Why didn?t we warn Japan we would use the bomb if they didn?t surrender?

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  • webmasterchecks
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    • Oct 2006
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    #51
    Two early critics of the bombings were Albert Einstein and Leo Szilard, who had together spurred the first bomb research in 1939 with a jointly written letter to President Roosevelt. Szilard, who had gone on to play a major role in the Manhattan Project, argued:

    "Let me say only this much to the moral issue involved: Suppose Germany had developed two bombs before we had any bombs. And suppose Germany had dropped one bomb, say, on Rochester and the other on Buffalo, and then having run out of bombs she would have lost the war. Can anyone doubt that we would then have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and that we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them?."[50]
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      • Pleasurepays
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        #52
        Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
        aha!!!

        took me a fucking hour to find it, but here:


        The United States expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use in the third week of August, with three more in September and a further three in October.[33]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki
        i guess i was wrong... it wasn't tokyo that was a primary target.. it was "Kokura"

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          • baddog
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            • Apr 2001
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            #53
            Originally posted by notabook
            Hmmm... multitude of possibilities. It seems to give some credence that it was some sort of timetable rather than a second bomb that caused the surrender, however. If we could vaporize one city instantaneously did they magically think we could not do another? No.. that would be silly. A second bomb shouldn?t have had that much more of an impact than the first.
            Your logic(?) escapes me.

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              • SomeCreep
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                #54
                Because we wanted to nuke the japanese people, not just radiate their land.

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                  • baddog
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                    • Apr 2001
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                    #55
                    Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
                    aha!!!

                    took me a fucking hour to find it, but here:


                    The United States expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use in the third week of August, with three more in September and a further three in October.[33]
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki
                    So, we should have just kept killing them off one at a time, and losing more of our soldiers while we waited?

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                      • Dirty Dane
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                        • Feb 2004
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                        #56
                        They were warned, but couldn't read english.

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                          • Pleasurepays
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                            #57
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            So, we should have just kept killing them off one at a time, and losing more of our soldiers while we waited?
                            its also worth pointing out that Japan did not surrender after the first bomb. Japan only surrendered after the second bomb because Russia was getting ready to invade them as well. The US was also planning an invasion of Japan.

                            People make it sound like they were just a bunch of happy go lucky people, hanging out, smoking weed, catching butterflies and playing hacky sack until out of the blue, the US decided to murder them. The fact is that Japan had comitted more attrocities than Nazi Germany and had ZERO intent of surrendering. Senior Japanese military officers were also planning to kidnap the Emporer himself (or attempted to) to make sure there was no surrender.

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                              • notabook
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                                #58
                                Originally posted by baddog
                                Your logic(?) escapes me.
                                I don't see how it does..? If you have the most powerful weapon on Earth (which Japan did not believe America had) and use it once (which proved to Japan America had it), that should be more than enough to show your enemy what you are capable of. Why would dropping two, three, four or more bombs have any effect beyond the initial bomb? Sure it's devastating the second time, but no more so than the first. It's not like the second bomb was significantly more destructive than the first or caused significantly more widespread fallout.

                                The only thing I can come up with is that they were on their own timetable and were going to surrender at or around the same time they did regardless of the 2nd bomb being dropped. The only other thing I could see is they assumed we only had ONE bomb and after it was dropped we gave up our trump card? and I highly doubt that line of reasoning.

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                                  • webmasterchecks
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                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                    So, we should have just kept killing them off one at a time, and losing more of our soldiers while we waited?

                                    naw, but we could have tested our superweapon in a way so that they could have seen the potential destruction, without killing 80k civilians. then threaten it against a major city within 3 days unless surrender on our terms

                                    it would seem to put the moral burden on them for their civilian deaths+ i cant envision any change in our leverage or what the results would have been nor our exposure at the time

                                    im only thinking about it cause i bet a bunch of iraqis would like to bomb my town right now cause of the actions of the US
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                                      • vvq
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                                        #60
                                        we did warn them. brush up on your history.

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                                          • webmasterchecks
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                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by vvq
                                            we did warn them. brush up on your history.
                                            that was a warning we could have given them without the ace up our sleeve(bomb), it doesnt say surrender or we are going to start destroying cities


                                            Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
                                            it was not a specific warning, but a vague one, although it was a warning




                                            The Potsdam Declaration outlining terms of surrender for Japan:

                                            "...The might that now converges on Japan is immeasurably greater than that which, when applied to the resisting Nazis, necessarily laid waste to the lands, the industry and the method of life of the whole German people. The full application of our military power, backed by our resolve, will mean the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and just as inevitably the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland..."

