*** Stats Drama *** - a day of reckoning is coming for all sponsors...

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  • xxxjay
    Tube groupie.
    • Aug 2002
    • 13482

    #51
    Originally posted by MrChips
    Would you follow any findings through with legal action?
    Haha...no.
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    • s9ann0
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2001
      • 4873

      #52
      you can't call it a hit unless they click thru to the members area

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      • pornpf69
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Jun 2004
        • 15782

        #53
        that is nice!!! good luck!!

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        • MrChips
          Confirmed User
          • May 2005
          • 1504

          #54
          Originally posted by xxxjay
          Haha...no.
          I guess the day of reckoning is all about "naming and shaming them". Should be nice enough.

          Cheers
          MrChips.

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          • seeric
            ..........
            • Aug 2004
            • 41917

            #55
            Originally posted by xxxjay
            I have added a bunch of server-side tracking to my outgoing links so I will be able to discover the true ratios of what is being sent to sponsors.

            Fuck this busting out a calculator to find out my real ratios -- now I?ll know! No matter how I program tries to wash them in 2nd, 3rd, ?qualified? or whatever the fuck they call them?

            I?ll know.

            I stopped publishing my stats for a while because I believed some sponsors were showing better ratios than they deserved, while other decent sponsors might be getting thrown under the bus.

            This is all about to change. I will be collecting the data for the next 30 days and will publish no-holds-barred results at the beginning of next month.

            Watch out people.


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            • ttuurrbboo
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2002
              • 652

              #56
              good luck with that! I wish NATS would let affiliates choose what kind of clicks to show.
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              • Nubiles
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2002
                • 1496

                #57
                Great, have you checked out any ccbill tracking? It all uses the same system of course, but I would be willing to bet its pretty accurate.
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                • gimo33
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                  • Mar 2006
                  • 5599

                  #58
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                  • pornguy
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 62910

                    #59
                    cant wait to see those.
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                    • More Booze
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 5116

                      #60
                      way to go jay! it will be very interesting to see the result.

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                      • donkevlar
                        Confirmed User
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 4325

                        #61
                        You shouldn't have announced it... I bet affiliate programs are all adjusting their "xxxjay" accounts to "don't shave".
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                        • CC
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 1690

                          #62
                          Originally posted by donkevlar
                          You shouldn't have announced it... I bet affiliate programs are all adjusting their "xxxjay" accounts to "don't shave".
                          Yeah I agree. Bad idea with the grand "announce".

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                          • RogerV
                            Banned!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 12591

                            #63
                            Looking forward to it

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                            • kristin
                              GOO!
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 9768

                              #64
                              Any NATS program should match up ... when I was with EGC I had a sponsor who tracked outgoing clicks and we were pretty much dead on.

                              We'd always have to explain our clicks to people because everyone got so reliant on first, second page uniques, etc and NATS counts true clicks.

                              Should be interesting to see your results Jay.
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                              • xxxjay
                                Tube groupie.
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 13482

                                #65
                                Originally posted by kristin
                                Any NATS program should match up ... when I was with EGC I had a sponsor who tracked outgoing clicks and we were pretty much dead on.

                                We'd always have to explain our clicks to people because everyone got so reliant on first, second page uniques, etc and NATS counts true clicks.

                                Should be interesting to see your results Jay.
                                Nah...there are NATS programs that show the "qualified hits". The NATS ones that use that are actually the toughest ones to tell.
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                                • BradM
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 3397

                                  #66
                                  Jay, just ensure you are filtering out spider requests etc. Those usually don't show in sponsor stats but with a raw redirect on your site it will show.

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                                  • BluMedia
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Dec 2002
                                    • 3973

                                    #67
                                    Sounds great Jay I would look forward to seeing your results.
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                                    • DTK
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 4546

                                      #68
                                      You shouldn't have announced it... I bet affiliate programs are all adjusting their "xxxjay" accounts to "don't shave".
                                      Yeah I agree. Bad idea with the grand "announce".
                                      I'll third the motion due to near-infinite scamming sponsors but then again, xxxjay has always seemed like a bright guy...maybe he's looking forward to a nice bump in conversions
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                                      • Cyber Fucker
                                        Hmm
                                        • Sep 2005
                                        • 12642

                                        #69
                                        Bump! We wanna know ..the truth!

