Frankie (KSCANS, KCASH) -> CHEATER!

Hmm, I was thinking about signing up to kcash. What happened?

We need more details

Spill the whole story -

hi phill. if you have problems regarding kcash you can always contact me at ICQ 152293013. throwing out accusations like these without proof means 0.
kcash payouts are always on time and in full for all the honest partners. anyone that has problems can contact me and we can solve it out.
and btw, i wished there more people like frankie in this bussiness.

yep i support you on this one ffmihai. cause i haved worked on this guys before on some designs for them and they pay me good and they are also good people as well. more power to the kcans guys especially frankie and hope you can fix this thing

wow $4K is a alot of money buddy . hope you can fix things up with frankie of kscans. more power to you as well

K, here's the whole story:

I'm the owner of Smokin Movies. Frankie started buying gallery spots on my MGP in early 2006. At first he had a lesser spot for a couple of months and did pay me on time, every time.
Now the thing is that the vast majority of my experiences with spot buyers are very good. Almost all of them are very trustworthy guys and that has made me a trustful guy over the years. If someone pays me a couple of times, I start to trust him and don't check my bank account every time a payment from him is due. I just assume that the payment will be made.
And if not, I just let the person who owes me money know and he will be like "oh sorry, I totally forgot about it, you'll get the money asap" and everything's fine.
This has worked very well for me so far, with minor exceptions, till I started doing business with Frankie.
In June 2006 he started buying an additional spot on Smokin Movies and then bounced 6 payments in a row. I realized that in November 2006 (stupid, careless me, I know).
I then told him that there was a lot of money missing and he said he'll look into it. But nothing happened. I contacted him again, again and again, and asked for the money and he kept putting me off.
In late December I finally got impatient and told him that i now want the money by the beginning of January. Then he said that he's not going to work for KTEAM in January anymore which made me think "Ohhhh no.... you got ripped off" for the first time. I then got even clearer and told him that he HAS to take care of that issue. I continuously sent him ICQ messages, I even saw him online on ICQ when I sent them but he ignored me ever since.

To put that long story short again:
Someone presents himself as an honest businessman. You start to trust him and he abuses your trust really bad. He bounces payments, again and again, and when you ask for the money, you virtually see the guy laughing at you "haha dumbass, there's nothing you can do about it. it's your own fault to trust people like that" while he steadily ignores you.

I don't see how I could have mistaken the whole thing or which misunderstanding could account for it.
He owes me money, $4k, he knows about it, I tell him to pay me, SO OFTEN, and nothing happens.

If you made good experiences with Frankie, good for you! I didn't. In my case there's not much space left for interpretation.
I GOT CHEATED!

Doesn't sound good

ouch, ive done some work for him, hope u get sorted.

You might of been screwed over but you're an idiot for not watching your money closer.

=

That idiocy has brought me quite a few fertile long term business relationships over the years which made me far more money than I could ever lose with cheaters.
People like to feel trusted. And not watching your money like a fussy bureaucrat every time you await a payment (from people who always paid before) is an aspect of that trust I think.

And what's the point of pointing that out again anyway? I admitted that myself before, in Frankie's case, I was an idiot. But the way you say it, it kind of feels like "who can blame the stabber? if you're naive enough to not watch your back..."

That attitude seems to become more and more common. Sad, sad.


Ok but what would really be interesting would be a contribution of Frankie himself to this thread. He apparently didn't quit working for Kscans in January as he claimed, his last post on GFY was 4 days ago. I also still see him online on ICQ.
But silence says a lot as well of course...

??????

Dear Guys,Phil,

We are paying many thousands of dollars monthly for traffic and spots and none ever complained. We are on all major traffic sources and we always pay. Many people know us and I dont think someone can complain for not beeing payed. Coming with this msg that we did not pay you after 6 months is really phatetic! Our final statement in this thread is that we dont know what you are talking about, sorry. Anyone having problems not beeing payed can contact us directly! Kcash is a serious company always looking for new affiliate partners!

This is our last word will not write anymore and anything to this thread!

Kind regards

Woaaah Frankie, now that is really, really harsh. You are truly one daring liar! And with what you just said you made it real easy for me to expose you.
Saying that you don't know what I'm talking about is just plain bullshit.
I mean you could have come up with some phony excuse, but by claiming that you really disqualify yourself.

I still have each and every word we ever spoke to each other in my ICQ history. I'm going to prepare a couple of excerpts now which clearly proof that you did buy spots on Smokin Movies, which spots you bought, how often you bought them and that I haven't been paid.

The excerpts are in german, but I'll translate them and put them (+ the original german versions) up here asap.

