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That's opening up a brand new can of worms. And for the most it it's an incorrect statement.
The "Palestinian territories" includes parts of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and now Israel. This area was controlled by the British, under what is called the "British Mandate of Palestine". The Palestinians have never really had self determination - First they were ruled by the Ottoman Empire, then the British, and now pretty much the Israelis. They don't have a country, do not have a real government, and are more or less represented by a terrorist group.
If you want self determination, you need to act like an adult. The first step is to stop tossing bombs onto your neighbor. (If Cananda was to start launching missiles into Seattle, don't you think the US would do something about it?) Ideally, a tract of (seaside) land could be set aside for the Palestinians to set up a country similar to Lebanon (but then again we've all seen how that has worked out for Lebanon). But when you refer to the last time the Arab world rose up and tried to take on Israel and got their asses kicked as "the setback", no one is going to be taking you seriously.
And you can see what is happening here. Israel is - very slowly - pushing all of the Palestinians out of the territory the Israels consider "their country". For better or for worse, wrong or right, this is exactly what is happening.
The Jewish race almost ended at the hand of the Nazis. They aren't going to let it happen again, which is why the Israeli military is what it is. Your not going to defeat the Israeli military. The only option is throw down your weapons, stop bombing Israel, and pray that your allowed to keep something. It might not be fair, but after sixty years of this it's their best option.Herschel Savage
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Keep in mind these people were honored, and not one member of congress stood up.
The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that "the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'" would be blamed.[1] It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair (Hebrew: העסק הביש, HaEsek HaBish). In 2005, Israeli President Moshe Katzav honored the nine Egyptian Jewish agents who were involved.[2]Comment
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Yes, I understand throughout History Israel has had to protect itself. Of course when it was given back to them the other nations didn't actually agree on everything, naturally war broke out - but Israel has won those. That's just history though.
Having a strong Military is perfectly fine, we built our nation on a strong Military.
Somewhat current times, if Israel would have lived with its assigned neighbors, rather than occupy them.. we probably wouldn't have seen the revolt. They have more than control of the situation now, but Israel continues to cleanse. And now the Country is expanding, attacking and becoming basically terrorists...Last edited by TheDoc; 05-31-2010, 12:05 PM.
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Its pretty hard to ignore this, since its all over the place. Israel attacking a ship in international waters. They still have to make the people like demon think they are actual news stations and they are "fair and balanced".Comment
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But there's a huge difference here. The Palestinians - which is governed by a terrorist organization - is tossing bombs blindly at the Israeli civilian population. When the Israelis retaliate, they do so with their military and it's overwelming force which causes civilians to get caught in the cross fire. There's staggering difference between a terrorist group tossing bombs into another country blindly and a military action in which innocent people get killed.
How is the blockade illegal? (Was the US blockade of Cuba illegal?) Can you point out exactly under "International Law" that this action was illegal?
This is one country who has issued a military blockade to prevent another country from getting weapons. It's pretty much an act of war really, however, being as a state of war has pretty much existed here for some time, that's a moot issue isn't it?
Your calling this an "unarmed civilian aid convoy". I'm calling this a group of ships that intentionally attempted to run a military blockade AFTER being warned not to.
Look at how this played out. Setting aside the fact that they were warned before they left port... Once at sea they were told to turn back by the Israeli military and refused. If any ship at sea refuses the order of warship, well, at that point pretty much all bets are off.
If the police stopped a city bus to search for weapons... this doesn't really apply in this context. Your talking about a ship of people who intentionally ran a military blockade. That's like one person with a handgun on a bus and thirty people on the same bus intentionally traveling across the US with the intention of storming the White House and then blowing through the front gate. Your calling these people "innocent" - but yet they very well knew they were blowing through a military blockade that's been in place for four years, and going against military warships. Everyone aboard those ships knew exactly what they were doing.
They attempted to run a military blockade, no matter what their intentions. If they went through the proper channels no one would have gotten hurt.
It's perfectly legal for Mexico to send a ship of whatever to US ports. However, if they avoid customs and the US military is called in - and then refuse to answer to a boarding party, guess what - Shots get fired. It's not open to discussion.Herschel Savage
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I know what the "British Mandate of Palestine" included, if we had to repeat it every time we referred to pre-Israel Palestine it would get tideous.
