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Are link lists and TGP's going the way of the dinosaur?

03-02-2007, 12:37 AM

Are link lists and TGP's going the way of the dinosaur?

Are they old technology? Are they going to be replaced with social bookmarking sites, blogs and RSS feeds?

What do you think?

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03-02-2007, 12:52 AM

No way... atleast not till 2010
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03-02-2007, 12:52 AM

maybe future is a little bit of everything from old school tgp's mixed with new flavors of web 2.0

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03-02-2007, 12:54 AM

RSS feeds are a bloody joke. Yay for reused content.
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03-02-2007, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by dissipate

RSS feeds are a bloody joke. Yay for reused content.

You sure about that??? We make a small fortune off of providing RSS feeds.

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03-02-2007, 12:59 AM

I would guess that RSS will die before link lists and tgps. An RSS feed can give a surfer a post or two with a few pics per day, a link list or tgp can give a surfer a ton of free content each day. Plus link lists can be very nice for SE's where RSS often ends up being marked as duplicate content by SE's
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03-02-2007, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by kane

I would guess that RSS will die before link lists and tgps. An RSS feed can give a surfer a post or two with a few pics per day, a link list or tgp can give a surfer a ton of free content each day. Plus link lists can be very nice for SE's where RSS often ends up being marked as duplicate content by SE's

rss has been around for long before sponsors jumped on the bandwagon, it will be around long after

hundreds of thousands of sites use rss for not just blogs...rss is a raw format that you can a hundred things with, not just a blog, tgp is a standard format that pretty much is what you see is what you get

a conversion ratio from a site using rss feeds is far lower than that of a tgp if use properly

I was just talking about this with some tgp guys the other day and they were talking about how their tgp ratios and signups eventually got SO bad that they just now make their money off selling spots on their tgp....um, HELLO? LOL...doesn't anyone see a trend going on here?

the entire online adult industry is changing, the way things are sold in online adult is about to change drastically, the next 5 years are going to be a monumental time for the affiliate based model...if you are an affiliate and are not adapting to the new trends that are happening and you don't have massive traffic, your work model is going to suffer greatly, the time of part timers is coming to an end

shit, I just rambled....bottom line, shit is changing, and pretty soon I personally think the affiliate based business model is going to suffer
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03-02-2007, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Jace

rss has been around for long before sponsors jumped on the bandwagon, it will be around long after

hundreds of thousands of sites use rss for not just blogs...rss is a raw format that you can a hundred things with, not just a blog, tgp is a standard format that pretty much is what you see is what you get

a conversion ratio from a site using rss feeds is far lower than that of a tgp if use properly

I was just talking about this with some tgp guys the other day and they were talking about how their tgp ratios and signups eventually got SO bad that they just now make their money off selling spots on their tgp....um, HELLO? LOL...doesn't anyone see a trend going on here?

the entire online adult industry is changing, the way things are sold in online adult is about to change drastically, the next 5 years are going to be a monumental time for the affiliate based model...if you are an affiliate and are not adapting to the new trends that are happening and you don't have massive traffic, your work model is going to suffer greatly, the time of part timers is coming to an end

shit, I just rambled....bottom line, shit is changing, and pretty soon I personally think the affiliate based business model is going to suffer

Great post! Times are changing and if you don't change you will be left behind.

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03-02-2007, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Danielle

You sure about that??? We make a small fortune off of providing RSS feeds.

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yeah, people think rss and they immediately think blog...LOL...man, the possibilities with rss are endless

hell, there are software applications that will take an entire rss and REWRITE the content of it so that it isn't "reused content"...
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03-02-2007, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Jace

yeah, people think rss and they immediately think blog...LOL...man, the possibilities with rss are endless

hell, there are software applications that will take an entire rss and REWRITE the content of it so that it isn't "reused content"...

This is where I'll agree with you. I use RSS to push around content through my site networks. However, as you stated; most people hear RSS and think "blog posts". The fact of the matter is that most webmasters aren't going to do anything with RSS besides throw it up without changing it in any form onto blogs. Because well... most webmasters are lazy sons of bitches.. More money for us
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03-02-2007, 01:16 AM

tgp's are not going anywhere for the time being.
blogs do have better conversions but tgps can provide an amount of exposure
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03-02-2007, 01:17 AM

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03-02-2007, 01:19 AM

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03-02-2007, 01:25 AM

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03-02-2007, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by the Shemp

Come on Shemp!!! At least give it a 1.1!

