Do Americans have any idea what will happen if Bush does NOT bombs Iran??

he wouldnt listen if i talked to him about reality. he replied with a "america will step over your ass. you and your country men are bitches. blah blah, whine whine"
If i didnt scare him, he wouldntve shut his ass up.

I know no one will attack each other. follow the argument and try see my point before talking =)

nope nope
till he admits hes wrong
or before i go sleep cause its only 6 hours till i have to wake up and go work again =)

Scare me lol, you are delusional sig whore. Congrats on 500 posts!

Thanks
now if you are speechless and dont know what to say anymore on the topic i'll go sleep, work awaits

What the fuck do any of you guys know about Iran anyway? Absolutely nothing, so shut your fucking mouth and ask yourself why even the possibility that Iran will be bombed has surfaced.

read the topic and shush.
You'll find out youre pretty out...

he didnt consider them his own, but they were is own idiot.

how on earth do you think i got an A on my history final exam?

i suggest you stop using wikipedia to get your ideoly information.

Canada Is The "Best", Israel Is the "Worst" In Worldwide Poll


BTW, just to educate you a bit, after the Roman Empire, there was the British Empire ... and the French Empire just before ... I would also consider Spain, Portugal, Holland as important players, having their influence in many parts of the world.

Now, continue waving the gflag .. its keeps the flies away....

I did, after that I read the post and after that I made my reply. What ae you insinuating?

Firstly, you are right, there is no absolute freedom. Our governments have enacted laws that restrict us from certain actions in order to protect the other citizens. For example; my right to punch you in the face stops at your nose.

But it is not this freedom that I am referring to. I am talking about our freedom to choose our own destiny both as individuals and as countries. Democracy was born out of the idea that government should be chosen by the people to represent the people. In the case of the US, democracy has clearly evolved into something much different than what your forefathers intended. We have a responsibility as citizens to ensure that the governments that we elect exercise their power properly without stepping over the boundaries. What you see in the US right now is exactly that...the Bush administration has taken away your freedoms and liberties to fight the war on terror. I cannot believe that you would fight and risk your life to protect a country that repays you with lies and deception. Are you willing to eat anything that is fed to you? Do you believe the garbage that they tell you? Not only do you bite down on the small piece of shit - disguised as a legitimate reason - they have given you, you thank the hand that feeds you and ask for another. “But not today” they tell you...tune in tomorrow, same bat time same bat place...and maybe, just maybe you'll get a bigger piece of shit then. Why do you insist on supporting a government that is more concerned with having enough gas to fuel your SUVs than saving and helping the people who need it...even within your own boarders (Hurricane Katrina victims)?

Trust me when I tell you that I do not dismiss you as a moron. If I did I wouldn't be dignifying your comments with a response. I just think that you are misguided and your priorities are not in check. You say that you want to fight so your kids and grand kids are safe. But what are they really safe from? You are facilitating the American way of life to be flushed down the toilet...only to be replaced with a culture of fear, hatred and deception that you are helping to create. Is that really what you want to leave for your kids? Soon more people will hate the American way of life than envy it because Bush continues to wage wars on countries and kill innocent people for no justifiable reason. As far as your enemies making mistakes about you and underestimating you; are you kidding? Remember Vietnam? Or even the wars you are fighting right now? The first gulf war waged on much longer than was originally anticipated and only half the job was done. I think it is you who overestimate the American knowledge and power and underestimate the powers of other nations. Just because you have guns and ammo does not mean you are going to win even a battle, much less a war.

People need to understand that the masses have the power, not our governments. If even half or a quarter of the US population marched on the White House you could topple your government in a day. But you choose not to because currently you have oil and relative freedom, but some day that is going to change. And then what are you left with?

Canada is not a superpower for the same reason China will become the next superpower…because of the numbers.

With respect to your comparing America to the Roman Empire; it is an interesting choice of comparisons considering the Romans walked through countries and claimed them as their own peacefully or otherwise. I think you hit the nail on the head because that’s exactly what it looks like Bush is doing at present. Installing pro western leaders in volatile countries to protect the US interest in the area (read to protect the oil supply).

