              Actually, you bring up a good point I forgot to consider. Make sure the response time of your site if you're doing virtual is descent. These days, load time is a factor for Google so make sure your not on a crap shared server.
                                                                              WG
                                                                              I play with Google.

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                                                                                • Why
                                                                                  MFBA
                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                  • 7230
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  i cross link sites on the same networks, even the same IPs, and still have tons of front page listings... sometimes even multiple places on the same front page for the same term.

                                                                                  a lot of this "SEO" stuff is voodoo! Its usually, A. someone guessing at what they *think* works, B. someone making things up, or C. someone repeating a source that was doing either A or B. give the user a nice website, follow a few guidelines and usually the traffic will follow.

                                                                                  Google is a registrar, its not hard to figure out domains that were all registered the same day promoting the same content and linking to the same end points(affiliate links), are owned by the same entity and are thus "SE Spam". Google and Yahoo have very bright minds writing their algorithms and millions of people reporting errors... you probably aren't going to outsmart them just by spending a few extra bucks putting things on different hosts.

                                                                                  Id get a host that is willing to give you IPs spread across a few C blocks and call it a day. When you hit hundreds of domains... start looking for multiple hosts.

                                                                                  but then again... what the fuck do i know ;)

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                                                                                    • d-null
                                                                                      . . .
                                                                                      • Apr 2007
                                                                                      • 13724
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      the privacy whois idea someone said is a bad idea too, as it will look totally unnatural to google if all the strong important backlinks to your sites are from privacy whois domains, it makes much more sense to use many varied fake whois, completely different with no similar address, name, phone number or emails

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                                                                                        • UFGators2007
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2007
                                                                                          • 1739
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          If you're going to abide by Google quality guidelines, then I'd suggest dedicated hosting. You'll have more control and less variability over site performance, and google it appears from official comments and google labs, may be trending on factoring site performance more heavily.

                                                                                          If you're black hat, then attempt to spread the risk across different hosts, if you can manage.
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                                                                                            • Agent 488
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                                                              • 22511
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                              the privacy whois idea someone said is a bad idea too, as it will look totally unnatural to google if all the strong important backlinks to your sites are from privacy whois domains, it makes much more sense to use many varied fake whois, completely different with no similar address, name, phone number or emails
                                                                                              go look at the top sites in competitive adult serps. how many have their whois visible?

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                                                                                                • Why
                                                                                                  MFBA
                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                  • 7230
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  i refer you to this thread for further information on the matter.
                                                                                                  http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=975350

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                                                                                                    • CunningStunt
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                                      • 5594
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I used to use 20 different hosts, and now have less than half that. I now consider it virtually pointless.

                                                                                                      It's almost impossible to hide your footprints these days, so I believe you're better off not crosslinking the hell out of your own sites on multiple hosts, but use tools like linkspun to get inbounds from other people.

                                                                                                      Read JDough's "GFY Education Series" article on link strategy, he goes into the basics of it very thoroughly.

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                                                                                                        • d-null
                                                                                                          . . .
                                                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                                                          • 13724
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                                                          go look at the top sites in competitive adult serps. how many have their whois visible?
                                                                                                          how many of them have wide ranging networks of backlinks though, I figured this thread was about building one's own network and achieving the best bang for the backlink buck by interlinking, I believe you go a lot further by having links back from many varied whois rather than all of your strong links back from similar private whois domains (and especially important if you end up ranking strong in the serps and get a manual review which branches through your network)
                                                                                                          Last edited by d-null; 06-28-2010, 03:55 PM.

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                                                                                                            • Nicky
                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                              • 30071
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by d-null
                                                                                                              how many of them have wide ranging networks of backlinks though, I figured this thread was about building one's own network and achieving the best bang for the backlink buck by interlinking, I believe you go a lot further by having links back from many varied whois rather than all of your strong links back from similar private whois domains (and especially important if you end up ranking strong in the serps and get a manual review which branches through your network)
                                                                                                              Ofc It's better to have a different visable whois for each domain. As I see It It's either a hide everything even down to the point of sponsor links or hide nothing and use original content and don't interlink too much.

                                                                                                              gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                                                                                • Cyber Fucker
                                                                                                                  Hmm
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                  • 12642
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by JoesTraffic
                                                                                                                  Go with different hosts.

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                                                                                                                    • TeenCat
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a koala
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                                                                                      • 16131
                                                                                                                      #30
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                                                                                                                        • tonyparra
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2008
                                                                                                                          • 4568
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TeenCat
                                                                                                                          floppy disc is the best way
                                                                                                                          what he said...

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                                                                                                                            • BigRod
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Apr 2005
                                                                                                                              • 3685
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Nicky
                                                                                                                              Ofc It's better to have a different visable whois for each domain. As I see It It's either a hide everything even down to the point of sponsor links or hide nothing and use original content and don't interlink too much.
                                                                                                                              We actually did BOTH, when we built our network of over 200 hand written blog we did everything we could to hide everything but quickly realized it was easier and we think better just to build unique content on all our sites and have no interlinking.

                                                                                                                              If your building a network of any size its next to impossible not to leave some footprint.
                                                                                                                              Google Analytics, Akismet, Domain Whois, Themes, Affiliate Links just to name a few.
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                                                                                                                                • Darrell
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 803
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I have sites that have no hard links between themselves but trade with each other using a script with the domain in the link like this:

                                                                                                                                  mydomain.com/script/out.php?t=myotherdomain.com

                                                                                                                                  Does google consider that a backlink?

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                                                                                                                                    • Nicky
                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 30071
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by BigRod
                                                                                                                                      We actually did BOTH, when we built our network of over 200 hand written blog we did everything we could to hide everything but quickly realized it was easier and we think better just to build unique content on all our sites and have no interlinking.

                                                                                                                                      If your building a network of any size its next to impossible not to leave some footprint.
                                                                                                                                      Google Analytics, Akismet, Domain Whois, Themes, Affiliate Links just to name a few.
                                                                                                                                      You have a nice network there. Have you added It to linkspun?

                                                                                                                                      gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                                                                                                        • fris
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 55705
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          if you are doing whitehat, you dont have to worry about the ip space thing. hosting companies pry on people who think they need more ip space, "seo" hosting is the biggest scam ever.
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                                                                                                                                            • beta-tester
                                                                                                                                              Rock 'n Roll Baby!
                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 22562
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I'd have to agree with fris. If you're totally legal, linking couple of your hi quality sites for the shake of information sharing won't hurt at all!

                                                                                                                                              So, I ditched all the virtual accounts I had and now using only one dedicated box where all my hi-quality sites are. And I don't have problem with that, neither does the Google.

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                                                                                                                                                • icymelon
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2007
                                                                                                                                                  • 3220
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I believe there is utility is geo but also utility in having sites 99.9 uptime.
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