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03-01-2007, 03:32 PM

Please list any affiliate programs that you know of that show ips in stats.

i am spoiled using clickcash. They show you ip, browser info, etc... all I need is IP. You can show me hits / sigups and ip and I will be very happy.

Anyone offer this to their affiliates or CAN you offer this ?

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03-01-2007, 04:32 PM

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03-01-2007, 08:10 PM

thanks.. are there any programs out there that show the ip in the affiliates stats. It is my traffic, can you show me the ip in your stats ?

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03-01-2007, 10:07 PM

I have a promoted over a 100 programs. ClickCash may be the only one.

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03-01-2007, 10:14 PM

I agree with the Senator, of all the affiliate programs I've promoted, clickcash is the only one I've seen with IP's.
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03-01-2007, 10:18 PM

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03-01-2007, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by will76

Please list any affiliate programs that you know of that show ips in stats.

i am spoiled using clickcash. They show you ip, browser info, etc... all I need is IP. You can show me hits / sigups and ip and I will be very happy.

Anyone offer this to their affiliates or CAN you offer this ?

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03-01-2007, 10:20 PM

If the major billers such as ccbill and epoch linked sales to IPs then I'd finally be able to backtrack a signup to the point the surfer entered my site, and KNOW when a former buyer visits the site again.
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03-01-2007, 10:21 PM

You want the IPs of joins or of hits?

Also, for what purpose may I ask?

On a side note, we are adding geo-stats breakdowns to NATS so you can see what countries your hits and joins originate from.

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03-01-2007, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

You want the IPs of joins or of hits?

Also, for what purpose may I ask?

For myself just the IP of a join would suffice. Wouldn't it be nice if we could differentiate between freeloaders/browsers/blocked countries, and people who have actually completed a purchase?
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03-01-2007, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by rowan

If the major billers such as ccbill and epoch linked sales to IPs then I'd finally be able to backtrack a signup to the point the surfer entered my site, and KNOW when a former buyer visits the site again.

NO shit, I created my own stats tracking software for clickcash that will tell me exactly where every signup comes from. I was able to do this because clickcash displays the ips in my stats.

Thats all I need. show me the damn ips. I don't understand why affiliate programs wont show them. Someone explain to me what is the big deal. I got their ip when they hit my site, so it is not like you are giving me confidential information. Even then what can i do with an IP? the windows messenger exploit was fixed years ago, to my knowledge i cant do anything with the ip that would be harmfull, and like i said i got it anyway in the first place.

I can't imagine this would be intensive on their end, shit, they should be logging the ip info anyway, they just not showing the affiliates what it is.

If i could see ips i could set up my own tracking software that would work for ALL affiliate companies.

As it is right now, i can use ad tracking software to show me which source generated the most clickcs to each of the programs i am using, but really who the hell cares about hits. I want to know where the signups are coming from.

How in the hell have you guys been doing this for so many years ? it's like shooting in the dark how do you know which ads/traffic are the ones producing your signups and which ones are not ? I just signed up for a lot of affiliate programs for a new project i am working on and this is frustraiting as hell that I can't track where my signups are coming from. I am use to knowing where every single signup comes from so i can evaluate my traffic and see which is profitable and which is not. I did notice some that allow you to set up campaigns, but even that can be a pain in the ass (although better than nothing) . Imagine if I have a page with 50 programs on it and now i have to go to each affiliate program, set up a new campaign, go back to the links on my site and change the campaign name, and then do this for several traffic sources, shit that would take hours.

By allowing me to see the ip I can create my own "accounts" and track alll 50 sponsors by making a couple changes on my end which would take less than 1 minute.

this is insaine that it is 2007 and people can not track where their sales are coming from.

Anyone have any suggestions here or is this all we have to work with ?

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03-01-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

You want the IPs of joins or of hits?

Also, for what purpose may I ask?

On a side note, we are adding geo-stats breakdowns to NATS so you can see what countries your hits and joins originate from.

I want ips of joins, hits would be nice too but joins is the most important thing. See above post why. it would be like christmas if you guys could give me that info. this is driving me nuts.

Perhaps someone can explain to me why they wont show this, since it seems 99% of the affiliate programs will not show the ips the affiliate who generated the sale, why not ? has to be some reason I am missing here for so many of them not to do it .

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03-01-2007, 10:44 PM

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I agree with the Senator, of all the affiliate programs I've promoted, clickcash is the only one I've seen with IP's.
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Why do you think they wont show the ip? has anyone questioned this before ? i can't be he first person to make a big deal about this.

