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LadyMischief
Can you cite the volcano eruption comment you made before?Comment
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So you figure all the people that lived through the last "global warming" several thousand years ago could have acted to stop it? I'm sure their pollution was the cause of the problem, aren't you? They must have had some MAD industry going on to bring on a global warming trend that changed the world's coastlines and completely wiped out entire societies of people pretty much overnight. Wow, and here we thought the ancients didn't have technology. :PComment
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I never said that global warming isnt real, I also believe in dinosaurs.
Yeah Im such a right wing nutjob I peddle porn for a living, you dumbass lol.
You just cant accept the fact that your messiah(Al Gore) is just as corrupt and full of shit as the rest of the politicians.Comment
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national review is a piece of biased shit. The point is not the genuineness of numbers, the point is the threat of global warming and THAT is VERY GENUINE.Comment
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At a percentage that ONE major volcanic eruption on the level of say Krakatoa would TOTALLY DECIMATE in one day. It would take MILLENIA for mankind to make that kind of impact. Our negative contribution is just that, a negative contribution. It should be stopped, but even if we stopped it all tomorrow, it would NOT change the natural processes from occurring. And if you do your research, you will also find that the global warming process on MARS has accellerated RIGHT in line with the global warming occuring on earth. How is that possible without some kind of LARGER force playing a big part (like maybe the sun? That can't be possible, the sun just gives us light, right? It doesn't affect terrestrial cycles at all!). How can that all just be swept away under the rug when it IS scientific fact and it DOES have an impact on how we treat global warming on earth? Mars doesn't even have an ATMOSPHERE, so it's not possible that greenhouse gasses are causing that global warming trend. Do you have an answer? Science does.Comment
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God, politics is so boring...
Also, there are other boards around for it.Comment
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Ok lets see if we can talk a little logic here.
For shits and giggles, lets just throw out global warming completely. What are us so called "tree huggers" asking for.
1) energy independance
2) less pollution
so if I read your posts right you are for
1) energy dependance
2) more pollution.
Why would conservative think tanks funded almost totally by oil and coal interests be trying so hard to disprove a theory?
Think back a couple decades and google tobacco companies and cancer.Comment
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Those are dumb obvious questions, the thread was about Al Gore being dishonest about the scope of global warming. Obviously the earth itself has a cooling and warming cycle naturally. I have no problem with being as friendly to the earth as possible BUT not at the expense of human progression. The earth is much more resilient than we give it credit for, life will and HAS adapted to climate changes throughout the ages. Global warming is not an instantly extreme event.
I am for alternative energies, I am for less pollution BUT to exaggerate the problem is not the best method of awareness. Today this movie is being shown in schools across America and that is wrong because it is not educational it is sensational.Comment
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I don't trust Al Gore at all. He was Bill Clinton's butt boy. Where was Al Gore when Bill Clinton was committing his perjury and abuse of power and other crimes? Al Gore was AWOL.
Al Gore has the demeanor of a wooden man and the spine of a jellyfish.
Memo to Al Gore: fuck you.
The jury is still out on global warming. There are natural cycles of hot and cold, and we may be approaching either.. or both.
Still, reducing emissions is a no brainer. Burning fossil fuels adds other pollutants to the air besides CO2 --such as mercury, and everybody agrees that is not a good thing.Comment
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manbabies do not exist...Comment
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I can't find the site with the numbers, and on a general scale volcanic gasses are only contributing a limited amount of co2 and so2 into the atmosphere. However, ONE major supervolcanoe errupting can spew enough gasses into the atmosphere to cause a global "nuclear winter" and it would happen in a matter of hours or days. There is nothing short of nuclear war that humans could do that would contribute that much in that short a timespan. As it stands, we are adding more than volcanoes, but that goes without saying. ONE major volcanic erruption on the scale of vulcanism as it was even hundreds of thousands of years ago would have much more drastic effects. The most important point I was making, however, was that humans are NOT the cause, simply a contributor in a negative way to the overall cycle. We can speed up the process (to a VERY limited extent), but eventally planet earth will find it's temperature cap, and the trend will go colder, not hotter. Remember, the earth is a closed system, these processes have been going on since long before man was here, and they will continue when we are gone.
There are a lot more factors involved than just carbon dioxide in global warming.. This site has a crash course on causes of climate change:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7y.html
Water vapor is more of a contributor to global warming than even carbon dioxide, and this isn't something we can't neccessarily control. In fact, scientists are happy to state that water vapor is the NUMBER ONE "greenhouse gas" and the one that really gets the rest of the ball rolling.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...0_warming.html
http://www.nov55.com/ntyg.html
http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm
I say again, we should be doing what we can to stop pollution, but to stay that humans are the sole cause of it and to fool people into thinking they can make the process stop happening is ridiculous. We can stop pollution tomorrow and the cycle will still happen, maybe a little more slowly (by a year or two?), but it is inevitable. I don't believe in lying to people to make them do what you want them to... Governments and religion do it all the time. Wouldn't it be nice though, to live in a world where people told you the REAL problems instead of the ones they want to manipulate you with?