If anyone working with Kscans starts getting concerned now about the credibility of Frankie and Kscans, you can also contact me directly via ICQ (176901581) and I'll send you a copy of the ICQ history file.

we are...we are... we are..., yes we are ... we are..
-----> why are YOU and not we the topic of those drama thread ?

pay your 4k bill you fucking twat.

phil is a good guy and has awesome traffic.

ADG Webmaster

Did they ask for those ads every month? Or did you just create the ad and then expect money. or did the checks bounce? I am confused.

Ok, here are 2 excerpts from our ICQ conversations which clearly proof that Frankie does know VERY well what I'm talking about.

There are a few things that I'd like to point your attention to before you read them:

1) He's always talking about an "english company" that is responsible for all payments and that he only works for. But he always presents himself as the CEO of Kscans. Kind of inconsistent...

2) Apparently he didn't quit working for (respectively owning, lol) Kscans in January.

3) He clearly admits that the payments for the spots have been transferred falsely, to another recipient and therefore still owes me the money. I'm pretty sure that excuse was just another lie, but after all it's completely irrelevant since that doesn't change anything about the fact that he owes me money. He also clearly says he'd clarify that issue. Of course that didn't happen so far. And to now even claim to know nothing about the whole affair is the acme of swindle.

PART 1

Datum und Uhrzeit: 11/26/2006 05:52 PM
Sie haben eine Nachricht gesendet an Frankie (you sent a message to Frankie)

hey frankie
wie sieht es aus? gibt es schon neuigkeiten wegen dem geld?

(how's it going? are there any news regarding the money?)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 11/26/2006 08:43 PM
Sie haben eine Nachricht empfangen von Frankie (you received a message from Frankie)

hi phil

das geld wurde 6 monate lang falsch ueberwiesen
england versucht das geld vom Empaenger zurueckzubekommen
der scheint aber erstemal nicht zu melden

(the money has been transferred falsely for 6 months
england is trying to get the money back from the recipient
but he doesn't seem to answer)

PART 2

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 10:46 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht empfangen von Frankie (you received a message from Frankie)

hallo
für die Bezahlung ist leider nur die englsiche Firma zusatendig
ich kann dafür schwirig aussagen machen
die sich noch am abzuklaeren wegen der laten Zahlung

(the english company is responsible for the payments
i can't say anything about that
they are still clarifying the late payment)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 10:54 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht gesendet an Frankie (you sent a message to Frankie)

[...] ich hab sehr viel verstaendnis dafuer, das die ganze sache problematisch fuer die englische firma ist und hab auch viel geduld, aber mittlerweile warte ich doch schon sehr lange auf das geld und ob ich es bekomme haengt ja schliesslich auch nicht davon ab, ob die englische firma das geld von
demjenigen zurueckbekommt, dem sie es faelschlich ueberwiesen haben.

(i understand that the whole thing is a problem for the english
company and i have quite a lot of patience, but i have been waiting for quite a long time now and if i get it or not doesn't depend on wether they get the
money back from the guy they falsely transferred it to.)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 10:56 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht empfangen von Frankie (you received a message from Frankie)

werde mal schauen,ich bin aber nicht mehr ab 1sten Januar bei der Firma wie das aussieht
gebe Dir Kontakt wen Du in deiser Sache kontaktieren kannst

(i'll see, but i won't work for that company anymore from january 1st on. i'll tell you who you can contact)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 11:01 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht gesendet an Frankie (you sent a message to Frankie)

koenntest du das bis dahin bitte noch mit denen klaeren? ich hab das alles bisher mit dir besprochen und die wissen wahrscheinlich gar nicht genau um was es geht. ich moechte das die mir das geld anfang januar ueberweisen!
tut mir leid das die sache für die unguenstig gelaufen ist aber mein fehler war es ja nun schliesslich nicht.
ihr habt euch einverstanden erklaert bei mir spots zu kaufen, die galleries wurden gelistet und das muss auch bezahlt werden.

(can you please clarify that with them? i have only spoken to you so far and they probably don't exactly know what this is about. i want them to send me the money till the beginning of january!
i'm sorry that the whole thing went bad for them but it wasn't my mistake.
you agreed on buying spots on my site, your galleries got listed and that has to be paid.)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 11:02 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht empfangen von Frankie (you received a message from Frankie)

ich werde versuchen mit Denen das zu kaleren

(i'll try to clarify that)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 11:03 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht gesendet an Frankie (you sent a message to Frankie)

alles klar danke, mach das bitte bis januar!

(alright thanks, please do that till january!)