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03-01-2007, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by will76

I want ips of joins, hits would be nice too but joins is the most important thing. See above post why. it would be like christmas if you guys could give me that info. this is driving me nuts.

Perhaps someone can explain to me why they wont show this, since it seems 99% of the affiliate programs will not show the ips the affiliate who generated the sale, why not ? has to be some reason I am missing here for so many of them not to do it .

We're in the process of a total makeover of the affiliate end of NATS. I will make sure this is a part of it. However, I think we'll need to add an option for affiliate programs to disable it if they choose as some may be worried about the info being shared.

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03-01-2007, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

We're in the process of a total makeover of the affiliate end of NATS. I will make sure this is a part of it. However, I think we'll need to add an option for affiliate programs to disable it if they choose as some may be worried about the info being shared.

I don't understand. It's not an email address, mailing adress, etc... why would there be a concern about sharing ips, what can you do with an ip. Also like i said, i already have the ip, I got that when they hit my site initially, i just want to match the ip from the sign up to the ip from the hit so i can tell which one of my ads produced the signup.

I do appreciate you offering this in your upgrade but i hate to see some programs have the option to turn it off when there is no reason why they should have a need to do so.

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03-01-2007, 10:55 PM

Malicious affilates could figure out some way to screw with the IP... sending windows message popups maybe? trying to trojan valid members for some other "reasons"?

what about something like a class c block rather than the exact ip? maybe like 123.123.123.x

that should still be able to provide regional data

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03-01-2007, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by PBucksJohn

On a side note, we are adding geo-stats breakdowns to NATS so you can see what countries your hits and joins originate from.

thats a cool feature. But IMO the #1 essential thing an affiliate needs to know is where his signups came from. If they offer "campaigns" at least that is something, but for the ones that offer nothing how do people use them and have any clue which traffic is producing their signups. The campaigns are better than nothing but really hard to work with on a large scale, showing the ip would makes things so much easier for the affiliate and allow affiliates to track sales on all affiliate programs.

I am not targeting these questions just to NATS, I do appreciate you replying here. There are a lot of affiliate programs out there and I would love to hear some feed back from some of the others.

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03-01-2007, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by tical

Malicious affilates could figure out some way to screw with the IP... sending windows message popups maybe? trying to trojan valid members for some other "reasons"?

what about something like a class c block rather than the exact ip? maybe like 123.123.123.x

that should still be able to provide regional data

mmm the same affiliates can look at their server logs and pull up the same ips from there and try to be malicious all they want.

I think the windows exploit was fixed about 4 years ago and that is the only legit reason I could see for not wanting to give out the ips of the people who made the sale. .... that shit really only lasted for a few weeks and MS fixed it.

I dont think there is anything you can do with it and if you could you have the info anyway on server logs or if you use your own tracking software for hits. Obviously clickcash hasn't had a problem with it and they probably generated more affiliate sales than any other program here.

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03-01-2007, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by will76

Why do you think they wont show the ip? has anyone questioned this before ? i can't be he first person to make a big deal about this.

I think its just a lot of data that very people will use. Imagine the size of the databases to track every single hit, and if only 5% of webmasters use it, its probably not worth the expense of archiving it. That's my thought at least.
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03-01-2007, 11:06 PM

yeah,

i suppose a websites privacy policy can / should cover this so it shouldn't be an issue anyway

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03-01-2007, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I think its just a lot of data that very people will use. Imagine the size of the databases to track every single hit, and if only 5% of webmasters use it, its probably not worth the expense of archiving it. That's my thought at least.
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any decent affiliate software should record the originating ip of at least registered members (we also record subsequent login ips for fraud prevention, etc)

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03-01-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I think its just a lot of data that very people will use. Imagine the size of the databases to track every single hit, and if only 5% of webmasters use it, its probably not worth the expense of archiving it. That's my thought at least.
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I would think that every program is loging the ips of all their hits anyway muchless signups. How could they not log that info ?

If not buy a bigger HD?

Even if they just logged ips of signups, that is good enough for me to do what i need to do.

So wired guy how do track all your signups ? Do you use any affiliates that don't offer campaigns? If so how do you know where your signups are coming from. Is there another way to do this that I am missing?

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03-01-2007, 11:13 PM

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03-01-2007, 11:22 PM

years ago I remember flashcash having some very nice detail on stats, but didn't show IP...just showed exactly what page you got your signup from...which has the same end result (if you setup unique pages for diff campaigns) that you're looking for

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03-01-2007, 11:24 PM

Tracking IP's on uniques doesn't seem very resourceful to me... but tracking them on joins well... all programs should track that anyhow.
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03-01-2007, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by will76

I would think that every program is loging the ips of all their hits anyway muchless signups. How could they not log that info ?

