100 misguided defenders of child rape
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You must be slow or just just plain stupid. 99 percent of the kids in chat rooms are not trolling for sex. They are just chatting with people they think are their age. These adults go into chat rooms that are for children and pretend to be younger then they really are. For you to blame a child because a pervert is hitting on them shows what a scum bag you really are. Let's blame the kids instead of the adults who know better. Nice attitude there loser.Comment
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I've watched some of these shows, and the chatrooms they have setup have VERY VERY VERY suggestive names. So much so that I wouldn't repeat on here what some of them were even called.
Please, answer me this, if you have a chatroom setup named something like:
"Dadsanddaughters"
What do you think is going to go on in there? The chatroom names they use are EXTREMELY suggestive. Look at some of the stories on www.perverted-justice.com.
Plus, can you name what % of these guys were found to have any illegal content on their PC? That is the number one thing they look for when they look for a pedo. In only a few cases I can remember have they found illegal materials on the home pc.https://3-veo.com/
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Nice response you gave her. And no, she's right, that prosecutor guy who killed himself was in his 50's and was posing as a 26 yr old to the decoy.
But to JaneB, I disagree with the notion that there isn't a problem out there with the kids themselves that needs to be addressed. They aren't all the little innocent darlings you'd like to believe they are. It's not about blaming the kids for this, it's about letting them know that the time they spend chatting away on their bedroom computer isn't as safe as probably most of them think it is. The kids that ARE chatting back and encouraging sex talk online really need a big wakeup call in my opinion. If you think there aren't actual kids out there inviting older guys over for some fun while the parents are away, think again. I bet it's more common that you or perhaps anyone here even dreams it is.
Nailing the creeps who pursue them is only part of the solution. A good start, yes, but kids need to learn that it's not okay at their age to be flirting with disaster.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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serves him right. those fuckers should die.
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We don't get this shit in Australia, this show sounds insane
The closest I've seen on our TV is maybe "Cheaters" which is pretty tame compared to what I hear here..
I want trashy tv damnit!Comment
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I fully agree with websiex. You guys making fun of him and twisting his words to sound like a guy who supports pedophiles are morons. You guys bitch and whine about what the government is trying to do to you, and how it's unconstitutional... well so is this.... I am all for getting these sick fucks off the streets, but airing it on national tv is going a bit far.
In some peoples eyes, us making 18 year olds look like they are 15 in their pics *cough* littleapril *cough* is just as bad... do we want them to make a show based on busting people promoting her? would that be fair?Comment
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plain and simple are the people who they catch intop underage boys and girls? YES! So they deserve everything that comes to em end of fucking story, think if they would hit your kid up or your little brother or sister.
These fuckers are the lowest scum on earth the prob is so maybe lawyers and DA's seem to be part of the scum so these guys get no or little jail time.
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Anyone can sue. Winning is a different story.
I have to disagree with CD on this being a problem with the kids. It's a problem with the PARENTS. Stop using the computer (and TV/video games/etc.) as a babysitter! Don't let kids use the computer unless you're in the room and WATCH what they're saying/doing.
But still those yelling "entrapment" haven't answered my question: Are you saying if a 13 year old struck up a convo with you on ICQ and begged and pleaded with you to come over to his/her house for a night of drinking and sex you'd show up?!!Comment
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in the dateline show that doesnt usually seem to be the case. you always hear the guys say in the chats that they should be careful, that they could get into trouble because they are so much older ect. besides the guy who lied saying he was 26 (which still isn't much betteris 26 and 13 ok??) i can't recall a single one i saw where the guy pretended to be a teenager himself. i used to spend some time in chat room 5 years back or so and there were girls there who were 13-15 who would lie about their age say they were 20 and talk sexual with older guys, and even ones who weren't lieing about their ages trying to engage in sexual chat with older guys. i saw the cnn glenn beck show about a girl who purposely went into chat rooms to find older guys for sex. they are out there, it does happen and more than parents would like to think.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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You know I did mention and include parents in at least one previous post here, and did assign some responsiblity to them.
But part of the the equation IS the kids peachy, sorry. Why is everyone so afraid to shed some light their way? If more kids were better aware and educated (and yes, MONITORED better by their parents) there would be less of a problem out there. It's pretty naive to think that kids play no part in this problem. They are the targets, and certainly the targets can learn to better protect themselves along with getting the parents to wake up. Why can't we have both?
If you had a 12 yr old daughter and caught her messing around with chat rooms and discovered there was sex talk and flirting going on, likely with older guys, you're saying you wouldn't raise the roof at her? I know I would. I'm sure any good parent would, so obvioiusly there should be some concern with what the kids are doing and what they are aware of. If you say yes, that you would raise the roof at her, then obviously enough of the problem rests with her, which means you and I agree.