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 11:03 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht empfangen von Frankie (you received a message from Frankie)

ok

Frankie, I'm afraid you've already won the battle for the payments last December. I don't think I'll ever get the money you owe me.
But you're about to lose the war for you credibility. With pretending to be unaware of what my accusations are about you made things even worse for you.
I really hope that some people who might have worked with you (Kscans) in the future read this and stay away from you now and that those who are currently working with you think at least twice before trusting you again.

@Fris: Thanks for the support

@IllTestYourGirls: I asked him every month if he wants to renew the expired gallery spots and he always said yes and promised that the money would be sent. Checks were not involved, he said he'll wire the money.

Interesting thread... I made a thread not to long ago about being scammed by someone here and when i did a whois of their domain it came back with the Kscans info...
I hope you get your money I know what its like to be kept waiting.

good luck man.

Hope you get your money dude!

I think I will believe Phil on this one, and I'll add Kcash to my scammers/nopay list , Phil good luck and I hope you get your money

I've worked with Frankie for the past year or so and he has always paid me on time. Never had a problem once

Yea man thats really your own fault, you have to make time to check each and every payment made to you, or else you get shady fucks like this.

Yeah it really appears the "i don't know anything about this" is a complete lie. and when it's sealed with the classic "i won't post anymore in this thread", it's pretty damning

pays what you own to this guy....
got scammed too many times (not that much reall but enough to know when to say GFY and pay!)

Aha, aha. Looks like someone is using deliberate scam tactics here. That info really doesn't make the whole Kscans milieu seem less shady...

@Aussie Rebel and the other recent posters: thanks for the backing!
You can't go wrong with adding Kscans and those related with them to your scammer list.
Especially after the interesting conversation I just had with ffmihai (the guy who said "anyone who has problems with kcash can contact me" earlier in this thread).
The fact that he defended Frankie's honesty and ignorance about the affair with me so resolutely seemed somewhat strange. I then sent him a copy of the original excerpts from my ICQ talks with Frankie (he accepted the file transfer!) but he still didn't want to acknowledge Frankie's knowing about the payments.
That does clearly unmask him as a complice or at least a confidant of Frankie.
And that also means that the few pro-Frankie posters here are probably all his confidants. At least Frankie and ffmihai were easy to expose, thanks to their imprudent statements. Maybe they shouldn't have skipped their logic classes, lol.

hope this eventually gets solved, phil gonna signup for a traffic trade with my new squirting site later today.

Sure Fris, np

seems all things are quite clear to understand now. anyways hope you can fix this thing with frankie. cause your payment price is way too higher than my previous design work transaction with frankie before, since i did'nt design for him anymore right now.

more power to you always and wish you the luck with this one.

Phil is a top notch guy!

Sq

ive worked with kcash in the past and they always paid, but sorry to hear about your situation.. hope they get it sorted out

Thanks again to the supporters!

And about the "hope you get it solved" comments:
That's nice of you, but by now I doubt that there's even a slight chance of solving that issue.
Except of that trivial post in this thread that could also have been written by a bot (maybe he thought that would seem professional), I haven't heard back from Frankie since 12/19/2006 (He's online again on ICQ right now ). He isn't even trying to get the affair sorted. He chooses to remain silent and probably hopes this thread and the people's awareness of the whole scamming issue is sooner or later going down the drain.
Also talking to his associate ffmihai (at least he did talk to me) turned out to be a waste of time. He's just stubbornly covering Frankie and is not amenable to arguments.

Though he did make another unwary statement while we talked which is quite interesting again:

ffmihai (01:02 PM) :
first of all you should know that frankie does all the payments regarding kcash

which is the exact opposite of what Frankie told me back in December:

Datum und Uhrzeit: 12/19/2006 10:46 AM
Sie haben eine Nachricht empfangen von Frankie (you received a message from Frankie)

hallo
für die Bezahlung ist leider nur die englsiche Firma zusatendig
ich kann dafür schwirig aussagen machen
die sich noch am abzuklaeren wegen der laten Zahlung

(the english company is responsible for the payments
i can't say anything about that
they are still clarifying the late payment)

Hilarious...

Some people appear to have had luck with them and got paid. That makes Kscans incalculable selective scammers then. Either way, it should have become clear that there's one thing they most certainly are not: trustworthy.
Reason enough to keep a VERY close eye on them in case you decide to work with them despite of reading this thread.
I really feel taken for a ride, seeing Frankie and his companion online and being ignored all the way or mocked with the pointless claim of ignorance of the affair.
Make sure that doesn't happen to you!

Just a quick update, cuz that's just too funny:

These idiots just tried to buy traffic from me again! Unfuckingbelievable Did you Kcash dumbasses really think I forgot the whole issue by now??

wow that sucks man....hopefully u learned ur lesson..

Pay Phil his money you Nazi assholes!