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03-07-2007, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by will76

I might be wrong on this, but I believe Amateur Pages, Internet Eraser is Lensmans (GFY) and wasn't any part of CCbill but i really didn't pay attention to others at all back then.

but anyway, this seems very shaddy. Regardless of intential vs unintential how do you not notice a drop to zero in your affiliate sales the same exact time you start tinkering with signups pages.... You make a change, you check stats to double check your work to make sure you didn't screw something up.

Sorry if it looked like I was saying CCBILL and internet eraser were together, I have NO IDEA about that.

I was stating that if he can program that, be the LEAD Programmer, setup GFY, and so on, I am sure in his years of the internet has dealt with ccbill as well, with different sites...

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#102

03-07-2007, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by PornoMonster

You will need to reconcile this situation
with the owner of the website making use of the third party partner
program.

I find that kind of disturbing

someone is ripping off ccbill and all they can say is "contact the site owner"?
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#103

03-07-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Jace

I find that kind of disturbing

someone is ripping off ccbill and all they can say is "contact the site owner"?

No one is ripping off ccbill, they still get the sales... it is not going to a third party biller, just tracking software...

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#104

03-07-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR

wheres that pic of the Iraqi Defense minister when you need it....

lol, no doubt!
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#105

03-07-2007, 02:06 PM

Mike69 = scammer.

Noted in the GFY database forever.

You're fucked dude.
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#106

03-07-2007, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by PornoMonster

No one is ripping off ccbill, they still get the sales... it is not going to a third party biller, just tracking software...

um...he is redirecting affiliate sales to a nats form that does not give the affiliate credit, that is scamming, and using ccbill in this form of scamming is basically ripping off ccbill....they are losing affiliates, therefore losing sales, therefore losing money
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#107

03-07-2007, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by PornoMonster

Third party manipulation of data and consumer traffic directly before the CCBill signup form may have an adverse effect on appropriate credit...

As a program that uses a third party program and also still has affiliates promoting our sites through the ccbill affiliate system.... I just want to add a little emphasis to the word MAY.

I don't know how AshCash is doing it and so I'm not taking a side one way or the other... just defending the programs that use other software in conjunction with ccbill, effectively and honestly. it's definately possible.
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#108

03-07-2007, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by Jace

um...he is redirecting affiliate sales to a nats form that does not give the affiliate credit, that is scamming, and using ccbill in this form of scamming is basically ripping off ccbill....they are losing affiliates, therefore losing sales, therefore losing money

Oh I see you view.
Since affiliates will stop promoting the site, then the sites have less sales, and ccbill's cut is smaller because of less sales, from lack of promotion...

Now that ran my mind around in circles...

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03-07-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by BrettJ

As a program that uses a third party program and also still has affiliates promoting our sites through the ccbill affiliate system.... I just want to add a little emphasis to the word MAY.

I don't know how AshCash is doing it and so I'm not taking a side one way or the other... just defending the programs that use other software in conjunction with ccbill, effectively and honestly. it's definately possible.

Yep ref the post above!!!

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03-07-2007, 02:39 PM

Yup you can do it that way. There ar a couple other ways to do it too.
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#111

03-07-2007, 02:45 PM

Well it's been over a day or two since the test sale went through and still not showing up in CCBill. This was on a clean computer, with no previous cookies, and directly linked to her site through the affiliate code.

If you would like the sale information or whatever, I can e-mail you receipt so you can look it up in the system. Whether it's malicious or an accident, sales are not being recorded for affiliates.

With AdultDimensions program going live soon I'm assuming, I'm sure you'd want to clear up the issue so that everyone doesn't assume you are stealing from affiliates.
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#112

03-07-2007, 03:16 PM

Good thing I sent only 1400 hits with no sales of course...

Thanks for the info.

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#113

03-07-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR

wheres that pic of the Iraqi Defense minister when you need it....
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#114

03-07-2007, 03:49 PM

Funny how official replies have ceased...

No more concerns for me, I wasn't making much and I've pulled my links...

But I'll keep bumping this thread
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03-07-2007, 05:03 PM

Seems they have!!!

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#116

03-07-2007, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by BradM

Mike69 = scammer.