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Apparently you didn't read the posts I made that pollution WAS bad. you make a lot of broad assumptions here for someone who hasn't brought more than their own opinion to the arguement. The fact is pollution IS bad, I would love to see people stop polluting the plant, killing off animal species, creating ocean dead zones, land dead zones, and making people sick with all the crap that's out there. MY point is that global warming is a natural process, it will happen regardless of if we are contributing or not. These government officials would be far better off trying to tackle the problem on realistic grounds, instead of simply trying to frighten people with propeganda.
Wouldn't it be refreshing if they said "Ok, global warming is a fact, we are making the problem somewhat worse, but we can't stop the process. Let's do what we can to reduce pollution so that the world can live in relative better health, and let's start planning for the future that science and simple geological historical fact tells us is coming, and work together towards that goal". Not the fear-mongering and extremist stuff happening now. For all the people trumpeting the cause of stopping humans contribution to greenhouse gasses, I would think their time would be better spent on finding ways to educate the masses in GENERAL on the little things they can do every day to contribute in a positive way to the world pollution problem. And it goes a lot further than not driving vehicles powered by fossel fuels... there are lot of changes people can make in simple relative terms that would make a huge difference in the world. But it will never come to that.. People are inherantly lazy, and they expect the government to fix it for them. There's no "fix" to this problem, only things that you or I or everyone can do to try to help make it better for our kids. I wonder how much the UN spent to put out their global climate report.. and how much better that money could have been spent on simply educating people about the truth, instead of causing global panic and a huge "emergency" that has no fix in the forseeable future.Comment
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Global warming was a threat to the people that lived through the last mini ice-age thousands of years ago too. The warming trend that ended that ice-age killed countless people and completely overturned the world for many. It's no more and no less a threat now than it was then, people will survive just as they did then. The process and the threat are real and genuine, but the perception of our contribution to it is not. Humans aren't doing the world any favors, but they aren't the major catalyst for the changes. If more people would realize this they would stop feeling so damn helpless ("it's too big for me to do anything about") and they might start actually taking action.Comment
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I didn't call you a right wing nutjob, I called the publication. Just read through it. They have a writer who is such a religious nut that he has stated multiple times that dinosaurs never existed and are all made up by fake scientists. It makes it tough to believe the "science" of people like that.
I don't give a shit about Gore, and I personally can care less about this issue. Republicans pretend it doesn't exist because they need the oil money (and their sheep followers will back them). Democrats pretend the world is coming to an end so that they can push all this environmental crap down everyone's throat (and their sheep followers will back them). The actual facts are probably somewhere in the middle.Comment
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Imagine what those billions we have spent on iraq could have done for investing in alternative fuels.More like the people who donate to our government are fucking greedy assholes and don't care what happens to the planet. I always wonder what they think it's gonna be like for their grandchildren, or do they just not care.Comment
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Yep, I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's not just on this subject where sensationalism and political agenda have overthrown the entire heart of the issue and taken center stage. I have never ever believed that it was ok for people to abuse mother earth.. I think it's sick and wrong, and I know for myself I do what I can to do what I feel will make a positive contribution to the world my kids will inherit when I die. Seems that the guys with all the power and control of the money have better ideas. It's a damn shame, and unfortunately, no matter what side of the fence you fall on this matter, not a bit of it is going to make a lick of difference, and I highly doubt things are going to change anytime soon without some major catalyst or catastrophe to make it happen. This has always been the lesson that history has taught us about humanity, and humanity is the factor in these situations that is the constant.Comment
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Do MOST scientists really feel this? Or do the scientists that speak the loudest or are allowed to speak the loudest feel this? Have you clicked a single link or read a single article I posted? MOST climatologists don't feel that humans CAUSE global warming. Did humans cause the other global warming trends that have gripped this planet for MILLIONS of years? Please tell me these warming trends were cause by people too, then? They must have been, the cycle obviously couldn't happen without people, according to the scientists you refer to. All of paleoclimatology must be a big conspiracy.
Here's a great link for you to read, see what one of the experts that was FORMERLY a contributor to the UN reports has to say about the matter... And why you ask is he no longer contributing to the reports? Read the article and it will raise a few eyebrows I'm sure.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/s...cd20bed2f6&k=0Last edited by LadyMischief; 02-25-2007, 11:12 AM.Comment
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Stop clouding the issue with your 'charts' and 'data' - the important things to know about Global Warming are Al Gore selling DVDs, US domestic politics and ammunition for drunken late night arguments - can't you see that?A global warming pretty much always preceeds a global COOLING period, I hope everyone has their parkas ready..
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...leobefore.htmlI died.Comment
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Exactly - in the mid 70's there was a *panic* about it.
Pollution is bad, m'kay? No one is arguing that.