Tossing bombs worked for the Jewish militias.If you want self determination, you need to act like an adult. The first step is to stop tossing bombs onto your neighbor. (If Cananda was to start launching missiles into Seattle, don't you think the US would do something about it?)
Your probably right, problem is if that is their best option many will think dying and taking with them as many Israelis/American as possible is a better way outIt might not be fair, but after sixty years of this it's their best option.
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I just call it as a I see it.
I'm a huge WWII buff, and I'm currently studying this in college - history, specifically the 1940s and WWII, The creation of Israel is a spin off of this.
I'm not saying Israel is right here. But come on - This convoy was warned before it left, and was told to turn around at sea. It doesn't matter who is wrong or right or how an international court is going to side... When a warship at sea tells you to turn around, you don't fucking question it.
That's like me coming to a road block on the road manned by police, the police telling me not to go down a certain street, and me ignoring them. It doesn't matter if the police officer is right or wrong, it's in my best interests to do what I'm told at that exact moment.Herschel Savage
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Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran
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unfortunately with this attitude you only have to be the strongest kid on the block to make the rules. but the world has developed beyond this, we have international laws. and one of them is that it is not allowed to capture ships in international waters and shoot people.
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Setting up a blockade is an act of war...and Israel knows this and the blockade has been in place since 2007. This is not the first time they have boarded ships and will not be the last time. Any country whose ship that they have boarded has the option of declaring war on Israel...none as of yet has stepped up to the plate and I do not thinki any will do so. All throughout history "might makes right" and nothing has happened to change that and probably nothing ever will. Israel set up the blockade in defense of their country. Something that any country would do...assuming they have the "might" to do so. Few countries on the earth have that kind of "might".Last edited by theking; 05-31-2010, 12:47 PM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Turkey announces they will send more flotila's escorted by the Turkish Navy.
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retard debating club in here.Comment
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milosovic died in his cell about 4 years ago.Originally posted by Jesus H ChristDeveloped beyond this? International law? You must be joking? Where was the EU community or laws when Slobodan Milosevic was running wild slaughtering civilians in your backyard? The EU and the UN did fuck all and then later begged the Americans to put troops on the ground. We did and it all stopped and then you ushered him off into a Euro court were he still sits today.
Meaning, he who has the biggest stick on the playground will always make the rules no matter what laws or morality dictates.Comment
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Rapists? add Vampires to your list.
There are just few well known rape evens committed by Western armies in Iraq ;) Amazing how blind can a man be.
Israeli army acts as western armies do, but in much smaller numbers.
Israelis kill 1, Westerns 100
The only difference is the status - Westerns consider themself "International" Community, so their masacres legitimised.., by themself.
In fact.., the most bloody wars initiated by Europeans. They bomb now, while such a good man (like you are) does nothing, but porn.Comment
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France did fuck all in Vietnam as well, and then later begged the Americans for help. Europeans did it once again.Originally posted by Jesus H ChristDeveloped beyond this? International law? You must be joking? Where was the EU community or laws when Slobodan Milosevic was running wild slaughtering civilians in your backyard? The EU and the UN did fuck all and then later begged the Americans to put troops on the ground. We did and it all stopped and then you ushered him off into a Euro court were he still sits today.
Meaning, he who has the biggest stick on the playground will always make the rules no matter what laws or morality dictates.
UN. Call a shit gold, they will eat it. Naive dreamers, ppl, disconnected from reality. More they trust, more shit we all get.Last edited by DOX; 05-31-2010, 02:19 PM.Comment
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Sort of.
First, Israel is the strongest kid on the block. Mostly because of what happened to the Jewish race at the hands of Nazis. They will never forget, and because of this, they will always be able (and willing) to defend themselves.
Once again, "international law" is being tossed around. I saw the representative from Turkey used it at the United Nations this morning. What exact international law applies here? A blockade was in place, and this fleet was warned before they left not to attempt to run the blockade. Once at sea, they were told to turn back.
I'm gonna say this once. A fleet of ships approached the coast of Israel, was ordered to stand down by the Israeli Navy, and refused. Thus, in accordance with international law, they were boarded, by force, by the Israeli Navy.