Noted in the GFY database forever.

You're fucked dude.

Hardly....

I don't own the program, and don't make anything from it.
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#117

03-07-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by rowan

Funny how official replies have ceased...

No more concerns for me, I wasn't making much and I've pulled my links...

But I'll keep bumping this thread

If you want to call it official... I will be posting more in about 2 hrs...

I don't sit on the boards all day...
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#118

03-07-2007, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Mike69

If you want to call it official... I will be posting more in about 2 hrs...

I don't sit on the boards all day...

I'm not worried since I've pulled my links. Others have too.

If you're just the "programmer", and you're not really concerned about posting, then who's in charge, and why haven't they acted? As more people see this thread, more will cease promoting the site.

Nah... wait... why am I even bothering typing this out. BUMP!!!!!!
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#119

03-07-2007, 07:27 PM

It's actually considered fraud by some. Would suck if someone reported her to the authorities.

I'm also real surprised that NATS doesn't have a problem with having their program involved in this. I know it's nothing directly, but the folks at NATS have always been quick to seperate themselves from places that shave.
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#120

03-07-2007, 07:52 PM

haha just got this email

Dear Ashcash Affiliate, An error has been found in the tracking system, some sales have not been credited to webmasters. We do however, have all click stats. To resolve this issue we have decided to payout all webmasters based on clicks sent. This will have no effect on your sales and rebill money, you will get the per click payout on top of your regular CCBill payouts. You will be paid on your clicks from Dec 15 2006 - March 11 2007 This will give us time to change the system to be sure the CCBill tracking system works 100% We will be paying 1.5 cents per click on the clicks into the CCBill system. Unfortunately, CCBill does not provide us with your payment details. Please forward you payment details to [email protected] We will need your Pay To Name, Name, Address and Affiliate ID. We will process the payments during the week of March 12 2007. Ashcash

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#121

03-07-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by cybermike

haha just got this email

I just got it too!

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03-07-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by cybermike

haha just got this email

Dear Ashcash Affiliate, An error has been found in the tracking system, some sales have not been credited to webmasters. We do however, have all click stats. To resolve this issue we have decided to payout all webmasters based on clicks sent. This will have no effect on your sales and rebill money, you will get the per click payout on top of your regular CCBill payouts. You will be paid on your clicks from Dec 15 2006 - March 11 2007 This will give us time to change the system to be sure the CCBill tracking system works 100% We will be paying 1.5 cents per click on the clicks into the CCBill system. Unfortunately, CCBill does not provide us with your payment details. Please forward you payment details to [email protected] We will need your Pay To Name, Name, Address and Affiliate ID. We will process the payments during the week of March 12 2007. Ashcash

Is it me or does this sound like CCBill was just blamed for the problem?

" an error has been found in the tracking system".... " give us time to be sure the CCBill tracking system works 100%"

I wouldn't be happy if I was CCBill and the problem was caused by ashcash. Ashcash never once says they were the cause of the problem and from the way I read it it sounds like they putting the blame on CCBill.

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#123

03-07-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by will76

Is it me or does this sound like CCBill was just blamed for the problem?

" an error has been found in the tracking system".... " give us time to be sure the CCBill tracking system works 100%"

I wouldn't be happy if I was CCBill and the problem was caused by ashcash. Ashcash never once says they were the cause of the problem and from the way I read it it sounds like they putting the blame on CCBill.

It kinda does read that way.

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#124

03-07-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Tat2Jr

It kinda does read that way.

It seems not to be CCbill, I am being told that they are being passed a bogus ID that is over riding thier system. And until setting up the default Nats join page, we had 0 issue with CCBill, so I tend to believe them...
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03-07-2007, 08:52 PM

Just to be clear to everyone in this thread, the CCBill affiliate system has tracked and continues to track clicks/signups accurately, when used correctly without specific outside influences or manipulation

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#126

03-07-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Mike69

It seems not to be CCbill, I am being told that they are being passed a bogus ID that is over riding thier system. And until setting up the default Nats join page, we had 0 issue with CCBill, so I tend to believe them...

ok so then you blamming NATS ?