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                                        • SeanLEE
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Feb 2006
                                          • 1556

                                          #70
                                          Why dont you expose whose cookies last for how long?
                                          Some companies cookies last 1 day!!!!??????
                                          Ive dont test with some of the "Majors" and the cookie only sticks if you have their exit console link....

                                          Who's fooling who??? Speak on it!!!

                                          Some cookies last 3 days--- come on now- we all know the surfer doesnt purchase on his initial visit all the time.... EXPOSE THEM!!!!!

                                          THEY NEED US- LETS PUT SOME MAJOR COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINNES!!!

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                                          • SeanLEE
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2006
                                            • 1556

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by donkevlar
                                            You shouldn't have announced it... I bet affiliate programs are all adjusting their "xxxjay" accounts to "don't shave".
                                            Hmm this may be a problem--- someone needs to make an anonymous site- where the user uploads anonymous info on the affiliates...

                                            cause Everyones scared- the savvy webmasters are getting what they deserve- because they know somebody!
                                            I spammed in threads!

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                                            • RawAlex
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Oct 2003
                                              • 9465

                                              #72
                                              I have tracked all my banner clicks for the last 2 years. I can tell you without a doubt, some of the biggest, best known programs couldn't count clicks if their lives depended on it. Their 1 in 200 ratio is in fact close to 1 in 4000 on clicks... but since they only appear to count join page uniques reset once monthly, their numbers look great.

                                              I don't promote them anymore.

                                              Even reported clicks now about well over 1 in 1000 pretty much across the board. Jay, I think you are going to be rather disgusted when you find out what the real conversion rates are.

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                                              • jayeff
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • May 2001
                                                • 2944

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Kevsh
                                                I have no time for micro-analysis
                                                I completely agree, although for me the important figure is $ per impression.

                                                Think about it. If every single link on a site simply said "click this", then the sponsor's tour would be the only thing - over time - impacting on sales and conversion ratios would matter more. But even if every click to every sponsor were created equal and they agreed on a single stats format, they still have different payout rates. The only constants which really make sponsor-sponsor comparison legitimate are exposure and income.

                                                Even if you can figure out how a sponsor is recording your clicks, conversion ratios are utterly meaningless because they depend not only on the sponsor's tour(s) and honesty, but also on your links. The closer you get to a blind link, the more clicks you are likely to generate, but the worse your conversion ratio will be.

                                                Unfortunately it isn't as simple as counting impressions. A sponsor promoted in a prime position should do much better than one with a secondary promo. Promo size and type matters too. So for comparisons to make sense, you either factor in reasonable adjustments, or else group different sponsors/tracking codes together, according to the value and type of exposure you give them.

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                                                • BradShaw
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 7840

                                                  #74
                                                  Ratios have never mattered. Bottom line $ always has.
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                                                  • CC
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                    • 1690

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                    Ratios have never mattered. Bottom line $ always has.
                                                    Now this is the truth.

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                                                    • HomerSimpson
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                      • 13826

                                                      #76
                                                      bump for your monitoring project!
                                                      can't wait for the results!
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                                                      • SteveLightspeed
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 7940

                                                        #77
                                                        We don't fuck around with your stats. You send a hit, we count it.
                                                        Abra-cadabra!

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                                                        • xxxjay
                                                          Tube groupie.
                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 13482

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                          Sounds great Jay I would look forward to seeing your results.

                                                          Only a few days in and things have gotten interesting.
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                                                          • vvq
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                            • 2732

                                                            #79
                                                            There could be a lot of reasons for stat discrepancies. For example some NATS programs don't count hits from countries they can't process.

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