But scientists in each generation *think* they know enough to be able to provide complete and exact answers and predictions about global events - and 25 years later, when science has advanced, much of what they've *known* turns out to be based on the outdated or incomplete science of their day. Al Gore's forthcoming Oscar has nothing to do with that.
I just hope everyone in western New York has dug out from their 3-4 feet of global warming
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Ok. Most people agree that humans aren't the sole cause of global warming, and Al Gore's movie didn't say humans were the sole cause. The movie said that humans are contributing - a lot, which is possible.I can't find the site with the numbers, and on a general scale volcanic gasses are only contributing a limited amount of co2 and so2 into the atmosphere. However, ONE major supervolcanoe errupting can spew enough gasses into the atmosphere to cause a global "nuclear winter" and it would happen in a matter of hours or days. There is nothing short of nuclear war that humans could do that would contribute that much in that short a timespan. As it stands, we are adding more than volcanoes, but that goes without saying. ONE major volcanic erruption on the scale of vulcanism as it was even hundreds of thousands of years ago would have much more drastic effects. The most important point I was making, however, was that humans are NOT the cause, simply a contributor in a negative way to the overall cycle. We can speed up the process (to a VERY limited extent), but eventally planet earth will find it's temperature cap, and the trend will go colder, not hotter. Remember, the earth is a closed system, these processes have been going on since long before man was here, and they will continue when we are gone.
There are a lot more factors involved than just carbon dioxide in global warming.. This site has a crash course on causes of climate change:
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7y.html
Water vapor is more of a contributor to global warming than even carbon dioxide, and this isn't something we can't neccessarily control. In fact, scientists are happy to state that water vapor is the NUMBER ONE "greenhouse gas" and the one that really gets the rest of the ball rolling.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...0_warming.html
http://www.nov55.com/ntyg.html
http://www.john-daly.com/artifact.htm
I say again, we should be doing what we can to stop pollution, but to stay that humans are the sole cause of it and to fool people into thinking they can make the process stop happening is ridiculous. We can stop pollution tomorrow and the cycle will still happen, maybe a little more slowly (by a year or two?), but it is inevitable. I don't believe in lying to people to make them do what you want them to... Governments and religion do it all the time. Wouldn't it be nice though, to live in a world where people told you the REAL problems instead of the ones they want to manipulate you with?
And the volcano thing... yes, one volcano can mess things up, but it hasn't happened recently. I don't know if you meant a super-volcano when you made your industrial age comment, so I won't assume. What I was concerned with is if you meant 'any' volcanic eruption.Comment
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Now read without the word dog.Comment
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This is from Making Globalization Work by Nobel Prize-winning author Joseph Stiglitz.There will be grave problems ahead if everybody emits greenhouse gases at the rate at which Americans have been doing so. The good news is that this is, by now, almost universally recognized, except in some quarters in Washington; but the adjustments in lifestyles will not be easy.ICQ: 267899523
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As a side note, I can find any number of people to say that the holocaust never happened, that Fidel Castro is a great economist, and that Saddam Hussein was a nice guy that never hurt anyone.
Of course, none of those things are true. But someone would say them, and some people even have the balls to write reports about them.
A "report" doesn't make things true, it just means someone was stupid enough to think it.Comment
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I don't like Gore.
I hate greenpeace environmental hippies.
But, I do think this global warming shit is real. Whats happening now is a propaganda war, backed by oil company lobbiestsComment
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I just stepped outside and feel that Al Gore is right.
How difficult can it be? How much warmer should it get before you are convinced?
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The nice thing about this whole argument (politics and BS "fact citings" aside) is that in 17 years it wont make a difference in the scheme of things - when the world runs totally out of oil - the wars and power mongering that will go on then will completely wipe out the humans faster than any change in global temperatures could in that time frame.
Im glad I wont be around to experience that time - the full life dependence that so many people in this world have put on oil is the part thats scary - and I hate to think what a world population will look like without planes, cars and semis - but then maybe its more important to go shut down another nuke plant so that the Iranians cant have any electrical power to live on
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Global warming is not based on local temperatures, rather, it is based on the overall global climate conditions compared with historical data.ICQ: 267899523
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Canada would do very well to experience an increase of temperature. We can move up and use our full Country....finally. So what's the problem, I mean really?I shoot video.
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Change happens, end of story! The fact is that no matter how much information you have or studies you do, no one is be able to predict what exactly will happen with a system as complex as the Earth's climate.
Does the government play a role in BSing us? Sure! That is what governments do. As for listening to what scientists think, or studies say; I would suggest taking them with as much credibility as an informative post on this board!Comment
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Whatever regarding the political and economical aspects around it...
As long as we can have hydrogen and solar power trimmed close to
perfection, we can avoid further environmental disasters...
Imagine the developing parts of the world scaling UP on their use
of fossil fuels...
We need to be able to "lead the way" for them, by making sure
they can afford the technology rather than resorting to fossil fuels.
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