Well time to sell off

cant believe what they are doing, changing shit just like that
good luck to you man

Good luck with selling your sites, goodsites.

Dude, don't throw it away. Try someone else. I'm not going to shove my shit down your throat, but there are several independant companies to choose from.

Damn. That's brutal foo!

AFF really going out on a limb with this one. Oh well they have made their money I guess. I remember when they got some guy from our office to do a partial redesign of their members area and I thought what a dumb concept. As if someone would pay for that shit. Ahh if only I wasn't so blinded by the money I was making from hardcore!

Ya I just now read all the changes they made. Most people aren't going to refer a new affiliate every two weeks that's gonna make any money. Bull shit.

They are going to save millions doing this.

What if they loose more than they save?

OK, now I get it.
An affiliate must sign up and send a sign up.........................

See sig before you sale.
The recurring rate will work for you!

wow, just read their email, fucking crazy

it's 3 months on the new referrals having to make $50 but 2 weeks on you having to make $50 and one of your current affiliates having to make $50 but I agree still bullshit.

I disagree as I'm already eyeballing clickcash, video secrets, datinggold and streamate as a replacement for my white label due to this new rule which doesn't even really affect me but I'm still pulling out based on principle as I don't think someone that referred a whale referral should be forced to have to continually refer new ones every 3 months to get paid for their old ones.

Sorry to hear that ...and good luck with your sale.

yes, maybe aff is crazy, but more crazy is guy who is selling because one of many sponsors went to shit. you have always other choice, thats what is the best in life ...

Been here since XCASH days dooder... Its over, its dead.. always been crooks around here and I know em all and worked for most everyone on this board in the last 10 years, programmed half the scripts on the net, did SEO for the other half.. The bro's have no choice but to serve their shareholder masters now.....

Affiliate industry in adult is dead. There is no trust left.. There is no reason to promote someone elses business, cuz tere is no future in it... if you have something going.. sure, do cash in on it.. but im not gonna send all my domain traffic to some fuck who just took away my $20k a year i work hard to create just because they have an EXCUSE of this downline scam... which is what it is.. an excuse.... Sure a lawsuit I would win.. I talked to my lawyer over the phone and he already said.. they cant do that, they know they will get lawsuits, but in the long run they make out and end the 10%
that made us promote them and make them solid.

Suing is not a great option.. .as once i do, they will just bleed my account dry anyhow.... no point.. get $10-50k, 100k out of it if i win? all goes to the lawyers.

They know this.. I think the biggest mistake anyone can do at this point is send in the ID... Its granting them legal permission to fuck you.. if you dont, you can still remain option to sue....

Renewal is good for the soul. Sell up I say!

did i say xcash? was that correct, or was it xpics or something.. God that was eons ago, i cant even remember, i still have my first check ever of $1518.00 uncashed framed on my wall somewhere around here.. i wonder if its still good, i might need it :D

prob xpics

I had heard they made some changes, but I wasn't sure what they did. What kind of changes did they make that will cost you that kind of money?

Never-mind

Good luck

The change is that

You have to send a NEW affiliate every 3 months and they must make $50 per period
If i don't, they take away and remove your broker account and the 15-20k a year your are already making.. and growing every month...

Kinda the same thing that Cam Company was riddled about a year or so ago.. Cam Secrets or something like that? Same exact fucking thing i believe.

Basically taking away your lifetime referral cash

i understand what you say and looks like you have other business model than me, but even if my main sponsor will close the doors, i will try to find a replacement for sure, instead of gave up. but i am a small fish and dont remember the golden times, so i know you have to work hard to make money in adult

xpics man they were great!!!! I got great money out of them.

go to mainstream dude.. adult is a joke.. no angles to promote.. too saturated.. no money... business people you work with are not reliable, and will tilt you without breaking a sweat.. I went mainstream 2 years ago..

So much fun, networking is fucking awesome, people are actually nice, not majority of con-men and uneducated peons.. They fucking have college degree's, give you an opportunity to shine and the fucking advertising money is better than you can imagine..

50-1.20 per click on average..

Fuck this bullshit youll pay me $60, for 800 (high quality clicks)

I could make $800 with that in mainstream, and its easier than ever to build compared
to this adult crap going nowhere bullshit, scam this guy to make a dime, worry about phoney traffic this that and cant talk to nobody about what you do bullshit

The times have reversed.. adult is complete crap.. Mainstream is the shit

pulled out a quick list, did not even look at it.. did not care to put prices yet.. i need time.. this is a big surprise today for me and i cant work so well right now......

most of these domains with hyphens had some seo sites on them, many were yanked offline because i closed relationships with alot of cam sites that screwed me in one way or another and it was their material or their ads...

most other good domains went to white label sites via dns control...



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Are you seriously trying to tell me you can't send one affiliate every 3 months, one of which makes $50?

Or do you simply not push the broker side anymore at all?

There must be some allowance for that, surely?

If there isn't, that's a serious kick in the face to someone who may have promoted them hard in the past, and doesn't anymore.

Not very well thought through this change is it.

The site that earned me my broker signups is still there, but it hardly gets hit anymore..
It's so old it says Legendary Lars as the text in the link :D

Some of the people i referered 5 years ago just started promoting within the last year or two... no joke.. Affilliate referal sales have never been a big signup thing.. its like a needle in a haystack... I aint going to start developing a webmaster board or something, that is just sill, this is plain theft on their end.. but what can you do about it..