If not buy a bigger HD?

Even if they just logged ips of signups, that is good enough for me to do what i need to do.

So wired guy how do track all your signups ? Do you use any affiliates that don't offer campaigns? If so how do you know where your signups are coming from. Is there another way to do this that I am missing?

I think they're tracking IP's on sales, but not necessarily on hits. That's a huge amount of data were talking about. Imagine archiving millions of hits per day by IP, time/date stamps, affiliate, etc...

I track my campaigns via subaccount tracking, quite a few programs (Silvercash, trafficcash, etc.) have this ability.

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03-01-2007, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Alky

Tracking IP's on uniques doesn't seem very resourceful to me... but tracking them on joins well... all programs should track that anyhow.

it is not essential but it is good data to cross reference.

I am not greedy, I would be more than happy if all affiliate companies just showed the ip of the signups.

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03-01-2007, 11:48 PM

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03-02-2007, 02:32 AM

Joins in the CCBill admin have the ip listed, not available for affiliates though. Probably for a good reason.

Would you like the customers email and home address too?
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03-02-2007, 03:04 AM

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Joins in the CCBill admin have the ip listed, not available for affiliates though. Probably for a good reason.

Would you like the customers email and home address too?

Paysites market to members; why can't affiliates market to buyers?

What do you think that revealing this big secret IP is going to do? We've already seen them, don't forget we referred them to you.
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03-02-2007, 06:01 AM

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Joins in the CCBill admin have the ip listed, not available for affiliates though. Probably for a good reason.

Would you like the customers email and home address too?

LOL.

You are comparing an email and home address to an IP? care to try to even explain that?

See John this is exactly the reason why if you include ips in your stats that you should NOT give sponsors the option to turn it off.

BV, i hope you are back to enligten me how an IP is as valuable as an email, or has any value at all for that matter. Also you do realize I already have their IP anyway. You do realize that is it MY traffic in the first place ?

so what are these " probably for a good reason " ?

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03-02-2007, 06:35 AM

I agree with this, I've started a thread about it and some sponsors
will do it custom for you if you have enough traffic.
It would be nice to be default with all programs. Heck I even want my stats
in XML, how about that ?
Theres so much obfuscation when it comes to proper stats that it makes you sick.

Btw, http://www.webcams.com/affiliates has been providing ips since the beginning.

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03-02-2007, 06:46 AM

I have someone sending traffic from several areas and he knows where all the joins come from. Plus I can check anyway and see for myself but he already knows. I figured that already got that info.

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03-02-2007, 07:18 AM

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I have someone sending traffic from several areas and he knows where all the joins come from. Plus I can check anyway and see for myself but he already knows. I figured that already got that info.

What are you using for your stats, your own processing, a third party, nats backend, etc.. Do you show ips to your affiliates? If no do you have campaigns? If no to both of those then how does the person sending you traffic know where all of his signups are coming from.

If there is another way to do this I am far it. As Jimmy mentioned making dynamic urls (www.mysite.com/account=whatever etc... ) this seems possible but then the affiliate stats would have to show the exact url the signup came from so we could match the traffic source hit to the signup hit. I am not familar with this method enough to know if it would be easy for them to impliment. If it is not easy then why not show the ip, they already have this info saved all they have to do is display it on the affiliate side.

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03-02-2007, 10:34 AM

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LOL.

You are comparing an email and home address to an IP? care to try to even explain that?

See John this is exactly the reason why if you include ips in your stats that you should NOT give sponsors the option to turn it off.

BV, i hope you are back to enligten me how an IP is as valuable as an email, or has any value at all for that matter. Also you do realize I already have their IP anyway. You do realize that is it MY traffic in the first place ?

so what are these " probably for a good reason " ?

I'm not comparing them and quit putting words in my mouth.

and BTW, it is not your traffic once you send it, it's the sponsors traffic, and you get paid for it.
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03-02-2007, 10:41 AM

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I'm not comparing them and quit putting words in my mouth.

and BTW, it is not your traffic once you send it, it's the sponsors traffic, and you get paid for it.

why didn't you tell me these good reasons not to show the info ?

When you say asshole comments like " What else do you want their email and address too" sounds to me like you are comparing it.

no i want their fucking credit card numbers too

do you even know what you are talking about here and you own a program right?

What harm is it in showing the ip, is your answer " well there must be because most people don't show it " ?????????