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03-02-2007, 01:33 AM

i will add though, as long as there are newbies constantly coming in the biz tgp's and link lists will ALWAYS be around, and the guys like Shemp that run huge ones prove that killer money can still be made in the tgp game, but the game is changing and there are a lot of people going to be left in the dust
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03-02-2007, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Jace

i will add though, as long as there are newbies constantly coming in the biz tgp's and link lists will ALWAYS be around, and the guys like Shemp that run huge ones prove that killer money can still be made in the tgp game, but the game is changing and there are a lot of people going to be left in the dust

I'll agree with that 100%! Look what happened to pic posts. TGP's are next.

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03-02-2007, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Danielle

I'll agree with that 100%! Look what happened to pic posts. TGP's are next.

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i still run a picpost and also consider a move on towards something which still does ok nowdays and has that above mentioned web 2.0 flavor of community.

because i have a relatively good base of submitting webmasters and returning surfers to the site which will have to adopt to something "new".

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03-02-2007, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Danielle

Come on Shemp!!! At least give it a 1.1!

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03-02-2007, 02:13 AM

Yah, I bet GreenGuy & TheHun both are taking Prozac because they are so worried about RSS.

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03-02-2007, 02:37 AM

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03-02-2007, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by BV

Yah, I bet GreenGuy & TheHun both are taking Prozac because they are so worried about RSS.

Ha ha - I loved this one - no I dont think that LLs or TGPs have a limited time left - they may have to change some things - which most of us have already done - but they are still a huge traffic force in the game and since the biz (in my opinion) is all about traffic they arent going anywhere

As far as the remark about pic posts - I think that they are long from "gone" - I know some of us old time WMs still use them quite effectively and they still have the traffic power available as do something else a lot of people have given up on - toplists
Remember that as long as you have new surfers coming into the marketplace dont assign something a premature death unless you have tried to extract every penny really working the idea - way too many WMs (as stated above) just dont spend the time developing their networks and expect the sponsors to provide the network for them all packaged up neat and tidy - those of us that still build our own every day are doing just fine

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03-02-2007, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by Linkster

Ha ha - I loved this one - no I dont think that LLs or TGPs have a limited time left - they may have to change some things - which most of us have already done - but they are still a huge traffic force in the game and since the biz (in my opinion) is all about traffic they arent going anywhere

I buy traffic from some of the biggest TGPs for few years already, so I watch also the number of visitiors they have and I can tell you that their traffic is slowly decreasing, but the quality (= Sign-up´s) is the same, fortunately.
Eg.
-Thehun has almost 4 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 3,334 milions (today)
-Wordlsex has almost 2 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 1,592 milions (today)
and so on...
I guess its the matter of time, when even quality will go down, since their surfers are finding out new ways, how to get a shitload more of free porn (full movies, etc.)
New surfers are coming mainly to the different sites (sharing, streaming sites etc.) then TGPs and LLs.
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03-02-2007, 06:22 AM

The problem with most RSS feeds that I have seen, is that they put a single photos, and a single line of text. I guess they are to busy to do a paragraph of key rich text. Well in the long run, it only hurts them.

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03-02-2007, 06:23 AM

TGPs won't die, but is the pot is getting smaller. You've got all these free scripts now that are actually good, and every person in Russia is now a webmaster with no startup costs. They may not last, but they do a good job of fucking things up for the rest of us. However, those that really understand how to grow TGPs and can create a decent network will be fine.

Submitters on the other hand... their days are numbered.

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03-02-2007, 06:23 AM

I think the TGPs and the LLs would do fine as ever if it wasnt for p2p growing faster and faster.

The "problem" that TGPs and LLs solved for the user was the need for free porn. P2P can solve that problem far more effecient, illegal as it may be, and p2p is growing, thus logically TGPs and LLs are taking a hit.

The main problem is that people arent investing in the future and griefing peoples p2p experience completely concerning copyrighted downloads (in our case porn).

I firmly belive that if every porn movie downloaded from the p2p networks turned out to be a picture of goatse with annoying techno playing way too loud, people would flock to the search engines and end up at the TGPs / LLs again.
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03-02-2007, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by dready

Submitters on the other hand... their days are numbered.

The game is just changing for the submitters, and as a result some will perish and some will prevail. Think of the tubes, theyre a haven for cunning submitters.
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03-02-2007, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Narfle

I think the TGPs and the LLs would do fine as ever if it wasnt for p2p growing faster and faster.

The "problem" that TGPs and LLs solved for the user was the need for free porn. P2P can solve that problem far more effecient, illegal as it may be, and p2p is growing, thus logically TGPs and LLs are taking a hit.

The main problem is that people arent investing in the future and griefing peoples p2p experience completely concerning copyrighted downloads (in our case porn).