                                            "...We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."
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                                              • webmasterchecks
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                                                #62
                                                im not the only one that thinks this way


                                                Other U.S. military officers who disagreed with the necessity of the bombings include General Douglas MacArthur (the highest-ranking officer in the Pacific Theater), Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy (the Chief of Staff to the President), General Carl Spaatz (commander of the U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific), and Brigadier General Carter Clarke (the military intelligence officer who prepared intercepted Japanese cables for U.S. officials),[64] and Admiral Ernest King, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, Undersecretary of the Navy Ralph A. Bard,[65] and Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet.[66]

                                                "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan." Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.[67]
                                                "The use of [the atomic bombs] at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender." Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to President Truman.[67]
                                                The United States Strategic Bombing Survey, after interviewing hundreds of Japanese civilian and military leaders after Japan surrendered, reported:

                                                "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."[68][67]
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                                                  • Phoenix
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                                                    #63
                                                    i want to know how the usa dropped pamphlets to warn the citizens

                                                    who said that anyway
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                                                      • Splum
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                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
                                                        im only thinking about it cause i bet a bunch of iraqis would like to bomb my town right now cause of the actions of the US
                                                        Uhh lol you are either really liberal, naive or young. Extremist muslims have wanted to bomb your town for decades now. Their initial hatred has nothing to do with the Iraq war.

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                                                          • Splum
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                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                            i want to know how the usa dropped pamphlets to warn the citizens who said that anyway
                                                            On August 8, 1945, leaflets were dropped and warnings were given to Japan by Radio Saipan. (The area of Nagasaki did not receive warning leaflets until August 10, though the leaflet campaign covering the whole country was over a month into its operations.)[22] An English translation of that leaflet is available at PBS.[23]
                                                            http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/truman/..._leaflets.html

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                                                              • Pleasurepays
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                i want to know how the usa dropped pamphlets to warn the citizens

                                                                who said that anyway
                                                                you get into an airplane with a box of pamphlets and enough fuel... taxi out onto the airstrip, throttle up on the engine, pull back on the yoke... get airborn, climb to cruising altitude... point the plane to japan.. once over the target, drop the pamphlets.

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                                                                  • Pleasurepays
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                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Splum
                                                                    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/truman/..._leaflets.html
                                                                    Leaflets dropped on cities in Japan warning civilians about the atomic bomb, dropped c. August 6, 1945

                                                                    TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
                                                                    America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

                                                                    We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

                                                                    We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

                                                                    Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.

                                                                    You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

                                                                    EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

                                                                    ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
                                                                    Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

                                                                    The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

                                                                    Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

                                                                    A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

                                                                    Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

                                                                    Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

                                                                    EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

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                                                                      • L-Pink
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                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by pornopete
                                                                        Japan struck military targets.
                                                                        Japan's cities were built around heavy military industrial centers and naval ports.

                                                                        How many military targets did Japan hit in Korean villages?

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                                                                          • Phoenix
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                                                                            • Nov 2002
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                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                            you get into an airplane with a box of pamphlets and enough fuel... taxi out onto the airstrip, throttle up on the engine, pull back on the yoke... get airborn, climb to cruising altitude... point the plane to japan.. once over the target, drop the pamphlets.

                                                                            mabe you are right...but im thinking...i dont thnk anyone was just flying over japan..lol

                                                                            i mean if they could...there wouldnt really be a war

                                                                            Japan is changing their histor books to say they didnt do anything wrong in WW2

                                                                            America and everyone else already wrote theirs to say they did no wrong

                                                                            just think about it
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                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by notabook

                                                                                The only thing I can come up with is that they were on their own timetable and were going to surrender at or around the same time they did regardless of the 2nd bomb being dropped.
                                                                                You sure like to make assumptions. Too bad you have absolutely no clue of the mindset of war-time Japan.

                                                                                Pretty convenient that their timetable suddenly synched up with ours after the second bomb was dropped.

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                                                                                  • Dirty Dane
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                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                    Leaflets dropped on cities in Japan warning civilians about the atomic bomb, dropped c. August 6, 1945

                                                                                    TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
                                                                                    America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

                                                                                    We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

                                                                                    We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

                                                                                    Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.

                                                                                    You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

                                                                                    EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

                                                                                    ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
                                                                                    Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

                                                                                    The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

                                                                                    Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

                                                                                    A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

                                                                                    Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

                                                                                    Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

                                                                                    EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
                                                                                    They could not read english, so that wouldn't help much.

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                                                                                      • baddog
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                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                        • 107089
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
                                                                                        naw, but we could have tested our superweapon in a way so that they could have seen the potential destruction, without killing 80k civilians. then threaten it against a major city within 3 days unless surrender on our terms

                                                                                        it would seem to put the moral burden on them for their civilian deaths+ i cant envision any change in our leverage or what the results would have been nor our exposure at the time

                                                                                        im only thinking about it cause i bet a bunch of iraqis would like to bomb my town right now cause of the actions of the US
                                                                                        I don't know if you are stupid, or just don't know how to debate, or can't admit when you are wrong.