I don’t want people to think that I hate America or Americans or the American way of life because I don’t. I just don’t understand people who fight tooth and nail to support a Leader and an administration that has lied, cheated, and deceived their people. It is not right anywhere and certainly does not resemble freedom or democracy. If that same thing were to happen in Canada you better believe I would be doing everything in my power to stop it.

First of all Brad we are not a true "Democracy", on the technical side we are a Federal Constitutional Republic. We have always been a Republic, yes we have democratic principles and rules but never in the USA history have we been a Direct Democracy.


There are LAWS made every year by all parties(not just the Bush administration) in this government that technically affect our liberty and freedom. Those LAWS are made to protect us as citizens from enemies abroad and at home and every single "free country" has laws, most MUCH more restrictive than the United States laws.

Again you are tunnel visioned on the Bush administration and I tell you that is not the way the United States works. The Bush administration will be gone one day and the United States will still be an imperialistic empire. Who you going to blame then? Could it possibly be that the WILL OF THE UNITED STATES people is being implemented more often than not? The policies of the United States government are the policies of MOST of the United States people no matter what you read, the votes by voters are what count not the news propaganda stories.

First of all this country has given more humanitarian aid home and abroad than all countries combined on the face of this earth. If you doubt the power of the American people to help those downtrodden in times of need you obviously dont know very much about the United States. It is not the governments fault those poor people lived 20 feet below sea level knowing full well a category 3+ hurricane would destroy all they own. The government didnt FORCE them to live there.

Bush didnt create the "culture of fear" as you so call it lol, I dont live in fear each day I dont know any of my friends that do either. Most people in America are more worried about the next American Idol or where they will eat lunch than terrorism. The average American truly feels secure in the United States from terrorists. Millions leave their insecure countries and come to live in the United States each year to pursue happiness.



You are a victim of propaganda and I am sorry that you are because you sound very intelligent. You do realize that Saddam Hussein violated 19 UN resolutions and a cease fire agreement over a period of 12 years dont you? You do realize that most of the middle east has hated the United States LONG before our involvement over there dont you? You say "innocent people" as if we are going around slaughtering truly innocent people, I would like to see you justify that statement. Most of the killing that is taking place is muslim extremists against normal muslims, NOT US troops vs innocent muslims. I resent the fact that you think otherwise and it says alot about your character that you believe US troops are there just to kill innocent people and so we can have gas for our SUVs. If you think its that simplistic and that barbaric I say to you "GO FUCK YOURSELF" seriously.

We tell you to bring it on if you feel that is what you must do because we are doing what WE FEEL WE MUST DO. It could be a Clinton a Bush or an Obama and it wont matter the US will continue to trying to dominate the world as we have since World War II.

That statement doesnt make sense to me but whatever if you think China's communist ways will spread throughout the world I think you are going to be in for a rude awakening. The United States controls much of the world via economic, political or military strength and you know it.

Its exactly what we are doing, as well as fighting a proxy war over there versus any muslim extremist who would like to step into Iraq to be killed.

You do in your heart you just are in denial.

Oh really? You are currently fighting in Afghanistan killing innocent muslims there right? Same analogy you used with Iraq. What is your "justification" for fighting in Afghanistan?

When all else fails bomb em

Al Qaeda = sunni, iran = Shiite.

He also said Hezbollah.
Hezbollah = Shiite

Interesting that that was the title of Richard Clarke's book.

I'm aware.

splum is clearly a fascist, at least the way he acts one here. Sad thing is I dont think its an act, and there are more people like him walking on this earth. As long as there are people with his mindset, there will always be war.

He thinks exactly the same as muslim extremists.

Re-read my original post.

Iran itself will not do it. For all of its shortcomings, Iran is a state, and all states have some accountability.

Independent fly by night terrorist organizations do not. That is the danger.

Al Qaeda certainly had the delivery method on 9-11.

For all of the gobs of money Canadian pornographers love to suck out of the USA, you'd think they could show our country just a little friendship/ loyalty.

"or Hezbollah."

Uh... they flew some planes into towers. Exactly how difficult was that compared to a delivery system for a nuclear weapon?

That is false and defamatory.

Actually, 9-11 involved alot of planning, years of planning.

Delivering a suitcase nuke is as easy as loading into a pickup truck and driving it to where you want it to detonate.