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03-02-2007, 10:45 AM

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and BTW, it is not your traffic once you send it, it's the sponsors traffic, and you get paid for it.

why even show me hits then, why show me anything then once they signup its yours.... just sent out checks then....

or perhaps do you want to work with your affiliates and enable them to know which one of the people they sent you signed up. What you are saying we don't need to know that because we are being paid for the signup. If i send you 1000 hits and 10 signups i would like a little communication with you so i can find out which 10 people of the 1000 were the ones to signup. nothing more nothing less.

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03-02-2007, 11:49 AM

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why even show me hits then, why show me anything then once they signup its yours.... just sent out checks then....

or perhaps do you want to work with your affiliates and enable them to know which one of the people they sent you signed up. What you are saying we don't need to know that because we are being paid for the signup. If i send you 1000 hits and 10 signups i would like a little communication with you so i can find out which 10 people of the 1000 were the ones to signup. nothing more nothing less.

Will, are you even a BVCAsh affiliate? I work with my affiliates just fine!

You say quote: "Two ways to fix this problem:

In the affiliate stats show the ip address of the signups or in the affiliate stats show the full url of the page the signup cam from with some type of dynamic subid= on the end that we can put to anything. If i want to subid=campaign1 whatever i can do this on my end without having to log into your program and creating a new "campaign"."

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Example link structure: http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/affil.ph...=yourtrackcode

You can replace yourtrackcode with something meaningfull. No need to log into BVCash to do this.

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03-02-2007, 12:07 PM

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Will, are you even a BVCAsh affiliate? I work with my affiliates just fine!

You say quote: "Two ways to fix this problem:

In the affiliate stats show the ip address of the signups or in the affiliate stats show the full url of the page the signup cam from with some type of dynamic subid= on the end that we can put to anything. If i want to subid=campaign1 whatever i can do this on my end without having to log into your program and creating a new "campaign"."

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Example link structure: http://www.bikinivoyeur.com/affil.ph...=yourtrackcode

You can replace yourtrackcode with something meaningfull. No need to log into BVCash to do this.

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that would work fine for what I need to do as long as the whole url or track= part shows up next to the signup in your stats. Are you using nats or your own stats back end ?

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03-02-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by will76

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that would work fine for what I need to do as long as the whole url or track= part shows up next to the signup in your stats. Are you using nats or your own stats back end ?

BVCash uses our own custom script.

and yes the site, referring url, the track code, and the timestamp are all displayed

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03-02-2007, 12:48 PM

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I think its just a lot of data that very people will use. Imagine the size of the databases to track every single hit, and if only 5% of webmasters use it, its probably not worth the expense of archiving it. That's my thought at least.
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it's only 4 bytes more, if they can track referers which are often 50+ bytes, 4 extra bytes won't make much difference...

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03-02-2007, 04:40 PM

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it's only 4 bytes more, if they can track referers which are often 50+ bytes, 4 extra bytes won't make much difference...

I bet woj could build some kick ass stats tracking software if affiliates were allowed to see the ip of the person signed up

woj, is there any other way to do it besides dynamic identifies at the end of the url or matching the ips of signups to where the hit came from ?

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03-02-2007, 05:19 PM

Mallcom provides all the info even the customers name for sales
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03-02-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by will76

I bet woj could build some kick ass stats tracking software if affiliates were allowed to see the ip of the person signed up

woj, is there any other way to do it besides dynamic identifies at the end of the url or matching the ips of signups to where the hit came from ?

I know how you can do it yourself as long as the sponsor provides a referring url. (and if your sending traffic to a sponsor that does not provide referring urls that's your fault)

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03-02-2007, 05:56 PM

I'm a tad confused..

As an affiliate how does knowing the IP address of the person help?
As an affiliate owner, how does me looking through logs of IP's help? Unless I'm looking for fraud?

We track IP's, I could display them. But I would rather not hit the DB to make extra queries when they aren't important.

If the point of all this is to make you convert better / get more sales. Then it would make way more since for you to track and filter your own traffic, before it reaches the sponsors.

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03-02-2007, 06:08 PM

Will,

Add their ip address yourself to everyones url as soon as they hit your page.

Then the ip will show up at the end of each referring url in your sponsors stats.

How simple is that?
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03-02-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

I'm a tad confused..

As an affiliate how does knowing the IP address of the person help?
As an affiliate owner, how does me looking through logs of IP's help? Unless I'm looking for fraud?

We track IP's, I could display them. But I would rather not hit the DB to make extra queries when they aren't important.

If the point of all this is to make you convert better / get more sales. Then it would make way more since for you to track and filter your own traffic, before it reaches the sponsors.

I think on his end he is tracking ip's of surfers based on their traffic source they came from. He then wants to match that ip info up with his sponsor sales ip's in order to see how each of his traffic sources performs.

That's my take anyways.
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