I firmly belive that if every porn movie downloaded from the p2p networks turned out to be a picture of goatse with annoying techno playing way too loud, people would flock to the search engines and end up at the TGPs / LLs again.

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03-02-2007, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by Danielle

I'll agree with that 100%! Look what happened to pic posts. TGP's are next.

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I disagree 100%

The reason picposts and link lists (mostly) were taken over by TGP's as sites that people bookmark is because TGP's give away more content, and make it easier for you to get to.
ANY kind of site can build up search engine traffic if it's built properly, but bookmarkers are where the bulk of free site traffic comes from.
In order to take traffic away from TGP's you would have to offer more or better quality content to the surfer and make it easier for him to access than it is now.
I don't see how RSS accomplishes that.

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03-02-2007, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2

I disagree 100%

The reason picposts and link lists (mostly) were taken over by TGP's as sites that people bookmark is because TGP's give away more content, and make it easier for you to get to.
ANY kind of site can build up search engine traffic if it's built properly, but bookmarkers are where the bulk of free site traffic comes from.
In order to take traffic away from TGP's you would have to offer more or better quality content to the surfer and make it easier for him to access than it is now.
I don't see how RSS accomplishes that.

well, it is two types of traffic, why compare? the traffic that goes to a tgp would not be traffic I would want to my blogs, ever....people that bookmark my blog and read what is inserted from the rss feeds want quality stories with sexy pictures, they sit and read what is posted and love reading what is posted....tgp users want to click around and get tons and tons of galleries to see sex in pics and movies, and that is it

that is why a good rss feed is very important, lots of text and teasing pictures...I can rewrite the text and really get the surfer hot and horny with the story surrounding the text

someone said something to me the other day that finally sunk in last night....blogs are basically tgp2, maybe a little different, but the same concepts apply...tease the surfer and really get him wanting more

I don't know why people always wanna compare rss and tgp traffic, it is two separate types
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03-02-2007, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Jace

well, it is two types of traffic, why compare?

Because the title of this thread is "are link lists and TGP's going the way of the dinosaur"...and then RSS feeds being the new shit were discussed, so comparison is fair game.

One type of site is designed to attract SE traffic and the other type is designed to get bookmarkers.
As long as TGP's have bookmarkers they're not going the way of the dinosaur.

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03-02-2007, 08:58 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2

One type of site is designed to attract SE traffic and the other type is designed to get bookmarkers.

well, that is a little wrong

one type of site is designed to get bookmarkers AND se traffic

the other is designed to get bookmarkers
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03-02-2007, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Jace

well, that is a little wrong

one type of site is designed to get bookmarkers AND se traffic

the other is designed to get bookmarkers

Right, but 90% of your bookmarkers probably won't come back once they find a good TGP.

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03-02-2007, 09:01 AM

some are going the way of the dinsaur size wise yes ;)))

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03-02-2007, 09:03 AM

jace, people have said for the previous 3 or so years that noobs will suffer and that the adult game is changing, yet newbs like me can stil join and still make money.

why is it any different now in 2007 do you think?

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03-02-2007, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2

Right, but 90% of your bookmarkers probably won't come back once they find a good TGP.

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03-02-2007, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by scottybuzz

jace, people have said for the previous 3 or so years that noobs will suffer and that the adult game is changing, yet newbs like me can stil join and still make money.

why is it any different now in 2007 do you think?

if you don't see a change from 3 years ago til now, you are dense.....hell, I started in this 7 years ago and the formula for success in this industry is far more complex than it ever was, and that formula changes every year and gets more complicated
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03-02-2007, 09:08 AM

Lenny2: What?
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03-02-2007, 09:58 AM

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03-02-2007, 10:03 AM

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03-02-2007, 10:25 AM

feeds are a joke

what the fuck is social bookmarking?

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03-02-2007, 12:30 PM

I'll say this. RSS has many more uses than just blogs and will be around a long time. So will link lists and TGP's. The Internet is changing and so is the porn biz, but in the end this is the porn biz. People, for the most part, are not bookmarking sites and visiting sites because they want to be wowed by designed and high quality text (although high quality test can help get the there) for the most part they could care less about my html or photoshop skills, they want porn. If you serve them what they want they will come back.

However, to say that in the next five years part timers will be a thing of the past I feel is just off base. It seems like every couple of years people predict the demise of the regular, old-school type of webmaster. The guy that makes free sites and galleries and stuff like that. Every few years people like to predict how affiliate programs will be disappearing and there will only be a few big players left in the market. Today there are more affiliate programs than ever. Many affiliate programs actually rely on their affiliates for the majority of their sales and many of these affiliates are part time or regular old-school webmasters. They may have to change some and adapt to new techniques and ideals, but I think there will always be a place for that group that builds some galleries and makes free sites.
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03-02-2007, 12:37 PM

i dont think they will ever fade out, but their popularity has gone down. I think there is a natural behavior for the "first time surfer" who goes to a lot of different sites before bookmarking a few favorites.