I was just pointing out the inaccuracy.

Box-Cutters.

I think someone has been watching 24.

Omg

Oh my god, who is the programmed one here.

That's directly out of Dick Cheney's talking points.

Sorry to tell you but that tinfoil hat wont help you much when the bomb explodes

It is incredible how the obviously fascistic USA government has even managed to program its citizens to accept every form of restriction of personal freedom.

Only because the so called "terrorists" threaten you?
(Hey in the Netherlands we call these people freedom fighters, you know we also fought for our lives when we got overrun by the German fascists?)

The United states has bombed over 50 countries since World War 2. The USA will soon come to its end, as it should be. We must protect European freedom!

Nice to see you are at least religious.

Tell me what personal freedom I dont have that you have lol.

Ahh and here is the real reason behind your post/rant you are an obvious anti-American. If you think Europe can handle this bring it on lol.

Did you know the average dutch wage is twice as high as in the US? Did you know we have over 10x less poor people here. The USA is a total backwards country because it uses such a big amount of its economy for terrorizing other countries.

The main income in the USA is drugs like Cocaine and stuff because the USA itself has almost no natural resources compared to area's in Europe.

ugghhh the ignorance in this thread is just sickening

And now I see why you are filled with delusions of grandeur, lay off the marijuana you anarchist, shouldnt you be rioting in Denmark right about now?

Your government can fall into your home whenever they want, and call you a terrorist and lock you up, without any proof.

In the netherlands we have something call the LAW. The law here includes the fact that you must first investigate, and proof, before you can call someone guilty.

Eat that, you guys don't learn that at school!

Oh yeah, like the 'Duck and Cover' propaganda would have protected you from a nuclear blast? There isn't going to be a bomb, and even if by some tiny miniscule chance there was it wouldn't affect my life any more-so than 9-11 did. Do you think the Jews cower in fear every time a bomb goes off in Israel? If so they would just shut down and die. They live with near-daily random explosions, yet they adapted. If it happens in America we'll adapt as well. Well most of us will anyway, you will have pussies out there that will just fall over and die.

Keep up the angry nationalist opinion! You might wanna watch some tapes from Germany 1939

Haha I have yet to see any single law abiding American house be broken into and locked up as a terrorist. Where do you get your information from? Jihad weekly? Why do so many of your citizens immigrate to the United States than? Lol dumbass.

Yeah lets see how tough you are when it all goes down lol.

You are very right.

Important is to know that you must not try to create a solution for your fears, before they have become reality.

If you want to fight dreams, you can do everything, but nothing will change.

Try to adapt to the facts, americans. Realize that your govenment has failed.

You must first find a proof before you act. A basic principle.

You bet I will because this country wont pussy out like the Netherlands did against the Germans? You wouldnt have a country if it wasnt for us dipshit.

America's obsession with getting nuked goes back fifty fucking years. Their propaganda then (Duck and Cover) was no better than it is now. I choose to not live my life in fear and no amount of imaginary nuke-wielding boogiemen is going to change that.

You suck at propaganda dutchie.

Immigration of Europeans is to save our own asses. We can influence the Americans without being subject to the facistic government there yet.

Immigration of Europeans is never forever, you must know this. More americans come to Europa than the way around. They call this freedom. Thats like the fact that Amsterdam is listed as a town of freedom in a large percentage of your daily life movies! Excuse me, but 90% of all the movies we see about america include guns.

The Dutch invented Santa Claus, now eat that, we created your basic principles, just know this.

We even created human rights and democracy for you, without it you would be trading slaves right now.

Even earlier this century women did not even have the right to vote in there.

Rubbish. People flee from horrible, "restrictive" places. The USA doesn't have that problem.

Our problem is just the opposite. People try to come here by the thousands because of our freedoms. They even try to "break in" illegally.

If you ever studied history, you would know that thousands of Americans fought and died so your country (yes, the Netherlands!) could remain free. All within the last century. Just a tiny nod of appreciation for our sacrifice would be great.

We certainly do not deserve your hate.

Who is asking you to live in fear?

LOL you may want to compare/contrast your version of history with the real version. Did you get all your facts from movies?