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Yes, the "it's unconstitutional" argument is pure bunk.
And I'll say this... Anyone, any high-up official or legal entitity etc, who would make the move to bring a lawsuit with the aim of shutting the show down, those people leading such a move would aquire the label of supporting the predators.
I woudn't want that label, that stigma.
But it's been explained six ways to next week as to why the show and the process employed to catch the perps is NOT unconstitutional, and is not unlike the methods used to catch johns trolling for hookers etc. In my mind, the show serves to raise awareness out there, in parents, and in kids, which is a good thing.
To argue that the show should be cancelled and shut down, you are always going to have people saying you are supporting the pedos, that's just the way it is. People feel too strongly about this issue and are sick and tired of this shit going on. I'm betting a lot of people that watch the program for the first time are scared to death once they see just how rampant and widespread the problem is.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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I'm not defending child molestation; I am defending the person's rights as a citizen of the United States. There is no reason for these people to be on national television. In my opinion, it is an affront on everyone's rights, and a disgrace to the criminal justice system.
If they want to do this... set up the house, have police there - charge the solicitors, and let them have their trials. Setting up this entire national television show and forcing them to save face on national TV (which makes them disregard their rights possibly) is a disgrace.
If they want to arrest these people, arrest them and take them to court; there really isn't any reason to be parading them in front of the nation for television ratings.
Another thing to mention that is bad about this show is the fact that they drag all of these people in to the town... Imagine if you lived on the street where this is filmed, and 50-200 sex solicitors were across the street from where you and your children lived; then would all of you defending this show hold the same position? I doubt it.Comment
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Sorry, it isn't. I just touched on several posts from others that laid it all out much more thoroughly dude.
In my view it is your argument that is flawed, no need for you to go rehashing all the crap you've already typed ad nauseum. But, you're obviously hell-bent on doing so anyway, so have at it....
But just know that I don't see you changing anyone's mind, so how pointless is it?
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You sure wouldn't want to live in MY town. We show pictures, addresses and names of repeat DUI offenders. Child sex predators would certainly make the front page as well as the local TV cable station.
I guess we need to get rid of all those mug shots shown on the TV, in newspapers, magazines, etc. as well as all the reports on these arrests
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Those people have been proved guilty in a court of law, I think thats his point.You sure wouldn't want to live in MY town. We show pictures, addresses and names of repeat DUI offenders. Child sex predators would certainly make the front page as well as the local TV cable station.
I guess we need to get rid of all those mug shots shown on the TV, in newspapers, magazines, etc. as well as all the reports on these arrestsComment
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Your argument is flawd on so many levels, but I won't bother making a "next" post for you. Everything you just said has already been debunked and dismissed elsewhere in this thread.
And if they did such a show and set up a sting on my street I would be thrilled. It's not like after it's over the pedos are going to be buying real estate here. More likely they'll never want to come around this neighborhood ever again, lol.
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Do you ever watch the news? See when they arrest people and they show their mug shot? You're in ATL - how many times has the guy who shot up the courthouse been on TV? How many news articles have been written about it? Hell, the chick who turned him in has written a book. Has he been proven guilty in a court of law?
Please people. These are CHILD SEXUAL PREDATORS and you're trying to give them more rights than the guy who robbed the local bank for $2K.
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its important to point out that "being found guilty in a court of law" is also irrelevant in the context of the show. once a person is ARRESTED for the offense... they are fair game, its a matter of public record and everyone is free to report on it.Do you ever watch the news? See when they arrest people and they show their mug shot? You're in ATL - how many times has the guy who shot up the courthouse been on TV? How many news articles have been written about it? Hell, the chick who turned him in has written a book. Has he been proven guilty in a court of law?
Please people. These are CHILD SEXUAL PREDATORS and you're trying to give them more rights than the guy who robbed the local bank for $2K.
its absolutely NO DIFFERENT than some serial rapist being arrested or anyone else... you see them on TV, you see them being arrested, you see them in orange jump suits being transported to court appearances, their identity is made known the moment they are charged. "being proven guilty in a court of law" plays no role whatsoever in the news.Comment
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Once again do you not know how to read I said I think thats what he meant.Tunnel vision is a terrible thing. My actual words where:
Those people have been proved guilty in a court of law, I think thats his point.
tell me how Im defending predators with that statement?????Last edited by tony286; 02-22-2007, 10:19 AM.Comment
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Ok, since I made the 'unconstitutional' remark, I assume you directed that comment at me. Now, I never said it was unconstitutional; I said that it is arguably unconstitutional. This means that there is no case law, but it could possibly be changed in the future.