                                                                                        Which would it be?

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                                                                                          • Splum
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                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            I smell anti-Americanism in this thread.

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                                                                                              • Phoenix
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                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                                                They could not read english, so that wouldn't help much.
                                                                                                there is no way anyone dropped any warning
                                                                                                look for japanese survivors and their story

                                                                                                do they speak of leaflet s written in japanese warning of imminent death
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                                                                                                  • webmasterchecks
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                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                                    Uhh lol you are either really liberal, naive or young. Extremist muslims have wanted to bomb your town for decades now. Their initial hatred has nothing to do with the Iraq war.
                                                                                                    please note how i purposefully worded my post to avoid mentioning recent events such as the iraq war

                                                                                                    Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
                                                                                                    im only thinking about it cause i bet a bunch of iraqis would like to bomb my town right now cause of the actions of the US
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                                                                                                      • Splum
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                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                                                        They could not read english, so that wouldn't help much.
                                                                                                        Oh come on I am sure the leaflets were in Japanese, they also broadcast the message over Radio Saipan which Japanese language so either way they knew it was coming.

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                                                                                                          • Phoenix
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                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                                            I smell anti-Americanism in this thread.
                                                                                                            anti establishment


                                                                                                            not anti-american....its all the same people at the top anyway
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                                                                                                              • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                mabe you are right...but im thinking...i dont thnk anyone was just flying over japan..lol

                                                                                                                i mean if they could...there wouldnt really be a war

                                                                                                                Japan is changing their histor books to say they didnt do anything wrong in WW2

                                                                                                                America and everyone else already wrote theirs to say they did no wrong

                                                                                                                just think about it
                                                                                                                ok... you have always seemed like a pretty nice guy, so i'll be easy and subtle and try my best to be gentle. there are two HUGE clues in this conversation as to whether or not the US was flying over japan. ;)

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                                                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                    i want to know how the usa dropped pamphlets to warn the citizens

                                                                                                                    who said that anyway
                                                                                                                    Brad, I know you are smarter than that. Leaflets are frequently dropped from planes as warnings to citizens to leave or die.

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                                                                                                                      • Phoenix
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                        ok... you have always seemed like a pretty nice guy, so i'll be easy and subtle and try my best to be gentle. there are two HUGE clues in this conversation as to whether or not the US was flying over japan. ;)
                                                                                                                        huge secret mission just to get those planes close enough to japan to drop the bombs...no room for error..just enough gas to get back
                                                                                                                        I can buy they might have sent radio signals warning them something was coming...but i doubt they did that either.

                                                                                                                        it was WAR
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                                                                                                                          • Splum
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                            anti establishment not anti-american....its all the same people at the top anyway
                                                                                                                            Ahhh I got it you are an anarchist?
                                                                                                                            http://www.taylor.org/~argus/all/loc...iller_punk.JPG

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                                                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                                anti establishment


                                                                                                                                not anti-american....its all the same people at the top anyway
                                                                                                                                which is America, and you are always against America . . . just admit it

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                                                                                                                                  • Phoenix
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                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                    Brad, I know you are smarter than that. Leaflets are frequently dropped from planes as warnings to citizens to leave or die.
                                                                                                                                    I just dont think it is very probable

                                                                                                                                    im going to do some research...and look up some japanese survivors stories

                                                                                                                                    then we shall see if they were warned
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                                                                                                                                      • Splum
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                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                                        I just dont think it is very probable im going to do some research...and look up some japanese survivors stories then we shall see if they were warned
                                                                                                                                        Yes because we all know the Japanese dont lie, only Americans. I am pretty sure survivors are not going to like America that much to say we did anything noble at all before the bombs dropped. Use your head.
                                                                                                                                        Last edited by Splum; 02-23-2007, 07:47 PM.

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                                                                                                                                          • baddog
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                                            huge secret mission just to get those planes close enough to japan to drop the bombs...no room for error..just enough gas to get back
                                                                                                                                            I can buy they might have sent radio signals warning them something was coming...but i doubt they did that either.

                                                                                                                                            it was WAR
                                                                                                                                            and it was the USA, they had to be out to kill all the ciovilians they could . . . right?

                                                                                                                                            And do you think we only flew over Japan twice?

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                                                                                                                                              • Dirty Dane
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                What would be the point of dropping leaflets?

                                                                                                                                                People would need to get away in time, and no way they would risk giving the Japanese military that time to prepare shooting down the plane from air or artillery- the first atomic bomb ever carried on a plane

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                                                                                                                                                  • Phoenix
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                                                                                    Ahhh I got it you are an anarchist?
                                                                                                                                                    http://www.taylor.org/~argus/all/loc...iller_punk.JPG
                                                                                                                                                    haha nice pic

                                                                                                                                                    no...i just speak my mind when i tink things dont add up

                                                                                                                                                    leave it at that

                                                                                                                                                    Baddog...youknow i love the USA
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                                                                                                                                                      • baddog
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                                                                                                        What would be the point of dropping leaflets?