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#127

03-07-2007, 09:13 PM

God dude, take some responsibility. It is your fault, not CCBill's and not NATS.
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03-07-2007, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by corvette

Just to be clear to everyone in this thread, the CCBill affiliate system has tracked and continues to track clicks/signups accurately, when used correctly without specific outside influences or manipulation

That last bit makes me nervous, and not just about ashcash.
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#129

03-07-2007, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by corvette

Just to be clear to everyone in this thread, the CCBill affiliate system has tracked and continues to track clicks/signups accurately, when used correctly without specific outside influences or manipulation

That was a very polite way to say that some "fair" programmer was clueless on how things work.

Either that, or they did know how it worked and, well you know the rest..

Glad to see it resolved at least.

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#130

03-07-2007, 09:25 PM

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why do people keep fucking with her dead ass. try some new college girls

Word... So many hotter chicks out there... Why push one that doesn't want to play ball?
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#131

03-07-2007, 09:50 PM

Nice quotes from mike in this thread, some conflict?

"I don't own the program, and don't make anything from it."
"and Yes, Ashcash.net will be AdultDimensions.com soon..."
"All webmasters are getting credit for all sales and rebills..."
"Im looking at CCBill right now... nothing wrong with sales... sales are great..
rebills are even better"
"An error has been found in the tracking system"

Ok, a guy who knows the ins and outs of web browsers, cookies and so on....
A guy who writes Internet Eraser program, made to do a FEW of the Following

:: Prevents Sites from improperly changing your Home Page!
:: Erases Windows' secret index.dat file
:: Erases 'autocomplete' site addresses
:: Erases Windows Temp Directories
:: Erases Recent Files List
:: Erases My Documents Files (if you want to)
:: Erases Recycle Bin
:: Erases Browser Cache Files
:: Erases Browser Cookies
:: Erases Browser Favorites (if you want to)
:: Erases Browser History Logs
:: Erases User Selected Directories
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Gets the Setup wrong? No way......
Or a Program that Only pays out with ccbill, never logs in to make sure everything is running correct Since December 06??
How about Testing the Links when the New System went in place? Watching affiliate payout in ccbill for a few days to make sure everything was working ok?
I have heard from to many people that sales dropped off to almost nothing, and the mostly say about the same time frame......

But, during all this, a simple easy fix was found. Anyone switching from ccbill to NATS, just remember to keep everything separate, run 2 different touring systems with different signup forms.
ccbill code should never see nats code, and nats code should never see ccbill code.....
sitename.com/ccbill -- tour -- signup form
sitename.com/nats -- tour signup form (different from the one above)
I am sure there are more ways to keep everything Tracking correctly, and one would think a guy with your credentials would know this.

How many people are going to even bother with the 1.5 cents
How long does a person rebill?

Ok it feels like a dead horse now.......

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#132

03-07-2007, 10:17 PM

wow, if this isn't a someone busted for shaving I sure don't know what is folks

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#133

03-07-2007, 10:29 PM

Doesn't look like a "system error". This is no doubt a deliberate act.

Who's nats ref code is this on the join page anyway?

I'd like to know who's getting all the sales.

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#134

03-07-2007, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by NTSS

Doesn't look like a "system error". This is no doubt a deliberate act.

Who's nats ref code is this on the join page anyway?

I'd like to know who's getting all the sales.

<META HTTP-EQUIV="refresh" content="0;URL=http://ab.adultdimensions.com/signup/signup.php?nats=MDowOjE&step=2">

considering that adultdimensions.com isn't even up, I would say the owner is going to get all those sales
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#135

03-08-2007, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Tryme

wow, if this isn't a someone busted for shaving I sure don't know what is folks

Wow!!!

Not even close, but you'll see tomorrow... what really happened will be revealed tomorrow.
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#136

03-08-2007, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Jace

considering that adultdimensions.com isn't even up, I would say the owner is going to get all those sales

Man you just won't stop.. lmao...

Nats and CCBill payouts have nothing to do with each other...

The Nats code in the refresh does absolutly nothing...
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#137

03-08-2007, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Mike69

Not even close, but you'll see tomorrow... what really happened will be revealed tomorrow.

