Letter sent to Stigamot (Icelantic Rape center resp. for canceling snowgathering)

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  • Shoehorn!
    Die With Your Boots On
    • Oct 2003
    • 22872

    #51
    Originally posted by tony404
    great letter, I wouldnt expect a phone call. Groups like that dont do well with rational thought, its easier to make shit up.
    Exactly. It is a real shame that this group had to resort to lies, if anything it will only discredit their future work and make most Icelandic people resent them. Not a very smart move.

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    • Brad Mitchell
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2001
      • 9813

      #52
      Great letter Scott. I am sure someone in the media will pick up the post since they're all reading GFY now. If not, that's okay too. It's enough to know that you did the right thing - and we all know it too

      The only concern that I have is that it's so much more fun when the board "sheep" are in the dark and think that you're mean, insensitive and unintelligent! If you keep being yourself they're going to start loving to love you instead of loving to hate you. LOL

      Cheers,

      Brad
      President at MojoHost | brad at mojohost dot com | Skype MojoHostBrad
      71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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      • JayDeeZee
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2006
        • 3595

        #53
        Scott, I truely commend you on how well you've represented yourself and the adult online community as a whole.

        Thank you

        Jerrott

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        • SleazyDream
          I'm here for SPORT
          • Jul 2001
          • 41470

          #54
          Originally posted by WarChild
          "...in an effort of corporation,"

          sad they never contacted me ever - just accused
          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

          Now read without the word dog.

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          • SleazyDream
            I'm here for SPORT
            • Jul 2001
            • 41470

            #55
            Originally posted by Shoehorn!
            Exactly. It is a real shame that this group had to resort to lies, if anything it will only discredit their future work and make most Icelandic people resent them. Not a very smart move.
            that's probally the part that saddens me the most about this. Victems of sexual abuse need a place to go and when the leaders of a home that does something that's soo good for society like this one does goes and commits acts of terrorism against people they have never even met or spoken to it can hurt the good work they are trying to do that needs to be done.
            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

            Now read without the word dog.

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            • Pleasurepays
              BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
              • Aug 2002
              • 11913

              #56
              Originally posted by Shoehorn!
              Exactly. It is a real shame that this group had to resort to lies, if anything it will only discredit their future work and make most Icelandic people resent them. Not a very smart move.
              i doubt thats true at all. they don't care about facts. thats like saying "PETA is violent and full of crap, so they won't have any members" - people believe in things that make them feel better about themselves and their existence... fact, reality and reason often play no role in those beliefs.

              In Iceland, some angry women who have been abused and traumatized, found an external object to direct their anger and place blame for their pain... it was convienently an outside cause, a foreign cause and something far away that they will never have to directly confront with reasoned and rational debate... and they won. in their minds, they feel a small victory in what will no doubt, be a lifelong battle with their own demons. there is great irony in the idea of some sort of success on their part. tomorrow, they will still be hurting, troubled and in pain. tomorrow, the porn industry will remain totally unchanged.





              PS - was a great letter by the way.

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              • Tom_PM
                Porn Meister
                • Feb 2005
                • 16443

                #57
                Very good letter.
                The media lumps legal adult entertainment and illegal stuff all of the time, but even thats no excuse for them to not do their homework.
                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                • SleazyDream
                  I'm here for SPORT
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 41470

                  #58
                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                  i doubt thats true at all. they don't care about facts. thats like saying "PETA is violent and full of crap, so they won't have any members" - people believe in things that make them feel better about themselves and their existence... fact, reality and reason often play no role in those beliefs.

                  In Iceland, some angry women who have been abused and traumatized, found an external object to direct their anger and place blame for their pain... it was convienently an outside cause, a foreign cause and something far away that they will never have to directly confront with reasoned and rational debate... and they won. in their minds, they feel a small victory in what will no doubt, be a lifelong battle with their own demons. there is great irony in the idea of some sort of success on their part. tomorrow, they will still be hurting, troubled and in pain. tomorrow, the porn industry will remain totally unchanged.