Think of it this way... lets say you got offered 25% of all your sales on a customer for your referrals.. they wake up tomorrow and say, you are now only going to make 5%

Can they do this?? They can do it.. Is it legally justifiable? HELL NO, but what can you do? Sue the hand that feeds you? your fucked either way

To make sure I understand this:

Say you have 15 active affiliates under you that are sending a nice amount of traffic an making some good money each month. Then you refer a new affiliate and this new affiliate fails to make $50 per month. They yank your entire broker account and take all the active affiliates you have in place?

If you don't refer 1 new referral every 3 months that makes $50 yes, they don't all have to make $50 but at least 1 does.

Cool. I just checked my email and got the letter from them as well. I have actively promoted them in a while so it doesn't effect me, but I can see how it could piss a lot of people off.

Yeah, so would you join this program now as it is? Hell No.

Ok so you post some links on your site, and you get a guy to signup and makes $500 a month earning you $50 for you for a month forever now..

Now for some reason, you had 4 signups in the next 3 months, none made any money.. Guess what, Too bad, you lose $50 guy and you are kicked out of program..

LOL good luck with that investment of time.

Why do people try to analyze the obvious ass rape that just happened?

If you scroll up to post #12 you can see I agree with you.

Expect a LOT more of this.

Belts are tightening, volumes are shrinking and so the only way to maintain or increase the bottom line is to reduce your costs and increase your margin.

But this has been coming for a long time, and affiliates shouldn't really be surprised.

Simple business fact is that in MOST cases, an affiliate's "contribution" is that they put up a link or a sponsor's banner and somebody clicks it. They normally have virtually zero initial cost related SPECIFICALLY to that link, and the referred customer may never revisit the introducing site again, but that introducing site will receive commission every month the sponsor rebills him, or in the case of cams, every time the customer reloads his account.....which can be a lot.

Of course some do more, and there is work building the sites in the first place, but your sponsor had work to do to build his site also, so it's not a justification of why you should be paid forever for a simple introduction. I do not mean to insult the professional affiliates or detract from how hard they work so no point telling me I am wrong on this if you are in the minority of hard working affiliates. I also am an affiliate of other sites and admit that I do virtually nothing for my recurring income.

This is why programs are having to either cancel their affiliate programs and just killing rebills, or changing terms to kill off recurring income (unless you jump through a series of hoops designed at keeping you "useful" to them ie continually referring new customers).

Other programs like AWE appear to be trying to encourage people toward PPS (although seriously....good luck getting $222 per sale on PPS - read the small print), and the knowledgeable and respected Shap even went as far as to try to point everybody in that direction in a carefully worded post asking if it was "time" for affiliates to switch to PPS?

So is the greedy affiliate who wants his monthly pound of flesh but doesn't manke any contribution to the business' ongoing success to blame for the predicament many programs find themselves in?

NO. The programs themselves caused this situation with ridiculous percentage revenue shares and even more ridiculous PPS offers and the latest "clown off" between AWE and ImLIve just illustrates the point perfectly.

Conclusion: Affiliates think of how likely a company will be to be able to pay you. CLUE: Higher revenue share they pay out less margin they have to play with. Higher PPS more pressure there is on them to rebill or cross sell etc.



Specifically to the OP:

Why sell now? just point all these domains to the AWE and I'mLive PPS offers. If you get any sales you will increase the domain's value for when you do sell.

there is just lesser room left for affiliates, small programs need affiliates, big ones like AFF and AWE obviously dont

Lol, TeenCat, keeping it real

We tried to get most of you to stop using AFF to send a message, with all the zango bullshit, the torrent site advertising, etc.. looks like AFF will push you out instead.

I see this as a last-ditch cash grab to be honest. Seriously. Not trying to be a troll.

They saw what some of the larger affil programs did and then sat down with a calculator and figured out how much money they'd save by changing their TOS. Everyone knows they're in debt up to their eyeballs. They need cash and they need it now.

I can see AFF becoming a successful company again one day but it's going to take a bankruptcy and a change in management and company culture. Unfortunately, rather than declaring bankruptcy NOW and continuing to pay affils and restructuring their debt, instead they're going to assfuck their affils so that when the bankruptcy does arrive, the value of the company, minus affils, will be next to nothing.

Adult, as a whole, is becoming more and more mainstream every day. Gone are the days of "slap up anything related to sex on the internet and make money." It will take more intelligent and professional management to be successful in the future. AFF does not have that.

Ask yourself what companies offer a quality product and no fake profiles, fake claims and no fucked billing. If you want to grab as much money as you can before you exit adult in the next 6-18 months, promote the scumbags and ride it out. If you want to stay in this industry for forever, promote the non-scumbags and bust your ass to figure out how to make it profitable. When the scumbags are gone, you'll be back to working 6 hour days for a six figure income and the scumbags will be, well, I'd like to say they'll be working at McDonald's but more likely they'll move on to the next scam.

This is fucking fucked up shit. I refer quite a lot of people, but most of them don't make money in first 3 months. Now I'll loos my referrals from the past because of this. Really fucked up.

I've always liked AFF... until now. This is FUCKED UP!

I just sent you an email - I think I have a better solution for you than selling the domains! If you didn't get it hit me up at [email protected] or on the icq bellow.

Care to share a few of the programs you promote?

Guy can quit whenever he wants, carry on folks...

I would switch to another sponsor but obviously that is totally up to you.

You are all my sheep!