Another teaser to get us excited.
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#138

03-08-2007, 02:03 AM

just wanted to bump this thread - fucking pisses me off that i now have to go through umpteen pages to remove links to this scamming sponsor!

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03-08-2007, 02:29 AM

This may serve as a wake-up call to other programs.

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03-08-2007, 04:04 AM

While I know Ashley Brookes isn't the biggest solo girl out there these days, she still has a big following. She has tens of thousands of old links up that will never die. I can't fathom that she isn't bringing in atleast a couple sales a day.

With that said, are you saying that NO ONE noticed that an affiliate never sent a sale for nearly 3 months? That the fact that you had no expenses related to affiliate payouts for that time period didn't raise a red flag? That guys who sent 10-20 sales a month were sending 0? I'm sorry, I refuse to believe someone who has been in the industry that long would overlook something like that on accident.

So my conclusion is that someone was shaving. I don't know who runs her site, who sets up her links, or who even owns it. But someone was stealing from affiliates plain and simple. For that, I will blacklist her site and any sites associated with hers (or in the same program) as hers. I would suggest other webmasters who care about the integrity of their clicks to do the same.
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03-08-2007, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by pocketkangaroo

While I know Ashley Brookes isn't the biggest solo girl out there these days, she still has a big following. She has tens of thousands of old links up that will never die. I can't fathom that she isn't bringing in atleast a couple sales a day.

With that said, are you saying that NO ONE noticed that an affiliate never sent a sale for nearly 3 months? That the fact that you had no expenses related to affiliate payouts for that time period didn't raise a red flag? That guys who sent 10-20 sales a month were sending 0? I'm sorry, I refuse to believe someone who has been in the industry that long would overlook something like that on accident.

So my conclusion is that someone was shaving. I don't know who runs her site, who sets up her links, or who even owns it. But someone was stealing from affiliates plain and simple. For that, I will blacklist her site and any sites associated with hers (or in the same program) as hers. I would suggest other webmasters who care about the integrity of their clicks to do the same.

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03-08-2007, 07:25 AM

You can still promote her and guess what, the join links give credit. http://www.nikkinevada.com/nikkinevada1.php Only thing is they haven't updated the member's area for 4 years, so don't count on any rebills

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03-08-2007, 01:38 PM

really disappointed in CCBILL and NATS. what went on here is obvious. how CCBILL works, how NATS works, cookies, shmookies, and everything else - irrelevant. the truth is you had a program that was doing a certain number of affiliate driven sales for a long period of time and then that changed drastically and the program owners did nothing about it - just kept taking what they knew didn't belong to them.

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03-08-2007, 03:03 PM

Well how can you blame ccbill? I mean, when the program owner changes the prejoin page for example to Epoch, you won't get credit either...It's just Mike69 who fucked it up, and who is scamming ppl...

Ashcash--->scammers
besides that, expect that you need to change your links after 3 months anyway, because that girl with attitude will move to the next program anyway...

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03-08-2007, 04:18 PM

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03-08-2007, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by justsexxx

Well how can you blame ccbill? I mean, when the program owner changes the prejoin page for example to Epoch, you won't get credit either...It's just Mike69 who fucked it up, and who is scamming ppl...

Ashcash--->scammers
besides that, expect that you need to change your links after 3 months anyway, because that girl with attitude will move to the next program anyway...

exactly, ccbill has nothing to do with it, good example, doesn't anybody monitor their shit anymore?

mike is a shady character, why did he get fired from adult.com? partner payouts went to zero for the past 6 months and he is trying to play dumb and say he had no idea there was a problem?

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03-08-2007, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by georgeyw

just wanted to bump this thread - fucking pisses me off that i now have to go through umpteen pages to remove links to this scamming sponsor!

I hear ya. Just a pain to pull all the links you've put up, especially if some pages had good traffic.
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03-09-2007, 01:58 PM

bump so everyone knows they are cheaters

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03-10-2007, 09:09 AM

Wow a few minute fix, and it was just NOW done in the last few hours..

Take out the refresh ........ wow so easy

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If you say something like that, I will tell them how to see past the BS...

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03-10-2007, 11:24 AM

Bump for the word from Mike69, it was over 24 hours ago!

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