                  PS - was a great letter by the way.
                  tomorrow there will be more porn than there would have been before cause i and the other people slated to go are now not going on a vacation..
                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                  Now read without the word dog.

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                  • Huggles
                    GFY'S #1 retard
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 12582

                    #59
                    Nice letter Sleazy.
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                    • Pleasurepays
                      BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 11913

                      #60
                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                      tomorrow there will be more porn than there would have been before cause i and the other people slated to go are now not going on a vacation..
                      not only that, but they probably single handedly cause www.stigamottgp.com www.stigamotbabes.com and www.stigamotmilfs.com to come into existence

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                      • SleazyDream
                        I'm here for SPORT
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 41470

                        #61
                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                        not only that, but they probably single handedly cause www.stigamottgp.com www.stigamotbabes.com and www.stigamotmilfs.com to come into existence
                        oh my god - and DUKE needs to produce it
                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                        Now read without the word dog.

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                        • WarChild
                          Let slip the dogs of war.
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 17263

                          #62
                          Originally posted by SleazyDream
                          sad they never contacted me ever - just accused
                          No, I don't expect they will contact you. It's much harder to be irrational if bhoth sides of an issure are represented.
                          .

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                          • KrisKross
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 5025

                            #63
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            Looks to me like he did . . I did not notice any errors.

                            Well written, Scott.
                            Err... the use of "effect" vs "affect". "Manor" vs "manner". Lack of commas. That's just to name a few.

                            Irrelevant, though. It's a great letter. Hopefully, it'll have some sort of an effect.

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                            • TheSenator
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 13330

                              #64
                              Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                              not only that, but they probably single handedly cause www.stigamottgp.com www.stigamotbabes.com and www.stigamotmilfs.com to come into existence


                              Nice and say they bring it on to themselves.
                              ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                              • HizAzPhun
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 470

                                #65
                                Edited version of the letter below, in case you decide to send it to the media. There's still a few blips and run-ons, but I'd say it's 90% correct now ;)

                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                ---------------
                                Congratulations.

                                You seem to have won and can celebrate a victory.

                                Being lied about and socially ostracized like I have been recently in the Icelandic media by your organization, I now have an idea how it must feel to be powerless against irrational, uncontrollable anger.

                                In effect, you basically denied a Canadian with Icelandic roots and no criminal record the ability to visit the land of his forefathers for a vacation. Something I have looked forward to for many years.

                                Did you affect the operations of the online adult industry at all? No. You interrupted the vacation time of some website owners who run legal operations. You had the opportunity to meet and discuss (with many of the highest traffic websites in the world) your concerns, but instead you chose to pass. You avoided the opportunity to effect what may have been positive change in the industry, and opted instead for terrorist tactics and lies, and had us cancel our vacation time so we could stay home and work more.

                                I honestly would have liked to have met with representatives of your organization to see if there was anything we could do in our operations to be more sensitive to the needs of groups like yours. I currently work with several groups and adhere to principles and practices that we helped to establish for many businesses in the online adult community. ASACP.com is one of them, please check out this organization's website.

                                I honestly feel your behavior in this matter only sets up an environment of hate, revenge and mistrust. I hope that you can overcome your anger someday, and I feel that if you ever wish to break the chains of oppression it will be done with agreements, understanding and rational negotiation.

                                Knowing the horrors many of you have gone though, I can forgive you for this overzealous behavior, and hope that in your hearts you have the courage to one day sit down and talk with myself, or other representatives of the online adult community, to discuss viewpoints and hopefully incorporate change and understanding for both of us in a more positive direction.

                                If you ever come to Canada I would be happy to extend an invitation to representatives of your organization to lunch or dinner and discuss this further in a civil manner. On me.

                                I wish only the best for the people in your recovery centers and feel for the horrors they had to experience.