It's not much different than any ship approaching the US. If they refuse to submit to inspection, they can be and most likely will be boarded, in accordance with international law. This pretty much happens at sea a hundred times a day.
Now, you can argue that the ships weren't going to Israel, they were going to Gaza. But there is a blockade around Gaza - to prevent anyone in Gaza from having weapons which in turn is being used to attack Israel. Egypt also takes part in this blockade.
I'm not a ship captain and don't plan to be in the near future. Someone needs to find out what international laws apply here. I'm pretty sure that according to international law, countries have the right to stop and inspect ships - The US does it up and down the Gulf Coast and in the Pacific, as well as off the Florida keys, looking mostly for drugs. I know about the three mile territory limit, but I'm pretty sure legally according to international law countries can patrol and have rights far outside of that area.Herschel Savage
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Depends on what you consider a world war. be default if Israel gets attacked in any way shape or form, the USA is sucked in to a war. But on the flip side of that, if Israel gets attacked by Iran or the like, I can see Israel lobbing a few nukes.
Does that constitute a world war? Not in the WW1 and WW2 way of thinking, but it definitely would suck a lot of countries in to taking sides.
And while I do agree with you on a certain level about both countries being of limited/no importance, the problem is the Jews don't see it that way, and nor do the Christians. Israel has to exist for the biblical end of days.
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interesting attitude, Dox
to your information: besides german soldiers getting killed by suicide bombers - while they were originally stationed there to build schools and infrastucture - there has been an incident where obviously mistakes were made and civilians got killed. Civilians where it's not even clear how many of them were taliban.
in result to that several high ranking officers and the former secretary of defense had to step down. when the same happens in Israel after they killed Palestinian civilians we can start discussing. But not one minute earlier.
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It's not because of the bomb. It's because - at this time - Africa has nothing to offer anyone. The moment they discover oil in Africa, well, that will change.Originally posted by Jesus H Christ
And when we no longer need oil any more.... No one will give a shit about the middle east. The money will dry up. That's when WWIII will start.Herschel Savage
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When you realize that the same people that wrote "A Clean Break" and "A Project for a New American Century" (most of them Jewish most dual citizens) were also at the Top levels of the american government, you can see who's agenda the "western" military is following.
If you havn't read these documents please do.Last edited by mayabong; 05-31-2010, 02:27 PM.Comment
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A world war would have to be massive. At the very least, it would have to involve the US, China, Russia, Europe, and the Middle East. Not gonna happen.
Israel already kicked everyone's ass. In the Arab world they call this "the setback". Israel attacked half a dozen countries, and in a few days had everyone begging them to stop.Herschel Savage
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books have been written about this - I am sure today it would not happen again like it did back then.Originally posted by Jesus H ChristDeveloped beyond this? International law? You must be joking? Where was the EU community or laws when Slobodan Milosevic was running wild slaughtering civilians in your backyard? The EU and the UN did fuck all and then later begged the Americans to put troops on the ground. We did and it all stopped and then you ushered him off into a Euro court were he still sits today.
Meaning, he who has the biggest stick on the playground will always make the rules no matter what laws or morality dictates.
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"He said the soldiers were carrying paintball pistols when they boarded the flotilla, but switched to bullets when a naval commander was stabbed and others were attacked with knives and metal bars."
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ex.html?hpt=T1
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suuuuuure they had paintball guns boarding a ship.
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They were armed with non-lethal riot control weapons but carried side arms with live rounds...when they were being beaten as they roped down to the ship (as the video of the event clearly shows) and when two of the Israeli forces had their pistols taken from them and began receiving fire from them... the other Israeli forces drew their side arms and began using deadly force.
It is being reported that the other five ships allowed boarding and a search of their ships without incident...just this one ship chose to attack the Israeli forces one by one as they roped down.Last edited by theking; 05-31-2010, 02:47 PM.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Hey Retard .... Israel wasn't a country or even a place until 1947 when the british americans and the UN forced the skinny beat Jew fucks that left Israel 100 years earlier back to their so called homeland. Which they lost fair in a war hundreds of years earlier.
So Israel is and has always been in the wrong! I do not agree with the Arab response ie. suicide bombers BUT desperate people will always take the lowest and dirtiest measures to get attention and because this desperation blinds them with hate they do not realize how badly it makes them look.