                                                                                                                                                        People would need to get away in time, and no way they would risk giving the Japanese military that time to prepare shooting down the plane from air or artillery- the first atomic bomb ever carried on a plane
                                                                                                                                                        another idiot that thinks Hiroshima was our first flight over japan

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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                            I don't know if you are stupid, or just don't know how to debate, or can't admit when you are wrong.

                                                                                                                                                            Which would it be?
                                                                                                                                                            im disappointed in you, its been civil until now, your weaknesses are showing

                                                                                                                                                            lets say it was up to you to end the war and you had just gotten this neat new weapon, are you saying that the best plan of action would be the one that was taken?
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                                                                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Phoenix

                                                                                                                                                                Baddog...youknow i love the USA
                                                                                                                                                                you enjoy our $$, buit that is about it

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Splum
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Weee I am in alot of multipage threads lately!

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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                        I don't know if you are stupid, or just don't know how to debate, or can't admit when you are wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                        Which would it be?

                                                                                                                                                                        besides, im not really set on my position, i have an open mind and this is a discussion, asshole
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                                                                            huge secret mission just to get those planes close enough to japan to drop the bombs...no room for error..just enough gas to get back
                                                                                                                                                                            I can buy they might have sent radio signals warning them something was coming...but i doubt they did that either.

                                                                                                                                                                            it was WAR
                                                                                                                                                                            Dude... get real. The US had flown several bombing missions over Japan by this point. Their air defenses were non existent, thier air force obliterated. they had already bombed Tokyo

                                                                                                                                                                            Wow. all you have to do is read the timeline of events. there is nothing to debate here.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Dirty Dane
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                another idiot that thinks Hiroshima was our first flight over japan
                                                                                                                                                                                Have I ever said that, and whats your point?

                                                                                                                                                                                C'mon, the hole operation was top secret and they were even worried that Ebola Gay could lift off. We are not talking about modern missiles, so no way they would give them time to defend themself. I think anyone with common sense of military stragety will agree.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by THEMASKEDRIDER
                                                                                                                                                                                    besides, im not really set on my position, i have an open mind and this is a discussion, asshole
                                                                                                                                                                                    so you are arguing just to argue . . . okay, as long as I understand that you are just bored and don't really mean any of this idiotic stuff you are epousing.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Kind of like Phoenix and his spacemen

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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                                                                                                                        huge secret mission just to get those planes close enough to japan to drop the bombs...no room for error..just enough gas to get back
                                                                                                                                                                                        I can buy they might have sent radio signals warning them something was coming...but i doubt they did that either.

                                                                                                                                                                                        it was WAR
                                                                                                                                                                                        In the battle for Stalingrad both sides dropped propaganda leaflets on a regular basis. Maybe Japanese citizens were told to ignore them, but they were dropped, their government was warned.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                                                                                                                                            Have I ever said that, and whats your point?
                                                                                                                                                                                            I think I was pretty clear.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                phoenix

                                                                                                                                                                                                About an hour before the bombing, the Japanese early warning radar net detected the approach of some American aircraft headed for the southern part of Japan. The alert had been given and radio broadcasting stopped in many cities, among them Hiroshima. The planes approached the coast at a very high altitude. At nearly 08:00, the radar operator in Hiroshima determined that the number of planes coming in was very small?probably not more than three?and the air raid alert was lifted (to conserve fuel and aircraft, the Japanese had decided not to intercept small formations).

                                                                                                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.answers.com/topic/atomic-...a-and-nagasaki

                                                                                                                                                                                                    so looks like no warning to the japanese people...until after the hiroshima bomb

                                                                                                                                                                                                    but then also no warnings for the people of NAgasaki where the second bomb hit

                                                                                                                                                                                                    i mean ifyou can trust this info...id look deeper but...the history buffs here will know for sure wont you guys....i mean it said it in your history books? is that where you learnt that you warned the people first?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    keepin mind this thread isnt..why didnt japan warn its people
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                                        so you are arguing just to argue . . . okay, as long as I understand that you are just bored and don't really mean any of this idiotic stuff you are epousing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kind of like Phoenix and his spacemen
                                                                                                                                                                                                        no, im making valid points that you are calling stupid because you dont have a good argument against them

                                                                                                                                                                                                        now answer my question

                                                                                                                                                                                                        lets say it was up to you to end the war and you had just gotten this neat new weapon, are you saying that the best plan of action would be the one that was taken?
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