As far as web 2.0, personally i think its more of a competition between webmasters than for surfers (free sites, not paysites). Im in between on thoughts because i think surfers like simple looking straight to the point sites, but at the same time, I want the site to look nice an attractive so the visitor fells "safe" and comes back

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03-03-2007, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Narfle

I think the TGPs and the LLs would do fine as ever if it wasnt for p2p growing faster and faster.

The "problem" that TGPs and LLs solved for the user was the need for free porn. P2P can solve that problem far more effecient, illegal as it may be, and p2p is growing, thus logically TGPs and LLs are taking a hit.

Thats exactly what i observed, excerpt from my previous post:
"Eg.
-Thehun has almost 4 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 3,334 milions (today)
-Wordlsex has almost 2 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 1,592 milions (today)
and so on...
New surfers are coming mainly to the different sites (sharing, streaming sites etc.) then TGPs and LLs."

I will post the stats of both sites next year, so we can see how their traffic will change.
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09-21-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by teomaxxx

Thats exactly what i observed, excerpt from my previous post:
"Eg.
-Thehun has almost 4 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 3,334 milions (today)
-Wordlsex has almost 2 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 1,592 milions (today)
and so on...
New surfers are coming mainly to the different sites (sharing, streaming sites etc.) then TGPs and LLs."

I will post the stats of both sites next year, so we can see how their traffic will change.

I have just look today at their numbers on sextracker, and even after half year, its such huge decrease, that I was actually shocked.

-Thehun has now 2.8 milions vs 4 milions 1.5 year ago
-Worldsex has now 1.3 milions vs 2 milions 1.5 year ago.
-Sleazydream has now 261k vs 400k 1.5 year ago.

I will update it in half year again.
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03-05-2008, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by teomaxxx

I buy traffic from some of the biggest TGPs for few years already, so I watch also the number of visitiors they have and I can tell you that their traffic is slowly decreasing, but the quality (= Sign-up´s) is the same, fortunately.
Eg.
-Thehun has almost 4 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 3,334 milions (today)
-Wordlsex has almost 2 milions around one year ago, now according sextracker is 1,592 milions (today)
and so on...
I guess its the matter of time, when even quality will go down, since their surfers are finding out new ways, how to get a shitload more of free porn (full movies, etc.)
New surfers are coming mainly to the different sites (sharing, streaming sites etc.) then TGPs and LLs.

interesting update, the number of visitors are getting down really fast:

current numbers after year are:
-Thehun according to Sextracker is 2,5 milions today
-Worldsex according to Sextracker is 1,23 milions today
-Sleazydream has now 236k vs 400k 2 years ago.

of course number of signups arent what it used to be one or two years ago.
Some tgps should decrease price of gallery spots...
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03-05-2008, 09:45 AM

this thread is only 1 year old but the word "tube" has been mentioned only once in it and it wasn't in the original post

shows how much the industry changed even since 1 year ago

1 year ago tube sites weren't a mass phenomenon yet, today there are 5 threads about them every day....

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03-05-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Danielle

Are link lists and TGP's going the way of the dinosaur?

Are they old technology? Are they going to be replaced with social bookmarking sites, blogs and RSS feeds?

What do you think?

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It depends on which type you mean. If you mean the text based TGPs and Linkslist then yes. But, no, for them in general. I've seen tgps which have user generated tagging and which also have great search functions built in with thumb previews. These actually seem better than your standard tube site in my opinion as far as navigation.

The problem is that as you make things easier like this, conversions naturally decrease. Part of the reason for conversions with text TGPs and Linkslists was the frustration factor.

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03-05-2008, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by teomaxxx

interesting update, the number of visitors are getting down really fast:

current numbers after year are:
-Thehun according to Sextracker is 2,5 milions today
-Worldsex according to Sextracker is 1,23 milions today
-Sleazydream has now 236k vs 400k 2 years ago.

of course number of signups arent what it used to be one or two years ago.
Some tgps should decrease price of gallery spots...

The thing is imho, a lot of the old school sites made their money already and don't care about it enough to change or have moved on to different projects.

Some people always say why change a winning team right, now it just seems their team isn't winning anymore and others take over

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03-05-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by dissipate

RSS feeds are a bloody joke. Yay for reused content.

I have something in the works that will make RSS feeds suck much less.

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