The fact a bunch of spoiled yank web-masters who's biggest problem is who's site to steal content from to post on their tube site, are making any sort puffed out chest bullshit comments about a conflict you know nothing about except what Glen Beck or CNN (seriously some cunt thinks CNN is a reliable source) is why people laugh when ya'll when you talk world politics.
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First of all I don't defend Israel. Clear? OK.interesting attitude, Dox
to your information: besides german soldiers getting killed by suicide bombers - while they were originally stationed there to build schools and infrastucture - there has been an incident where obviously mistakes were made and civilians got killed. Civilians where it's not even clear how many of them were taliban.
in result to that several high ranking officers and the former secretary of defense had to step down. when the same happens in Israel after they killed Palestinian civilians we can start discussing. But not one minute earlier.
I blame Europeans with facts.
MaDaldon, you bloody Germans, withdraw your fucking German forces from another country, stop killing women and children and then talk about right and wrong. Now you are in the same shit as Israelis.
Changing few officials can't clean your German face off blood. Well done manipulation. Hitler's tactics. Prison these guilty motherfuckers who returened to their happy families and pay millions of compensations to Afghan families. This is your shitty International Laws that protects the killers.
Open your country for mass imigration from Afghanistan. This good land given by god to ppl, not just to germanic barbarians.
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Are you serious or you are one of Muslims from Kosovo? If you are serious that means that you are getting your info on CNN and BBC. US troops are there from one simple reason and that why they are in other parts of world, to conquer, and control with military and take some wealth from conquered nations. Problem is that you don't have info from moment when US and Germany supported and gave arms to Albanians in kosovo and told them to shoot on Serbain police and ask for independence. You know, when something like that happened in Texas,(much less serious) those people were burned alive in house. So believe me, you don't know much about situation there in probably same way like you don't know what were toxicology results about Milosevic death in prison.Originally posted by Jesus H ChristDeveloped beyond this? International law? You must be joking? Where was the EU community or laws when Slobodan Milosevic was running wild slaughtering civilians in your backyard? The EU and the UN did fuck all and then later begged the Americans to put troops on the ground. We did and it all stopped and then you ushered him off into a Euro court were he still sits today.
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Why is this thread 6 pages long?
It was a terrorist act committed in international waters. I hope Israel pays a heavy price for this.Comment
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And that's that. In the near future the greatest weapon of them all will be the video camera.
What I just saw was Israeli troops repelling onto a boat and being instantly attacked. At this moment, the Israeli Navy was justified in using any force required.
How many warnings does a country have to give?
Here's what I would do. I would say "The next time any group of ships give us advanced notice that they are going to run the blockade, we will sink them without warning one hundred miles from the coast". Done.
And the next time it happens say "We told you".Herschel Savage
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What exactly do you think will happen if the Turkish Navy barges through this stupid little blockade? Actually I think it would be quite entertaining to see it.. I imagine Israel not doing shit. But if they do you know damn well what kind of shitstorm that would ignite. But what do you expect from a bunch of religious nutjobs who think someone is coming down from the sky to save them soon... Actually I'm beginning to like the idea the lot of you going somewhere anywhere but here and killing each other off. The World would be a much better place. Just don't expect me to lift a finger to help either side out of so called nationality.Last edited by onwebcam; 05-31-2010, 03:27 PM.PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF.....
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It's a holiday in the US, and most of us aren't working and have nothing to do.
Your right, this was a terrorist act committed in international waters. A group of ships announced they were illegally going to smuggle materials into Gaza, received repeated warnings not to do it, were ordered to stop by a naval warship, and then attacked members of the Israel Navy when they attempted to board the ship in accordance with international law.Herschel Savage
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I see mostly Anglo-Saxons rule the world, some with a black mask on a face.
Germans did their most bloody work in the History without Jews.
England did their bloody work without Jews (after expelling Jews).
There are around 20 million Jews in the world of 7,000,000,000
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Hmm.., following you.., if 1 controlls 350 so I live in the world of stupid monkeys and 20 million thinking orginized in group are men, right? look, I can believe there are 20 million smart guys of all nations (not just Jews) in the world of monkeys. Bad for me, my chances are very small
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