(THIS IS ALL MY OPINION)
What I would argue is that something like this has never been done in the United States - with the mass media (NBC), a vigilante group, and government agents all working together to pubically humilate American citizens.
I'll begin with the possible Fifth Amendment problems surrounding this show.
In 1966, there was a landmark United States case called Miranda v. Arizona, which states that a person must be read his or her rights before any possible self-incriminating comments could be made by that person.
Now, on that show - the police DO read the person his rights -BUT- NBCs cameras are STILL ROLLING while the person is being interrogated. So, basically this guy is sitting there knowing the entire nation (+friends/family) will be watching him get drilled about solicitating minors online for sex.
Ok, so you'll say, "Well, he should demand a lawyer and get his day in court."
Well, I'd have to argue that the mental anguish of his family, friends, and the entire nation seeing this will make him start to try to defend himself (any human in a situation like this would). At this point, he is in a "mass media panic" and disregards his rights, so he will futilely try to save face by making up a story about not going for sex, or whatever the story.
At that moment when he is trying to save face, he is also giving the state evidence against him for the trial. Basically, he is taken to be interrogated right after Chris Hansen tells him he is on national television, and the guy is rightfully still upset and panicking, so he is just blabbing anything that can possibly make him look good (he doesn't realize he is already sooooo fucked).
So, the state gets all of this information against him while he is in this unique position of being interrogated in front of his friends, family, and the nation. There hasn't been anything like this before that I know of, so it still needs to be addressed in the courts.
To sum up what I just said, it may be arguable that the confessions are achieved through coercion, coercion by the international audience watching. I'll coin it "insaniae via populi". (Madness by means of the people.)
(This probably won't be ever be addressed.)Comment
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Miranda doesn't apply to laypeople, lol. It's a right given to suspects already in police custody. I can ask someone anything I want and they can answer me or not. But if they do, it's not protected under their Miranda rights.Comment
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Now, the issue of being a supporter of pedophilia.
To begin, just because I am supporting the rights of these people does not mean I that I support pedophilia. All it means is that I think this show should be looked at for possible violations of the rights of citizens.
You may think that some people deserve rights, and others don't deserve rights. That is where you and I differ; I believe everyone - a rapist, a murderer, a child molestor, a terrorist - everyone and anyone that is a citizen of the United States, deserves the rights granted to them.
I also believe that these rights should be respected, and attempts to beat them should be looked at closely. I feel that the entire mass media situation with this particular show needs to be looked at, but that does not make me a supporter of pedophilia.Comment
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Oh really let me begin:
Me: Those people have been proved guilty in a court of law, I think thats his point
You: Do you ever watch the news? See when they arrest people and they show their mug shot? You're in ATL - how many times has the guy who shot up the courthouse been on TV? How many news articles have been written about it? Hell, the chick who turned him in has written a book. Has he been proven guilty in a court of law?
Please people. These are CHILD SEXUAL PREDATORS and you're trying to give them more rights than the guy who robbed the local bank for $2K.
Then I say because I wasnt defending anyone constitutional rights: I dont understand that one everyone knows he did it but its going to cost 1.2 mil for his defense.
You: Jeepers, dude. You just contradicted yourself. So it's OK to show coverage on a shooter, but not a child predator. In fact, the shooter shouldn't even have a trial, and you're screaming for rights for sex predators, lol. Brilliant.
Tell me please where Im screaming for predator rights?Last edited by tony286; 02-22-2007, 10:33 AM.Comment
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You've said all this in this thread already, and it has all been effectively destroyed point by point. Got anything new?
You may make a good defense lawyer one day, you certainly do think like one. Defense lawyers are great when the person they're defending is actually innocent or there are extenuating circumstances worth arguing for. But when the perp's guilt isn't even a question as it is here, when what they were attempting to do is so heinous it's unimagineable to most people, well... in this scenario you defense lawyer types are nearly as despicable as the predators themselves.
Try arguing that in an actual court, I guarantee you there would be a backlash against you and you would be labeled as defending the pedos. That's all I'm saying, and it's right. People are already saying it on this thread, think of what the whole of society would say if you took this to a courtroom.
Those poor pedos and their personal anquish. lolLast edited by CDSmith; 02-22-2007, 10:37 AM.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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You're arguing Miranda rights when it's not applicable in this situation. Miranda applies AFTER the suspect is in custody and it applies to questions the police are asking. AFTER. Not before. NBC is talking to these guys before they are arrested AND they aren't the police. Anything they say AFTER they have been arrested they are saying AFTER they've been read their Miranda rights.
I'm not even sure why you'd bring up Miranda in this situation.Comment
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