                                Please accept my apology for the stress this vacation gathering has caused your organization.

                                Someday I hope we can move towards change. As a suggestion, maybe in the future you can contact organizations like snowagthering or myself directly with your concerns before going to the media, in an effort of cooperation, goodwill and trust.

                                I pray you have the courage to read this and the integrity to respond.
                                Somehow I doubt it . Please prove me wrong.

                                Scott Hjorleifson
                                SleazyDream.com
                                ph 204 294 8883
                                Last edited by HizAzPhun; 02-24-2007, 09:49 AM.
                                see sig.

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                                • Shoehorn!
                                  Die With Your Boots On
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 22872

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                  oh my god - and DUKE needs to produce it

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                                  • SleazyDream
                                    I'm here for SPORT
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 41470

                                    #67
                                    we should all throw in and have Duke produce it and send it to them as a thank you!
                                    This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                    Now read without the word dog.

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                                    • High Plains Drifter
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2005
                                      • 2341

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by baddog
                                      Looks to me like he did . . I did not notice any errors.
                                      haha don't you work with press releases? There's at least a dozen errors.

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                                      • SleazyDream
                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 41470

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by High Plains Drifter
                                        haha don't you work with press releases? There's at least a dozen errors.
                                        reporters need to do something when handed a story without any work
                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                        • emjay
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2004
                                          • 4280

                                          #70
                                          I believe this fiasco represents an interesting PR opportunity for our industry as a whole.

                                          This story has all the incredients of an interesting story in mainsteam media in other (non-nordic) countries - a nice little sex drama combo that I am sure the tabloids would pick up on.

                                          This would highlight PETA's ignorance on porn, Radisson's hyprocracy, and highlight that through ACACP the industry is working to help combat child porn.

                                          We could also throw in that far from exploiting women, porn actually celebrates women in all their wonderful shapes and sizes - unlike mainstrean, which does not.

                                          A properly structured PR could actually turn this whole thing to our advantage, not to mention some nice publicity for Freeones and Sleazy
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                                          • Major (Tom)
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Nov 2003
                                            • 32492

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                            oh my god - and DUKE needs to produce it

                                            LOL thumbs up

                                            Duke

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                                            • HAPPYPEEKERS
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 7566

                                              #72
                                              Very nice letter!
                                              Please Read All Of My Posts In A Sarcastic Tone So You Get The Full Effect!!



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                                              • SleazyDream
                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                • Jul 2001
                                                • 41470

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by emjay
                                                I believe this fiasco represents an interesting PR opportunity for our industry as a whole.

                                                This story has all the incredients of an interesting story in mainsteam media in other (non-nordic) countries - a nice little sex drama combo that I am sure the tabloids would pick up on.

                                                This would highlight PETA's ignorance on porn, Radisson's hyprocracy, and highlight that through ACACP the industry is working to help combat child porn.

                                                We could also throw in that far from exploiting women, porn actually celebrates women in all their wonderful shapes and sizes - unlike mainstrean, which does not.

                                                A properly structured PR could actually turn this whole thing to our advantage, not to mention some nice publicity for Freeones and Sleazy
                                                we've both been trying to do this
                                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                                • Jman
                                                  Already an AI veteran
                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                  • 22834

                                                  #74
                                                  Great letter Scott. Any response from anyone yet?
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                                                  • SleazyDream
                                                    I'm here for SPORT
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 41470

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by JMan
                                                    Great letter Scott. Any response from anyone yet?
                                                    not a word. that would take courage, these are terrorists. they don't reply
                                                    This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                    Now read without the word dog.

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                                                    • Gunni
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                      • 2385

                                                      #76
                                                      very good letter mate!
                                                      I'm in Iceland in August, come over then and I'll show you around!

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                                                      • Gunni
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                        • 2385

                                                        #77
                                                        very good letter mate!
                                                        I'm in Iceland in August, come over then and I'll show you around!

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